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Re: Need temporary housing ASAP HELP!

You may be lucky and can get a holiday home, they normally rent by the week and I've always seen vacancies. Try here

http://www.en.e-domizil.ch

You can use the search using map feature if you don't know the area.

Alternatively, there are Camp-site along Lake Geneve, could try driving along there looking for a chalet perhaps?

Good Luck!
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Dictionary check will not be needed either..

I appreciate the advice but I asked for advice on where I could find temporary apartments, not on how I explain myself.

I appreciate what your saying but obviously you didn't quite understand that we were under the impression we would be helped by the company until we found permanent accommodation.. And with only 2 weeks notice to pack our bags and leave Our homes in England that was not something we questioned.

So again, the criticism is completely unnecessary, it has been a stressful couple of days without being made to feel like a complete idiot.

Thank you for the actual advice on the necessary subject though.
What you could do is to use the good and useful advise and disregard what you feel as being harsh.

I feel some of the hard comments should be of help for you in the future, things are not easy in a new country, many of us know, and surely different than what was expected.

Besides, you are coming to an open forum, so not all the answers may be what you expected, but please stop justifying yourself.

Glad that you have an extension on your temporary apartment, I wish you success on your future search, so you both are out of this situation very soon.
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What you could do is to use the good and useful advise and disregard what you feel as being harsh.

I feel some of the hard comments should be of help for you in the future, things are not easy in a new country, many of us know, and surely different than what was expected.

Besides, you are coming to an open forum, so not all the answers may be what you expected, but please stop justifying yourself.

Glad that you have an extension on your temporary apartment, I wish you success on your future search, so you both are out of this situation very soon.
Thanks!
Yes the OP stick to her story and want to be pitied or at least only receive "warm attention". I almost regret having suggested stuffs to help (or at least tried), especially with that behavior:

"you didn't quite understand that we were under the impression we would be helped by the company until we found permanent accommodation.

What "I" did not quite understood?
That "you were under the impression" is ridiculous and that you needed a "reality check"???
I though that the company will pay you for 43 years, until you find permanent accommodation?
Oh no wait, maybe they actually specified that down, on a piece of paper called "contract"? And that everything written inside is important and can have significant importance for you?

You said you are young, stop fighting that critic, accept it with a smile or ignore it. But don't deny it with poor arguments, it's not helping your case.


Also, that little incident might have consequences on your hubby, depending on who he is dealing with at work. Especially that now they see he did not read the contract carefully. In the hard work environment those little things can be the difference between no promotion and promotion...

Personally as a manager I would not blame you for your initial mistake and "adaptation" to the local "rental market". Especially that 6 weeks offered was more or less a joke given the local context. But I'll definitely remember the poor attempts to justify and denying the "reality check" comment.

Now if you only expect kind attention and loving comments, I suggest you go to facebook or back to your family.
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Old 16.05.2012, 11:08
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Could we not let it go perhaps? Coursebou, I'm pretty sure your point has been made (in fact I'm pretty sure that circumstances have made your point more effectively than you could) so maybe just drop it, you know?

Daniellepaige, glad you have found a solution at least for the time being. No specific recommendations for Lausanne/Geneva but in general I'd second the advice to look further out. Look at the train timetables when doing so, not the map. Towns that are geographically closer can actually require a longer commute, e.g. if the fast trains don't stop there.
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Glad for your better prospects.

Also glad to disagree on the "bubble"/reality check thing.

You got some criticism and a bunch of helping advice that can save you quite a lot of CHF. And might help you to find something quicker.So consider lucky to have received that little cold water on the face, as opposed to leave you unaware of your surroundings.

Now I'd be happy to hear in which country you would not have to verify the basic such as "how long is your "temporary accommodation covered for"?

Maybe you dont need a "reality check" but a "dictionnary check" ?
What part of temporary you did not understood?


Anyway, you have now 2-3 weeks to rebound, it's still not so much. But if you have an agent help...might be enough!

Look I give you a money saving link:

http://en.comparis.ch/steuern/steuer...h/default.aspx

Compare being in VAUD by being in Fribourg canton...
Seriously, either you have been here too long and are learning the Swiss mannerisms or you came over on a sweet deal with a big employer who has a full serviced HR dept at your feet and have no idea what the OP is going through. How about showing a little compassion instead of thinking it not possible that someone could be in that situation - it happens a lot to people moving here where employers promise lots of things and talk about how easy it will be. Once you are here, some learn otherwise while others it really is smooth - if you were one of those, consider yourself lucky rather than just thinking you were smarter! I think the OP had enough "cold water" with getting the one day notice and your helpful (?) comments certainly would not help the current situation. Next time someone finds themself in a new country, and one that is not exactly the easiest to navigate, do them a favor and don't reply as you seem to have a knack for adding to stressful situations instead of being any help whatsoever.

OP - good luck with everything! We came over about 18 months ago now and my employer promised the world of help and that it would be smooth sailing to get set up and find a job for my husband...things one tends to believe when they are talking to other expats in the company. But every situation is different and moving to Switzerland is anything but easy for most - that said, you will figure it out and everything will come together. I'm glad you were able to sort out another couple weeks and I hope it will be enough time to find a permanent place, but you are likely looking at a couple months of temp housing. You've been given a few places to look already so jump on them and assume you won't find a permanent place in time.
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Seriously, either you have been here too long and are learning the Swiss mannerisms or you came over on a sweet deal with a big employer who has a full serviced HR dept at your feet and have no idea what the OP is going through. How about showing a little compassion instead of thinking it not possible that someone could be in that situation - it happens a lot to people moving here where employers promise lots of things and talk about how easy it will be. Once you are here, some learn otherwise while others it really is smooth - if you were one of those, consider yourself lucky rather than just thinking you were smarter! I think the OP had enough "cold water" with getting the one day notice and your helpful (?) comments certainly would not help the current situation. Next time someone finds themself in a new country, and one that is not exactly the easiest to navigate, do them a favor and don't reply as you seem to have a knack for adding to stressful situations instead of being any help whatsoever.

OP - good luck with everything! We came over about 18 months ago now and my employer promised the world of help and that it would be smooth sailing to get set up and find a job for my husband...things one tends to believe when they are talking to other expats in the company. But every situation is different and moving to Switzerland is anything but easy for most - that said, you will figure it out and everything will come together. I'm glad you were able to sort out another couple weeks and I hope it will be enough time to find a permanent place, but you are likely looking at a couple months of temp housing. You've been given a few places to look already so jump on them and assume you won't find a permanent place in time.
Exactly what I suggested a "reality check".
It's a public forum. I believe I gave the exact right piece of advice and in the exact tone so they will remember. They can decide to take it nicely and be more careful.
I also noticed they are young and I think they need such comment to make them realize that here, they is no one else that will do things for them, so they need to be proactive very quickly.
I even pro-actively addressed further problems they might have and gave them a good insight on extending their search area.
I'm confident that they will take it positively and will avoid similar issues in the future.


Now if we consider your post, there's nothing helping as for the OP original situation. Only kind words and observations on what happened with them.
Is that helpful? Does it help them to find something quicker?
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Exactly what I suggested a "reality check".
It's a public forum. I believe I gave the exact right piece of advice and in the exact tone so they will remember. They can decide to take it nicely and be more careful.
so it can help them remember what? how horrible their only time moving to Switzerland was? seriously dude, drop it.
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so it can help them remember what? how horrible their only time moving to Switzerland was? seriously dude, drop it.
How they need to check carefully their contract.

Seriously dude, you also need a reality check!

Do you want them to be there:
Help Please! Contractual Notice Period Question!

A little help needed with apartment contract

Still getting Swisscom Mobile bills 12 months after cancelling contract!!!!!

Letter to cancel health insurance late by one day!



Everything in Switzerland (and many countries) is about contracts.

Here they will be financially slaughtered if they don't respect the resignation time of the mobile (up to +12 months or +24 months extra to pay). They will not be able to change the health insurance if they don't respect the contract duration (- 3 months, costed me +700chf a year lost). They might lose deposit (2000-3000chf?) if they don't respect the rental contract, etc, etc, etc...

We see that everyday on this very forum.

So drop it, no. I prefer to help them.

As for you, may I suggest that you create a "crying club"? You could offer kind words to all those people who lost many CHF and got very stressed in that very same foreign country?
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Seriously, either you have been here too long and are learning the Swiss mannerisms
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Re: Need temporary housing ASAP HELP!

I may be young but not a complete idiot and like I said "I appreciate the advice EVERYONE has given, even the harsh stuff" .. But to go on further patronising and frankly trying to make someone feel small is just ridiculous!!!

The reason why we were panicking is because the employer had not replied to our request for an extension after bein asked multiple times..

We are more than capable of looking after ourselves, and don't need people like you making me feel inadequate in asking for advice..

And the Facebook comment? Really? May be you should sign up just so you can get an idea of what compassion really is??

Again I thank everyone for the advice given..
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Hi,

I'm sure you're aware of the property rental websites like homegate, immostreet, immo scout and comparis.

However, also check small ad websites like anibis, petits annonces and tutti, as this is where you will often find private landlords, flat shares and also renters who want to get out of their contract early and have to provide the agency with a list of suitable tenants. All these people may be more eager to find someone quickly. You could also post an ad yourself saying what you are looking for, in what location, what your budget is.

Also, take time to go into your local Migros and Coop and check out the small ad displays to see if anyone is advertising on there... and again post ads yourself on these displays. Generally you have to renew the ad every week - I'd ask if you could take a card away and then print out a piece of paper the same size as the card, with those tear-off slips with your phone number on. This means a) you can renew the ad easily by printing out a new one, and b) someone who sees it and thinks they may have something for you doesn't even need to find a pen and paper!

I don't know how much help the relocation agency is giving you. Assuming not a lot... When you apply, try taking your application in in person rather than by post. It puts a face to the name, gives the agency a chance to check your paperwork and tell you if there's something you've missed out, and also gives you a chance to 'sell' yourself. Photocopy all the documents you need and take them to all viewings, so that if necessary you can go straight from the viewing to the agency, armed with all the documents bar the official application form, and say 'I have just seen xxx apartment and I would like to apply right now.' Some (but not all) agencies also have 'lists' of people who are waiting for an apartment, so when you are turned down it is worth asking the agency if they do have a list, and if they can add you on to that list. That way they don't have to advertise or do more paperwork, and you get priority...

My current living situation is in a constant 'will I have to move, won't I have to move' flux. My social worker told me the best way to find somewhere was to advertise that I was looking, because often now, with the housing market being the way it is, renters looking to find someone to take over their contract don't even bother to advertise their flat. They just search for someone suitable and contact them. And when I followed her advice, I got three phone calls within a day. None of them were suitable (what MathNut said about checking transport links is spot on), but it shows the advice was sound.

And remember to join the renter's associationAsloca. It only costs 55.- per year, although consultations in your first 3 months of membership are an additional 50.-. I'm not sure if you can sign up without a permanant address - however, if you can't you can also consult them as a non-member (80.-).

When you find a place get Asloca to check the rental contract before you sign it. Landlords and agencies can spot a desperate expat a mile away and will not hesitate to put sneaky clauses into your contract that no Swiss person would stand for. When I joined Asloca (two years after moving here) and the advisor read my contract, he was horrified. He kept on saying 'Why did you sign this? The rent is too high, this is not right, that is not good either...' and I kept saying 'I was moving to Switzerland in 2 weeks time, I hadn't found a place to live and I didn't know better.' So take time to join them now, and use their services - because it may well pay dividends in the future.

Oh, and just for your information, Alsoca membership is by calendar year - so even if you join now, you then be due to pay another 55.- in January 2013. I didn't realise that and didn't pay my membership fee this January because I'd joined last summer... and then when the second newsletter came this year it said 'If you haven't paid your membership for 2012 please do so now' and I realised my mistake...

And finally... please, if you accept one place and then the next day are offered a better apartment... for the sake of all the expats after you, just take the first one and tell the second one 'Thanks, but we've found somewhere'. 'Foreigners' who 'mess landlords and agencies around' like this give the whole expat community a bad name, which is part of the reason why it is so hard to get an apartment without being able to tick that magic 'Swiss' or at the very least 'C Permit' box. I'm not saying a lot of expats do do this... but there is a negative perception here when you're an expat trying to rent, and occasionally there are stories on here of people changing their minds at the last minute and that doesn't help expat's reputations!

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Hi,

I'm sure you're aware of the property rental websites like homegate, immostreet, immo scout and comparis.

However, also check small ad websites like anibis, petits annonces and tutti, as this is where you will often find private landlords, flat shares and also renters who want to get out of their contract early and have to provide the agency with a list of suitable tenants. All these people may be more eager to find someone quickly. You could also post an ad yourself saying what you are looking for, in what location, what your budget is.

Also, take time to go into your local Migros and Coop and check out the small ad displays to see if anyone is advertising on there... and again post ads yourself on these displays. Generally you have to renew the ad every week - I'd ask if you could take a card away and then print out a piece of paper the same size as the card, with those tear-off slips with your phone number on. This means a) you can renew the ad easily by printing out a new one, and b) someone who sees it and thinks they may have something for you doesn't even need to find a pen and paper!

I don't know how much help the relocation agency is giving you. Assuming not a lot... When you apply, try taking your application in in person rather than by post. It puts a face to the name, gives the agency a chance to check your paperwork and tell you if there's something you've missed out, and also gives you a chance to 'sell' yourself. Photocopy all the documents you need and take them to all viewings, so that if necessary you can go straight from the viewing to the agency, armed with all the documents bar the official application form, and say 'I have just seen xxx apartment and I would like to apply right now.' Some (but not all) agencies also have 'lists' of people who are waiting for an apartment, so when you are turned down it is worth asking the agency if they do have a list, and if they can add you on to that list. That way they don't have to advertise or do more paperwork, and you get priority...

My current living situation is in a constant 'will I have to move, won't I have to move' flux. My social worker told me the best way to find somewhere was to advertise that I was looking, because often now, with the housing market being the way it is, renters looking to find someone to take over their contract don't even bother to advertise their flat. They just search for someone suitable and contact them. And when I followed her advice, I got three phone calls within a day. None of them were suitable (what MathNut said about checking transport links is spot on), but it shows the advice was sound.

And remember to join the renter's associationAsloca. It only costs 55.- per year, although consultations in your first 3 months of membership are an additional 50.-. I'm not sure if you can sign up without a permanant address - however, if you can't you can also consult them as a non-member (80.-).

When you find a place get Asloca to check the rental contract before you sign it. Landlords and agencies can spot a desperate expat a mile away and will not hesitate to put sneaky clauses into your contract that no Swiss person would stand for. When I joined Asloca (two years after moving here) and the advisor read my contract, he was horrified. He kept on saying 'Why did you sign this? The rent is too high, this is not right, that is not good either...' and I kept saying 'I was moving to Switzerland in 2 weeks time, I hadn't found a place to live and I didn't know better.' So take time to join them now, and use their services - because it may well pay dividends in the future.

Oh, and just for your information, Alsoca membership is by calendar year - so even if you join now, you then be due to pay another 55.- in January 2013. I didn't realise that and didn't pay my membership fee this January because I'd joined last summer... and then when the second newsletter came this year it said 'If you haven't paid your membership for 2012 please do so now' and I realised my mistake...

And finally... please, if you accept one place and then the next day are offered a better apartment... for the sake of all the expats after you, just take the first one and tell the second one 'Thanks, but we've found somewhere'. 'Foreigners' who 'mess landlords and agencies around' like this give the whole expat community a bad name, which is part of the reason why it is so hard to get an apartment without being able to tick that magic 'Swiss' or at the very least 'C Permit' box. I'm not saying a lot of expats do do this... but there is a negative perception here when you're an expat trying to rent, and occasionally there are stories on here of people changing their minds at the last minute and that doesn't help expat's reputations!

Hope that helps!
Thank you so much!! We are literally looking through all these sites right now and are going to get ads out everywhere and every (if any) response we get we will pass on to the relocation company to see of we are being ripped off or not.. We knew after the first 3 apartments we applied for we would settle for anything.. We haven't even had to opportunity to say no to anything haha!!
This information is so so helpful now though..
We can now work alongside the relocation company on finding us a home..
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