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Old 03.05.2012, 15:39
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What's the difference between Swiss-bashing and criticizing the Swiss?

Someone please tell me because as soon as anyone mentions anything bad about the Swiss out come the usual suspects to groan or bad-rep you. They are certainly not the kind of reactions you'd expect from the neutral Swiss, or is that what you like to think you should be known as?

I don't mind being constructively criticized for doing something English that many people don't like but...here....it's like you are not allowed to even say small things you don't like about our hosts without a nasty reaction (off and on this forum).

So, after all I have read on this forum and the reaction to slight criticsms, what is the difference between Swiss-bashing and critical comment, enlighten me please?
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Old 03.05.2012, 16:01
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Re: What's the difference between Swiss-bashing and criticizing the Swiss?

I think it's similar to the difference between criticising people with AG plates and bashing people with AG plates. Neither really takes into account the fact that not all drivers with AG plates are terrible.

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Re: What's the difference between Swiss-bashing and criticizing the Swiss?

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I think it's similar to the difference between criticising people with AG plates and bashing people with AG plates. Neither really takes into account the fact that not all drivers with AG plates are terrible.
Smart answer but it doesn't really answer my question... ...although it does bring me to a conclusion that even non-Swiss here are taken in by this 'we are just better, that's it attitude' ..
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Old 03.05.2012, 20:40
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Re: What's the difference between Swiss-bashing and criticizing the Swiss?

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Someone please tell me because as soon as anyone mentions anything bad about the Swiss out come the usual suspects to groan or bad-rep you.
Usually balanced by the other 'usual suspects' muttering thanks.
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Re: What's the difference between Swiss-bashing and criticizing the Swiss?

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I think it's similar to the difference between criticising people with AG plates and bashing people with AG plates. Neither really takes into account the fact that not all drivers with AG plates are terrible.
I generally tend to think that generalizations are generally silly, but I have yet to come across a car with AG plates that did not have a horrible driver behind the wheel. same is true of SZ.

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Old 03.05.2012, 20:50
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I generally tend to think that generalizations are generally silly, but I have yet to come across a car with AG plates that did not have a horrible driver behind the wheel. same is true of SZ.

I have to work in the area for now & like you, I can cantonise the worst kind of...shall I say it..swiss people. They are such a rude breed.
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Old 03.05.2012, 21:07
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Re: What's the difference between Swiss-bashing and criticizing the Swiss?

I think it can sometimes be difficult to distinguish between generalizing and forming opinions based on observations. I do often struggle with my own instinct to generalize, because I know that I can sometimes be too quick to say something negative and make a generalization about the Swiss. But sure enough -- then something will happen to completely contradict my generalization.

e.g. I have said before that the Swiss aren't very friendly, compared to people in the US. But soon thereafter, I began to notice that it is common here for people to say "Gruetzi mitenand" when walking into an elevator or doctor's office sitting area, etc. -- something that almost never occurs in the States.

So while I think it is completely natural to form opinions based on observations, I also think it is also (therefore) important to always keep in mind that generalizations are, quite often, a way for the mind to deceive (and limit) itself.

Sorry if this didn't really answer your question.
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Old 03.05.2012, 21:08
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I have to work in the area for now & like you, I can cantonise the worst kind of...shall I say it..swiss people. They are such a rude breed.
There is no such thing as "Swiss people".

Grouping them all together like that is definitely "bashing".

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Old 03.05.2012, 21:09
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I have to work in the area for now & like you, I can cantonise the worst kind of...shall I say it..swiss people. They are such a rude breed.
I have many SZ friends and loved ones who have given me more love and support than my friends over the pond. Be nice to them and most will be nice back to you.
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Re: What's the difference between Swiss-bashing and criticizing the Swiss?

There is no such thing as a typical person of any nation.

Maybe i live in the Swiss equivalent of Wisteria Lane, but everybody who lives on my street is absolutely lovely and friendly and most are willing to speak
English to help me out or politely put up with a conversation in my terrible French (to help me out too). So when everybody moans about terrible neighbours in Switzerland i think "ooo don't generalise".

However as soon as i am driving and some idiot is trying to attach himself to my rear bumper whilst on his mobile phone, then over takes just before a roundabout and so has to slam on his breaks i think "Blimmin Swiss idiot drivers"...
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Re: What's the difference between Swiss-bashing and criticizing the Swiss?

Criticizing the Swiss:

- "I know an amazing lot of Swiss who do not even realize that the prices of ordinary daily demand are very high, often without an obvious reason."

- "People in many parts of Switzerland often are reluctant to make a friend of someone they haven't known for quite a long time."

- "Many Swiss do not seem to like the fact that they sometimes feel like strangers in many places of their own country."

etc..

Swiss-bashing:

"All Swiss are weird, cold, off-putting, hate foreigners, bump into everybody in the streets, have no idea what real bread / coffee / bacon / beer / whatever is, are bad drivers, do not stick to the British / whatever rules of indicating in roundabouts, are heartless parents, letting their kids walk to school, constantly tailgate, stick to speed limits / don't stick to speed limits, are just different than my folks at home."

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I generally tend to think that generalizations are generally silly, but I have yet to come across a car with AG plates that did not have a horrible driver behind the wheel. same is true of SZ.

And this from a guy from Michigan
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All Swiss are weird, cold, off-putting, hate foreigners, bump into everybody in the streets, have no idea what real bread / coffee / bacon / beer / whatever is, are bad drivers, do not stick to the British / whatever rules of indicating in roundabouts, are heartless parents, letting their kids walk to school, constantly tailgate, stick to speed limits / don't stick to speed limits, are just different than my folks at home
The bread's ok.
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Someone please tell me because as soon as anyone mentions anything bad about the Swiss out come the usual suspects to groan or bad-rep you.
So what, it's just the usual suspects and maybe just a small percentage of (swiss) people on the forum. Get over it.

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They are certainly not the kind of reactions you'd expect from the neutral Swiss, or is that what you like to think you should be known as?
There is no such thing as "the neutral Swiss". The country, Switzerland, is neutral. I'm not Switzerland!


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I don't mind being constructively criticized for doing something English that many people don't like but...here....it's like you are not allowed to even say small things you don't like about our hosts without a nasty reaction (off and on this forum).
Sorry, but here you just see the negative. If you follow the discussions on here there is a lot of constructive criticism.

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So, after all I have read on this forum and the reaction to slight criticsms, what is the difference between Swiss-bashing and critical comment, enlighten me please?
That's not always easy to say. Sometimes it's mixed, sometimes people are too thin-skinned.
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Old 04.05.2012, 03:26
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Re: What's the difference between Swiss-bashing and criticizing the Swiss?

I rarely critizise the Swiss, but when I do... I do so with a balanced argument based on facts coming from a reliable source.

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I rarely critizise the Swiss, but when I do... I do so with a balanced argument based on facts coming from a reliable source.

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I'd prefer it if you just made stuff up to piss off the most people. What are internet forums for after all?
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Old 04.05.2012, 06:15
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I'd prefer it if you just made stuff up to piss off the most people. What are internet forums for after all?
76% of users think that "making stuff up" is already sufficiently covered by the tabloid press. On a related topic: Eating more minced meat gets you nicer skin...
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The bread's ok.
As is the coffee, bacon, and beer!

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As is the coffee, bacon, and beer!

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The beer? Hell, nooooo
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The beer? Hell, nooooo
sue me but I love Swiss beer, but on the other hand im from Sweden
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