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Well, it is hard to find great places in a world of restrictions( Financial and/or political). If it would be easier , I would work and live in Vancouver or Melbourne (If somebody gets me a visa) , earn the same money as here in zurich (after tax), but life is not simple as it could be.
Shopping all over the world becomes the same (no matter where you are, Hong Kong or London), don't like shopping very much.
Zurich is a nice place, office from the town work very fast , taxes are low, weather is quiet ok over the year (don't like the summer heat very much, can't sleep when it is boiling), Zurich has a lot of concerts to offer, if they don't play here, i will travel there (no matter , because of the money you earn ).
Bahnhofstrasse is not the middle of the world, if you don't mind, don't go there, it is same with Rue Faubourg de St. Honore in Paris or 5th Avenue in New York).
It is all about possibilities, make your time here in zurich a good one.
Travel around the world , if you got the time and the money, visit places
like Big Island in Hawaii or Lizard Island/Australia.
Melbourne Is sooooo the place to be. We just got back from there and it would have to be my favourite place on Earth just above............ Yep Zurich !!!

Love going to concerts, festivals, the lake, snowboarding, hiking in the mountains, weekends away to countries and places I would only otherwise read about....

Get amongst it people. Pack a backpack, charge your camera, fill the car up or buy your half tax and just get amongst it...

In the words of my main man 'Joe Dirt', 'Ya just gotta keep on keepin on'
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Re: Fed up with Zurich

If you had spent 8 chaotic, stressful years living near Elephant & Castle, commuting daily across London on the Northern Line, and then suddenly found yourself living alongside Lake Zurich, with snowy mountains visible from your apartment windows, you might feel unusually well-disposed towards life in Switzerland.

If you came here from some rival idyll in Southern California or France or Canada or Ireland (er, or Melbourne), you might feel short-changed.

I should remind myself of this more often. It helps to explain why I feel like I've been released from the prison that others seem to feel they have just entered.
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If you had spent 8 chaotic, stressful years living near Elephant & Castle, commuting daily across London on the Northern Line, and then suddenly found yourself living alongside Lake Zurich, with snowy mountains visible from your apartment windows, you might feel unusually well-disposed towards life in Switzerland.

If you came here from some rival idyll in Southern California or France or Canada or Ireland (er, or Melbourne), you might feel short-changed.

I should remind myself of this more often. It helps to explain why I feel like I've been released from the prison that others seem to feel they have just entered.
Ah! I came from Switzerland before 4 years studying in Elephant & Castle, then 3 more between Bethnal Green & Camden and I had to return to my beautiful Switzeland! It would be hard to go back right now
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Fed up with Zurich?

Try the Oldmanc method to rejuvenate your batteries:
Get on a train to Ticino.
Lugano or Locarno.

It's always worked
Yep worked for me, I had one night in Locarno and felt like I had a week away, very refreshing!!

I love Zurich, but I don't really shop there,just love the atmosphere,so many different people and languages.Hang out at Tiefenbrunnen rather than the city and you will see a different slant to the place.
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If you had spent 8 chaotic, stressful years living near Elephant & Castle, commuting daily across London on the Northern Line, and then suddenly found yourself living alongside Lake Zurich, with snowy mountains visible from your apartment windows, you might feel unusually well-disposed towards life in Switzerland.

If you came here from some rival idyll in Southern California or France or Canada or Ireland (er, or Melbourne), you might feel short-changed.

I should remind myself of this more often. It helps to explain why I feel like I've been released from the prison that others seem to feel they have just entered.
when we decided to leave our stifling life in german province we were looking at london (my most beloved metropole) and zurich. london didn't work out and after an initial disappointment I fell in love with our new easy, orderly and profoundly relaxing life in zurich.
which doesn't mean that at some stage later in life I won't be missing a bit of action and be ready for london "chaos"
but at that point the children will be out the house and it will be way easier to organise life for 2 than for 4 of us with all the schooling issues etc.
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Re: Fed up with Zurich

oh, and I agree that shopping and eating out in zurich can't be done on a regular basis.
we are often in italy, that's were I did most of shopping even while living in germany anyway. I just still haven't learned to appreciate the "nordic sense of fashion" I'm afraid
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After hundreds of trips into Zurich, it finally dawned on me: I am fed up with the place (I moved out into the countryside long ago). After finally finding a ridiculously expensive parking spot, paying exorbitant prices for mediocre food and lousy service, browsing overpriced shops (why would anybody actually buy something on Bahnhofstr.?) walking through the same sterile streets over and over again, then coming back home a couple hundred francs poorer with little to show for it, I ask myself: why did I even bother? Anyone else ever feel like that?
I feel exactly the same way. I work just off bahnhostrasse and I hate it. I sometimes wonder around during lunch break and I cannot even find a decent sandwich. Every time I got out to a restaurant I feel ripped off, not only because of the crazy prices but especially for the poor service and bad quality.

You used the best word to describe it: sterile. Although parts of the city are a bit better, the place is in general pretty boring and with no caracter.

There are some positive things about the city, however if you like going out and good food this is probably the worse place on earth.
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You used the best word to describe it: sterile. Although parts of the city are a bit better, the place is in general pretty boring and with no caracter.
Walking home from work the other day, I saw two tuk tuks and a unicyclist drive by in the space of 20 meters. There's character down here, just not as much as some other cities


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There are some positive things about the city, however if you like going out and good food this is probably the worse place on earth.
ok, can't argue with that. But I do love the small little places you find where you quickly become a regular and it feels like a small-town restaurant where they know you by name.
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I feel exactly the same way. I work just off bahnhostrasse and I hate it. I sometimes wonder around during lunch break and I cannot even find a decent sandwich. Every time I got out to a restaurant I feel ripped off, not only because of the crazy prices but especially for the poor service and bad quality.

You used the best word to describe it: sterile. Although parts of the city are a bit better, the place is in general pretty boring and with no caracter.

There are some positive things about the city, however if you like going out and good food this is probably the worse place on earth.
Ever thought of taking your lunch ?

As for Zurich being the worst place on earth for going out and good food ????

I mean hello ????
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Re: Fed up with Zurich

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We've lived in the Zurich area for 5 months, and I have to say I like it. I have a GA, I ride the train, I don't find it especially crowded, compared to say NYC or Washington. Transportation is so reliable here by comparison to the US or Holland. The city is small, really, and has overpriced bits for sure, but it also has funky bits that aren't heinous. After living in suburban sprawl hell in the US, I rather like being in a more dense place. But then, I've always been a city girl.

We do live outside the city - in Winterthur - and my husband works in Oerlikon, so I think we have a nice balance.
I would echo these sentiments, more or less. Zurich is a small town in comparison to, say, Paris or New York. Being a city girl, I'm used to crowds and don't mind them so much. I like a place that bustles with life It's true, certain places in the city can be a bit overcrowded, but it still pales in comparison to rush hour on the IRT.

Overall, I find it pretty easy to navigate and get around quickly, thanks to the tram system. I also enjoy walking around the streets, window shopping, exploring the old city, walking on the lake, along the quais, and I love the views of the alps on a clear day. All of these are cheap/free pleasures.

But, yes, the prices are a sore point, regardless of how much one is paid. It's presumptuous to assert that just because one makes a "good salary" here, they shouldn't "mind" paying exorbitant prices and just shut up What constitutes a "good salary" is subjective. Also, that individual may have obligations beyond housing, utilities, food, healthcare, savings and other necessities and has to live within a strict budget.
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After finally finding a ridiculously expensive parking spot, paying exorbitant prices for mediocre food and lousy service, browsing overpriced shops (why would anybody actually buy something on Bahnhofstr.?) walking through the same sterile streets over and over again, then coming back home a couple hundred francs poorer with little to show for it
It's your own fault for being so shallow and just knowing the Bahnhofstrasse. Zürich is a lot more bigger than that and has some hidden gems for shopping.

Better not visit Basel or foreign big cities.
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Re: Fed up with Zurich

Thanks for your vast wisdom.
I have lived here 25 years, including in an around Zurich for many years.
I have probably walked along the lake when you were still in diapers.
Yea, guess I have to explore a few streets beyond Bahnhofstrasse.
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Better not visit Basel or foreign big cities.
Why not?
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Yep worked for me, I had one night in Locarno and felt like I had a week away, very refreshing!!

I love Zurich, but I don't really shop there,just love the atmosphere,so many different people and languages.Hang out at Tiefenbrunnen rather than the city and you will see a different slant to the place.
Darcy
Tiefenbrunnen IS part of the City of Zürich. It is something of any city of a bit of size that different areas are heavily different. But when wanting to get out, and going south, I go across the border to Milano or Como or Varese
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Why do you? I have been here many years and keep discovering many side streets and romantic and beautiful hidden gems.
yes, thats it! to be/wander around in zurich or to live in zurich is 2 pair of shoes. and another issue might be the language. i mean: if you dont speak it, how much information goes by unnoticed? who can read a german written blog about zurich, eg. music, clubs? labels, fashion? cafes? restaurants? who can google in german what he/she is looking for and find it? the usual suspects, the stuff that all do advice because they dont know any better are pretty soon used up and you miss theses little notes, adverts placed on the streets telling you what else is on. kind of grape vine-thing.

for sure if i was living in Warsaw...id go where all the tourists go as i cant understand any polish lingo. where i understand the signs telling me everything, in the touristy places, following the mob. last week my GF (here now since 6month only) lead me off from Stauffacher into Luther/Bäckerstrasse. i have never been there before and we had a fab dinner in that "hot stone restaurant" (dunno the name) and it was lovely! these 2 streets besides do have interesting shops i will check out next time im around. and it is a typical thing: i was walking past there for 5 years and now have a new spot to examine.

so karl...maybe you are an exception as in 25 years... i can imagine you have lived up this place, and maybe some of my interests dont excite you anymore. and thats ok. but zurich has much to offer, you need to look for that beyond city center/kreis 1/niederdorf.
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Re: Fed up with Zurich

I work for myself and do not get a Swiss salary... I did realize though that my partner who is high educated could only work as a cleaner (Swiss say: be happy you are allowed to live in paradise and earn CHF 3300 pm) yeah right, with a uni degree doing the shittiest jobs and then have to say thank you to them is kind of pathetic... now my partner is very happy to have left and we both rather pay double tax somewhere else and earn netto the same with half the cost of living... I open another bottle of champagne to celebrate leaving hillbillie land! BTW the Swiss did love our money for sure, they just did not like us and indeed Zurich still regrets that I took all my money with me.
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I work for myself and do not get a Swiss salary... I did realize though that my partner who is high educated could only work as a cleaner (Swiss say: be happy you are allowed to live in paradise and earn CHF 3300 pm) yeah right, with a uni degree doing the shittiest jobs and then have to say thank you to them is kind of pathetic... now my partner is very happy to have left and we both rather pay double tax somewhere else and earn netto the same with half the cost of living... I open another bottle of champagne to celebrate leaving hillbillie land! BTW the Swiss did love our money for sure, they just did not like us and indeed Zurich still regrets that I took all my money with me.
Believe me; no one in Zurich is missing your 3300 chf per month. Good luck with your new life.
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I guess what I meant to say is that, aside from the high prices and poor service, whenever I go into Zurich I have this feeling that there is no "there" there. You can walk around for hours, and never seem to find "Zurich". It's like an overly done up Christmas tree with lots of polished ornaments, but little character. Kind of like that Swarovsky christmas tree at the Hauptbahnhof, hundreds of icy shiney glassy baubles all looking the same, and the tree surrounded by bullet proof glass...There are many cities that as soon as you are there you really feel it.. like wow I'm in New York, or London, Paris, Hong Kong, Edinburgh, San Francisco, Mumbai, Rome, Prague, etc....the character of those cities just leaps out and soaks into your skin.

Zurich is "pretty", but just leaves me cold. I guess Luzerne is the only Swiss city that has a bit of "there" there IMHO.
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Zürich is the Consumers temple-and for absolution they have to pay a high price!


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After hundreds of trips into Zurich, it finally dawned on me: I am fed up with the place (I moved out into the countryside long ago). After finally finding a ridiculously expensive parking spot, paying exorbitant prices for mediocre food and lousy service, browsing overpriced shops (why would anybody actually buy something on Bahnhofstr.?) walking through the same sterile streets over and over again, then coming back home a couple hundred francs poorer with little to show for it, I ask myself: why did I even bother? Anyone else ever feel like that?
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I work for myself and do not get a Swiss salary... I did realize though that my partner who is high educated could only work as a cleaner (Swiss say: be happy you are allowed to live in paradise and earn CHF 3300 pm) yeah right, with a uni degree doing the shittiest jobs and then have to say thank you to them is kind of pathetic... now my partner is very happy to have left and we both rather pay double tax somewhere else and earn netto the same with half the cost of living... I open another bottle of champagne to celebrate leaving hillbillie land! BTW the Swiss did love our money for sure, they just did not like us and indeed Zurich still regrets that I took all my money with me.
> WHY could your partner only work as a cleaner ?
> WHY could your partner not achieve something with that degree ?
> WHO exactly did love your money ?
> WHO did not like you ? and WHY exactly ?
> WHO, who really regrets that you departed with your money ?

just wondering
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