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Old 06.05.2012, 00:10
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What is the Issue with Queueing?

I went to the BEA Expo in Bern today and my daughter wanted to have a pony ride. I paid my 2 CHF and stood in the semblance of a line to wait. Two minutes later a man and his daughter paid and then just stood right in front of us. My daughter yells out "hey...I was here first" The man turns around and looks at me and does nothing. Sadly, the man who took the money saw the whole thing and said nothing either. Same thing happened a half hour later at the line to get ride tokens. Guy just stands right in front of me while I wait in line and there was even a woman behind me and she didn't even blink. France is even worse. My little one was hurt pretty badly at Disneyland Paris trying to see Daisy Duck. Group of little girls, urged on by their father, pushed my daughter to the ground and then stood and took a picture with Daisy. No reaction from anyone around to the fact my daughters leg was bleeding. I just don't understand what is so hard about the concept of waiting your turn? The Brits are masters of it and you can often see them trying to make queues to see the characters at parks, but there is always some rude prick who just pushes in. People sometimes say that Europeans just don't understand how to queue, but I think that is rubbish. What is hard to understand? I was there first, you weren't. Is this truly lack of knowledge or just rude a-holes?
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Old 06.05.2012, 00:14
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Re: What is the Issue with Queueing?

Instead of getting upset about it, now that you understand how it works join the club.

The problem is that if you stand back far enough for a space big enough for someone to stand in they will. People in europe have a much smaller personal space so stand closer and the problem will go away.
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Re: What is the Issue with Queueing?

Love the fact that my kids were born in mainland Europe and have attended local schools. They seem to know when it is appropriate to have the manners/gentlemanliness of a Brit, and when to behave like the locals and just push themselves forward.

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Re: What is the Issue with Queueing?

I was close to the person in front of me. This man came in from the side as the person in front of me stepped up to the window. The man and his daughter squeezed in. There was no way they didn't know we were waiting. As for joining, I have my standards and I think that pushing in front of kids to get ahead in line is appalling no matter what your personal space preference is. Personal space is one thing. Knocking a 4 year old down to the pavement to skip the line and get a picture with Daisy Duck is friggen rude. I don't see any other way you can view that.
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Old 06.05.2012, 00:40
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Re: What is the Issue with Queueing?

They learn their skills at an early age, fighting their way to the front of the ski lift.

I now take pleasure at barging big and sproggie Swissies out of the way and standing on their skis.

[I thought queueing was only a British affliction?]
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Old 06.05.2012, 00:53
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Nope, my daughter was born and spent the first 3 years in Orlando with an annual Disneyworld pass. Each character comes out and people form a line and wait their turn to hug and get autographs. In France, the character comes out and everyone pushes and shoves and are generally horrid to each other.
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Old 06.05.2012, 06:15
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Nope, my daughter was born and spent the first 3 years in Orlando with an annual Disneyworld pass. Each character comes out and people form a line and wait their turn to hug and get autographs. In France, the character comes out and everyone pushes and shoves and are generally horrid to each other.
Unfortunately a bit too common nowadays - people are generally becoming more ignorant and disrespective of others. I can't stand it either when people barge in and often feel like giving them a good slapping.
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Re: What is the Issue with Queueing?

I hope that you pointed out that there was a line and that you were waiting too.

I tell my kids that people like that are "special" and that their time must be much more important than ours.
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Re: What is the Issue with Queueing?

i just use the phrase "du bist hinter mich" (probably not completely right), give them eye contact, point behind me and shuffled my way back into my rightful position. they get the message!

it happened at an airport once where someone just joined the queue next to me where i was close to the front. they originally pleeded ingornace until i told them in german and english to get to the back. we've all waited love, what makes you so special that you can barge in! get to the back!
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Old 06.05.2012, 09:25
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Re: What is the Issue with Queueing?

Op, why YOU didn't say something??

When it does happen I tell them that I was there first and the queue is there behind the others waiting too.

Doesn't matter if you don't even speak the local language, cold eyes, firm voice and finger pointing in the direction of the queue does the trick.
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Re: What is the Issue with Queueing?

Excellent point Nil, the OP seems to have left the complaining about it to this posting rather then to the person concerned. Most people will move back when you make it clear they were not first, even yesterday I was in a queue that suddenly changed direction because someone else made a new end to it when I simply stepped bang back in front of them they knew full well I had been there first and so they complied, didn't even need to come and complain on the forum which seems to be the latest practice when someone is upset about the locals in switzerland
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Old 06.05.2012, 10:13
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Re: What is the Issue with Queueing?

Told the guy in front of me with his daughter as well as the comment from my daughter, but I got nothing but a strange look. At Disneyland Paris it was just obvious that no one gave a crap. There was an employee very near to Daisy when my daughter fell. She didn't even blink. We went to guest services and the young girl told me that they have tried to make orderly queues and no one listens. She said that some employees got hurt from pushing. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp? A few rude people are common in any place, but this inability to queue is more the norm than the exception.
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Old 06.05.2012, 10:18
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Excellent point Nil, the OP seems to have left the complaining about it to this posting rather then to the person concerned. Most people will move back when you make it clear they were not first, even yesterday I was in a queue that suddenly changed direction because someone else made a new end to it when I simply stepped bang back in front of them they knew full well I had been there first and so they complied, didn't even need to come and complain on the forum which seems to be the latest practice when someone is upset about the locals in switzerland
I love that approach. I'm 194 cm and about 98 kg, so I don't really fit into tight spaces, but I'll gladly force someone who cut the line (not queue, damnit!) back a couple steps to make room. They never seem to get it, even when I take the time to explain it.

Huh. I just posted in another thread about my integration... maybe I'm still missing it on a point or two.
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I love that approach. I'm 194 cm and about 98 kg, so I don't really fit into tight spaces, but I'll gladly force someone who cut the line (not queue, damnit!) back a couple steps to make room. They never seem to get it, even when I take the time to explain it.

Huh. I just posted in another thread about my integration... maybe I'm still missing it on a point or two.


Our visit to Disneyland was with a guy about your height but then 110 kgs. He picked someone up and moved them to the side of the queue when they cut in front if us
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Re: What is the Issue with Queueing?

Jerallie, mate,

It's not the wrong country you're in but the wrong continent....

If you can't cope with it and argue your corner then it's just not going to work, things are doen differently in different countries....Here i would hate to have some waiter come over and tell me all about his long list of daily specials and how he's tasted them all, but in certian countries this is considered normal; you have to live with it if you hapen to be one of those countries. Ditto with queing, and a lot of other things.
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Re: What is the Issue with Queueing?

I will never get used to the lack of good queuing manners. It does seem to vary neighbourhood by neighbourhood. In my nice low tax community people are exceedingly polite. Mothers with tired children tend to get preferential treatment at the check out, as do people with only two or three items. It is very peaceful.

In other locales it is a bit of a free for all. Too bad. But if that is the norm I deal with it, having been a second row forward, the scrum is no problem - I just try not to hurt the little guys.
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I was close to the person in front of me. This man came in from the side as the person in front of me stepped up to the window. The man and his daughter squeezed in. There was no way they didn't know we were waiting. As for joining, I have my standards and I think that pushing in front of kids to get ahead in line is appalling no matter what your personal space preference is. Personal space is one thing. Knocking a 4 year old down to the pavement to skip the line and get a picture with Daisy Duck is friggen rude. I don't see any other way you can view that.
I know exactly how you feel. I am missing the gene that makes me push in, cut lines, shove others around, which is why I never manage to get my drink at an intermission in time to enjoy it, or before it's sold out; the person in front of me always gets the last slice of pizza I wanted, and so on and so forth....
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I went to the BEA Expo in Bern today and my daughter wanted to have a pony ride. I paid my 2 CHF and stood in the semblance of a line to wait. Two minutes later a man and his daughter paid and then just stood right in front of us. My daughter yells out "hey...I was here first" The man turns around and looks at me and does nothing. Sadly, the man who took the money saw the whole thing and said nothing either. Same thing happened a half hour later at the line to get ride tokens. Guy just stands right in front of me while I wait in line and there was even a woman behind me and she didn't even blink. France is even worse. My little one was hurt pretty badly at Disneyland Paris trying to see Daisy Duck. Group of little girls, urged on by their father, pushed my daughter to the ground and then stood and took a picture with Daisy. No reaction from anyone around to the fact my daughters leg was bleeding. I just don't understand what is so hard about the concept of waiting your turn? The Brits are masters of it and you can often see them trying to make queues to see the characters at parks, but there is always some rude prick who just pushes in. People sometimes say that Europeans just don't understand how to queue, but I think that is rubbish. What is hard to understand? I was there first, you weren't. Is this truly lack of knowledge or just rude a-holes?
it is simply that outside of civilisation, the natives are still somewhat backwards. don't be angry with them, they simply don't know any better. just try to set an example and educate them in the ways of a civilised man.
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Nope, my daughter was born and spent the first 3 years in Orlando with an annual Disneyworld pass. Each character comes out and people form a line and wait their turn to hug and get autographs. In France, the character comes out and everyone pushes and shoves and are generally horrid to each other.
Yep, Disney land France a nightmare for queue hoppers.
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Yep, Disney land France a nightmare for queue hoppers.
It happens everywhere Conny land Lego land sea life grrrrrrrr
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