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Old 01.06.2012, 19:49
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Light Bulbs - life was once so simple

We have a fair few of these 50watt 220 volt halogen spot lights about the place. Nice and bright, get hot enough to fry eggs on and they fail with monotonous regularity.

So I have been eyeing the LED alternatives on Coop & Migros - but at about CHF40 a throw, they're having a joke. Even if they only burn 5 watts and last 25 years.

Then I spotted a more likely contender in Landi (a sort of supermarket for farmers). Their offering was CHF14.40, guaranteed 15,000 hours and burned only 3 watts.

So I splashed out and installed the new environmentally-friendly alternative and was bathed in it somehow eerie yellow glow. But not for long - I was just thinking how I was doing my bit to save the planet and so on, when puff - it failed after only 45 minutes use.

So back at Landi they credited the bulb and I bought a pack of two halogen ones for CHF1.50. At CHF0.75 each who in their right mind will buy LED ones? Not me...
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Old 01.06.2012, 20:06
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Re: Light Bulbs - life was once so simple

If you regularly cook your morning egg on the bulb instead of using your stove and frying pan, I am positive that your carbon footprint will stay the same.
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Here is why I coughed up chf 40 for a few of these. I have light fixtures that are high up and generate a lot of heat. And the halogen lights just blow. I am tired of burnt out light bulbs. So I replaced the ones in my kitchen light fixture with LEDs. The light is actually brighter and a lot cooler. Mine have been there for about 5 months... so we'll see.

I also have a light fixture that is difficult to take apart, made of translucent plastic - it looks like a giant 6 pointed jack. These were a lot less expensive - e14 base. I put LEDs in those too because again, it's a PITA to take the fixture apart. I figure we'll see how long they last and if we have to change them sooner, then we'll go back to the others. And again, the light fixture doesn't get hot.

But I see your point, and had mine lasted less than an hour, they'd be returned.

Our first apartment, rented from the owner, with lots of extras and fancy fixtures had the most appalling electricity I've ever encountered. Lights blowing all the time. Our new place, a standard boring build is a lot better.
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At CHF0.75 each who in their right mind will buy LED ones? Not me...
I am not buying LED either.

We also have fixtures with 50w Halogen bulbs, when possible I try to buy the bulbs in Germany.
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Re: Light Bulbs - life was once so simple

these days you also have to check the temperature of the light (not how hot it gets but what colour the light is). You often find that a lot of bulbs these days are around 4000 - 4800 kelvin which tend to give out a yellow light, if you go for bulbs that 5000+ then you get a much whiter light


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Re: Light Bulbs - life was once so simple

Not sure if you can get halogen in this colour, but daylight is the best for imitating natural light. You could also see if Hornbach have lights at a reasonable price if there's one near you. We only have flourescent or ordinary energy saving lightbulbs in our house, but Hornbach's the best place to buy the latter.
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Re: Light Bulbs - life was once so simple

I've seen the the halogen bulbs pictured in this thread in Hornbach with a temperature of 6000k, admittedly that was in Luxembourg.
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Re: Light Bulbs - life was once so simple

Check the savings:
http://www.led.ch/energiesparrechner/

With our nuclear power plants scheduled to go offline in the near (far) future, electricity prices are bound to rise.


Good overview/comparison:
http://www.topten.ch/deutsch/Beleuch...ter-300lm.html
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Old 03.06.2012, 13:31
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Re: Light Bulbs - life was once so simple

I am slowly replacing my bulbs with LEDs. I buy them in ebay for around 30/35 CHF for 5 bulbs.

I would not buy less than 6W; better 9W.
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Old 03.06.2012, 13:48
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Re: Light Bulbs - life was once so simple

LED technology is evolving at a frightening rate and thus they are getting brighter watt for watt. As mentioned the colour temperature is important.

Other things to consider is cheap unbranded LEDs are next to useless and the elements are far from reliable, you really do get what you pay for and the 15-20 element cheapies are a joke. The Osram or Phillips are the best performers. If you don't need to be able to dim them then you can save a fair bit per unit; off the top of my head the blue packet Phillips are non dim able and the green variable and this more coin, but I may have got the packing colour back to front so have a read on the tag...
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Old 03.06.2012, 14:04
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LED technology is evolving at a frightening rate and thus they are getting brighter watt for watt. As mentioned the colour temperature is important.

Other things to consider is cheap unbranded LEDs are next to useless and the elements are far from reliable, you really do get what you pay for and the 15-20 element cheapies are a joke. The Osram or Phillips are the best performers. If you don't need to be able to dim them then you can save a fair bit per unit; off the top of my head the blue packet Phillips are non dim able and the green variable and this more coin, but I may have got the packing colour back to front so have a read on the tag...
About "Other things to consider is cheap unbranded LEDs are next to useless and the elements are far from reliable"

As mentioned I have been upgrading to cheap LED bulbs for over a year now, with probably a dozen installed to date - never had one fail & the light quality is fine.
Also tried "Swiss quality" halogen bulbs but in my experience they fail quite quickly; within a couple of months.
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Check the savings:
http://www.led.ch/energiesparrechner/

With our nuclear power plants scheduled to go offline in the near (far) future, electricity prices are bound to rise.


Good overview/comparison:
http://www.topten.ch/deutsch/Beleuch...ter-300lm.html
What the savings forget to tell you is that the rated life span of the LED and Fluro bulbs is way overrated.

Ktip did a test recently, less than around 20% achieved their rated lifespan

More than half the bulbs tested failed at something like well under 50% of their lifespan

So reality is:
You'll change those flouro and LED lamps more often than you think
And they'll do dimmer with age, and you'll ask yourself: is it my eyes, or is it dim in here....
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Old 03.06.2012, 14:37
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Re: Light Bulbs - life was once so simple

Just bought a pack of ten from ebay here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10x-GU10-2...ht_7160wt_1378

That is less the 5 francs a shot so as always the prices here in Switzerland so pays to shop around.

My brother in the UK is just completing part a new part to his house and on Facetime they looked good to me and he rates them so good enough for me.
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About "Other things to consider is cheap unbranded LEDs are next to useless and the elements are far from reliable"

As mentioned I have been upgrading to cheap LED bulbs for over a year now, with probably a dozen installed to date - never had one fail & the light quality is fine.
Also tried "Swiss quality" halogen bulbs but in my experience they fail quite quickly; within a couple of months.
Do you know what brand yours are or is it just what's about on the offers? I ask as I have had at least 12 failures from hornbach type lamps in the last half year and the remaining ones glow like an uninspired, depressed bioluminescent lighting bug in an opaque jam jar.

Thus i got fed up and started using these badboys http://www.conrad.ch/ce/de/product/5...FUGEDgodBkPkUg brought however in the UK...

I agree about the Halos, damn things can trip the main 3phase breaker when they blow too!!!
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Do you know what brand yours are or is it just what's about on the offers? I ask as I have had at least 12 failures from hornbach type lamps in the last half year and the remaining ones glow like an uninspired, depressed bioluminescent lighting bug in an opaque jam jar.

Thus i got fed up and started using these badboys http://www.conrad.ch/ce/de/product/5...FUGEDgodBkPkUg brought however in the UK...

I agree about the Halos, damn things can trip the main 3phase breaker when they blow too!!!
No idea about brands! ebay sellers were lishengan2009 & solar-led-de !!
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No idea about brands! ebay sellers were lishengan2009 & solar-led-de !!
Ta, i'll have a look...
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Re: Light Bulbs - life was once so simple

My experience with low voltage halogen lamps has been pretty good. I have a 15 year old Artemide Tizio lamp that is still using its original low voltage bulb. (but it does get bloody hot). Only the low voltage halogen lamps in the bathroom went kaput (and it was the cheap set above the sinks) and even then they survived OK in a steamy bathroom environment for about 10 years.

I have a small stockpile of low voltage halogen lamps which should last a while... I think that part of the secret of the longevity is not to turn them on and off in rapid succession and let them cool down between use.

I have been replacing incandescent bulbs (when they blow) with either LED or a low energy equivalents and I must say you get what you pay for... The first ones I used were compact flourescent (and I was not happy with them), I then moved to the (then) more expensive Xenon Halogen Lamp (which - surprisingly - is an energy saving lamp!) much better than the compact flourescent.
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We have a fair few of these 50watt 220 volt halogen spot lights about the place. Nice and bright, get hot enough to fry eggs on and they fail with monotonous regularity.

So I have been eyeing the LED alternatives on Coop & Migros - but at about CHF40 a throw, they're having a joke. Even if they only burn 5 watts and last 25 years.

Then I spotted a more likely contender in Landi (a sort of supermarket for farmers). Their offering was CHF14.40, guaranteed 15,000 hours and burned only 3 watts.

So I splashed out and installed the new environmentally-friendly alternative and was bathed in it somehow eerie yellow glow. But not for long - I was just thinking how I was doing my bit to save the planet and so on, when puff - it failed after only 45 minutes use.

So back at Landi they credited the bulb and I bought a pack of two halogen ones for CHF1.50. At CHF0.75 each who in their right mind will buy LED ones? Not me...
There's a nice movie about that:
The Light Bulb Conspiracy how the traditional bulbs where so efficient that the customers would not buy them anymore. So they started to make crap one.

I suppose this is the same with new "LED", they have a new market, make new products and now make a fuss about it...
The Light Bulb Conspiracy -- The Untold Story of Planned Obsolescence
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There's a nice movie about that:
The Light Bulb Conspiracy how the traditional bulbs where so efficient that the customers would not buy them anymore. So they started to make crap one.

I suppose this is the same with new "LED", they have a new market, make new products and now make a fuss about it...
The Light Bulb Conspiracy -- The Untold Story of Planned Obsolescence
Unfortunately, you can say the same about most things these days. Nothing is built to last for very long anymore.

FriendlyKiwi, I loved the figures for those new bulbs they've come up with in the US that cost about $60 a pop. Supposed to last something like 20-30 years (average use per day: 3 hours). You try getting away with only 3 hours of light in the middle of winter - or the middle of summer here come to think of it. With shutters closed to keep sun/heat out you need lights on all day!
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Re: Light Bulbs - life was once so simple

Tempting Fate
An LED bulb failed today....
Only 8 months old.

Actually it is the second that failed but I do not count the first one because I dropped it off the ladder
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