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Old 07.05.2012, 19:28
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What has to be remembered is that supermarkets are places of work (like an office, a building site, a restaurant etc).
Sorry, but I cannot agree entirely with that statement. IMHO the area of a Supermarket which is open to the public is not much at all like an "office", "building site" or even most restaurants. Offices and building sites are generally accessible to people who work there and not to the GP. Restaurants are open to the GP but it's common knowledge that in most such places people come to relax and enjoy friends, family and food - hardly mirroring a supermarket.

The only way that an office, building site, restaurant and supermarket would be majorly similar is that all have employees.

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While staff should of course try to be respectful and mindful of others, this isn't always easy, just like in any profession. Staff get stressed, are extremely busy, have just been given out to for not working hard enough or a million other possible reasons as to why their attention might not be 100% which may make missing a being less than half the size of an adult possible.
Maybe the employee should have thought "If I stack these crates higher than my own head I may very easily crash into something or someone"!? I mean it could have been an elderly person, it could have been someones basket of groceries (which is SMALLER than a child and will never, of it's own accord, move out of the way). The fact that it was my kid (who was following in my shadow, btw!) is of little consequence if you want to take into account the action of the employee - It is plain silly to impair your sight whilst pushing a stack of crates in a place filled with people, old and young, zipping around. I noticed after she hit my son she stopped pushing the stack and began pulling it instead ... doh!
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Old 07.05.2012, 19:30
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Words of wisdom, Krash357. Words of wisdom.

So while I've got you, can you explain to me how I endangered my kid when the crotchety old cow at the Nestlé store expected my 6 year old to cleanup the mess from me dropping a yogurt pot on the floor.
Your mess you clean it A fat person could have slipped on the yoghurt and crushed your child. lol
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Old 07.05.2012, 19:32
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My local supermarket has little trolleys designed for kids to push around whilst their parents shop.

(unless there's a community of dwarfs in the neighbourhood that I've somehow managed to miss).
Nice to know that they exist here! Is that a main store or just a local grocery store?
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Old 07.05.2012, 19:34
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Your mess you clean it A fat person could have slipped on the yoghurt and crushed your child. lol
Ah yes, of course. Makes perfect sense. However, she did not ask me to clean it up...my mess. She handed the paper towel to the 6 year old.

The lesson for me is to not buy crappy Nestlé yogurt anymore and just go to the posh Nespresso store in town where they roll out the red carpet. For some reason, Nestlé seem to train those employees to within an inch of their lives.
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Ah yes, of course. Makes perfect sense. However, she did not ask me to clean it up...my mess. She handed the paper towel to the 6 year old.

The lesson for me is to not buy crappy Nestlé yogurt anymore and just go to the posh Nespresso store in town where they roll out the red carpet. For some reason, Nestlé seem to train those employees to within an inch of their lives.
No the lesson is not to waste your money or health on either product. The lady wanted to teach your kid how to clean and help mummy.
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My local supermarket has little trolleys designed for kids to push around whilst their parents shop.
Well, my local supermarket has little children to push around whilst their parents shop.

Any young EFs here, solve you problem before it happens...

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No the lesson is not to waste your money or health on either products. The lady wanted to teach your kid how to clean and help mummy.
No, I'm addicted to the evil coffee.

So, I took the paper towel from the kid and handed it back to the cashier. Thought she could do with a little lesson in customer service. Lessons all round, huh?
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Re: Are my children semi-invisible!?

What would be wrong with a 6 year old clearing up his own mess? In this case though, having re-read your post, it was your mess, so why didn't you clear it up? What is the message given to your child by refusing to do so???
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What would be wrong with a 6 year old clearing up his own mess?
or mom's mess.
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Old 07.05.2012, 19:48
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I don't get this thread. A mother complains that their small children have been in the way of adults, blames the customers and shopkeepers instead of asking herself what she can do that her children don't get in the way of the said people.
And hey presto a great deal of crowd don't have better things to do than to rant about THE children hating Swiss. What's going on here? Some kind of mass psychosis?
What boggles my brain is why the heck so many people here think I am the MOTHER!!!??? I happen to be the father! Oh, maybe it's so uncommon here for dad's to give a hoot about their kids as well!? ..

So much jumping to conclusions about my kids not staying with their parents, my kids misbehaving ... etc etc ... Again, for the record, my kids are USED to this shopping thing - they are good at it - they have "been there, done that". But my case in point is that the overall environment is a bit more hostile than what they, and us parents, have been used to in Australia, and I just wondered if other parents had experienced similar things.
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Old 07.05.2012, 19:51
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Talking of clearing mom's mess. My mum used to be quiet ill sometimes when I was a kid. When she was bed ridden I used to love clearing up her vomit. That is the least I could do for the best mum in the world. What is a bit of yoghurt on the floor?
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Old 07.05.2012, 20:02
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Parents are responsible for their kids. I hope that we all agree on that. It is also the parents' duty to ensure that the children do not endanger themselves since the latter do not fully grasp how dangerous certain situations can be. Hope you all are still in agreement with me so far.
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Now, why would a parent allow his/her kid to be endangered by allowing him/her to walk across the path of shopping/shop-stacker's-goods trolleys? Time for a small analogy: would you allow your kid to run onto a street with traffic? Surely the drivers are in full control of their vehicles and should be mindful of kids suddenly walking into their intended path. If your kid happened to cross the street in front of a car and got hit, would you scream at the driver or would you lament the fact that your oblivious kid ran into the path of a poor driver and got hurt and it was your own fault for not paying closer attention to him/her?

In short, parents should not allow their kids to run into the path of people who are not expecting to see kids there. If there is a collision, it is, first and foremost, the parent's fault.
The above is based on complete assumption and speculation. - Nuf said!

As for your statement: "If there is a collision, it is, first and foremost, the parent's fault." - this is false in so many ways!
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What boggles my brain is why the heck so many people here think I am the MOTHER!!!???
Maybe because you are melodramatic like a woman suffering from PMT or PMS as they like to call it these days

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Old 07.05.2012, 20:56
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I know about a parish in Germany that built a closed glass compartment for kids so they would not disturb the service.
I have seen the same in the US.

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I have seen the same in the US.

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shhhhhhhhhhhht! US is good, Germany is evil. Who cares about facts.
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Can I borrow that to market my cage?
Latest version-

I actually miss this style of kennel. They don't make them with those type of latches anymore (or that I can find).
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I know about a parish in Germany that built a closed glass compartment for kids so they would not disturb the service. It is sad for two reasons: 1) many children are not being taught how to behave in church during service and that it is not a playground and they are disturbing other people in their prayers and 2) they are not having the experience of becoming a bit settled down and being part of the community.
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I have seen the same in the US.

Tom
In the US, at least at the churches which I've attended, we call them "Cry Rooms". Primarily they're a place for nursing mothers or parents with fussy babies to go where they can still hear and participate in the worship service. They aren't used as a dumping ground for all children who can't behave--for that we have Children's Church (usually in the basement)
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To the op - unfortunately I have to say you have to toughen up a bit and use your elbows a bit more. I'm German, living here for more than a year now with 2 small children. We lived in London for 10 yrs before coming here. Germans and Swiss Germans can be ruder or appear ruder in everyday situations. That's just the way it is and it won't change - at least not quickly. I also take my 5 year old shopping and let him pick food and run around. So far I have not experienced any evil behaviour directed to my son but then I'm also pushing through the supermarket with my trolley and groaning at people (adults) slowing down my progress myself. Hmmmm thinking about it I guess it's cultural and to a degree in my blood too but I do agree with one thing - being rude to kids is a poor poor attitude and reflects how low some people are. I for my part love it to see kids in public areas as its so important for them to become part of our society. Get a thick skin and arm yourself with some nice strong German phrases next time you hit the supermarket.
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Get a thick skin and arm yourself with some nice strong German phrases next time you hit the supermarket.
Sounds like a plan! I guess Australia softened me up a bit too much
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And some kids have disabilities (more than you would guess) and find it difficult to behave in public places
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Reading blick am abend today, I had to think of this post when I ran across an article (unfortunately, I couldn't find it online) about this trio:

http://hirschen-oberkirch.ch/hiob/%22Pressenzen%22.html

They run a restaurant and it is absolutely wonderful how Markus works together with his brothers who have the Down Syndrome. Click on the picture to read.

That article made my day! And I bet they do an awesome job

We need more people as positive as them, everywhere.
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