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I don't know where you are but all the Americans I know dry their clothes outside too.
You have to be careful though - in some areas men's underwear is not allowed to hang next to women's, and in some areas no underwear is allowed outside at all, and if you live in the ghetto your clothes will be stolen after 2 minutes...
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I don't know where you are but all the Americans I know dry their clothes outside too.
California, I asked my landlady where can I hang them and she was extremely surprised, like I was really coming from another world (she answered like "in _this_ country we always use the dryer and nobody ever does _that_"); and actually I have never seen any clothes hanging outside here. I didn't want to dry mine in a tumbler anyway, so I made some improvised setup using cloth hangers and some chairs on the balcony Nobody tried to arrest me for this, though I must say I was too lazy to hang the underwear without the clips and ropes, so it made its way to the tumbler...
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Re: Darn European washing machines/dryers!!!

Aaah, one of my pet hates used to be the common tumble dryer – a power/money draining device that serves the lazy and environmentally unconscious. I used to spend hours questioning housemates on why it had to be used at all.

It was when I moved in with a group of mates a couple of years ago and had the heart-attack inducing realisation that one of them would put his trousers in 15 minutes before leaving the house for a warm kick-start to the day that I came to the conclusion that my battle to save the planet via the medium of reduced tumble dryer usage was long lost.


I have since focussed my attentions on trying to find a girlfriend.
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I have since focussed my attentions on trying to find a girlfriend.
Probably easier than getting some people to care about the environment
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I don't know how you calculate your time.

Open the basket
Take the clothes out
Separate them by white, color(2) delicate, towels, bed sheets(3)= +/- 8 loads
Wash white and color together - use color-absorbant rags. Wash towels and bedsheets together. Load number divided by at least three right there.

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Put one load in the machine
Put the gel in, program the machine, press start.
Put gel in, PROGRAM the machine.... Oh dear me!!!! How COMPLICATED! Do you use C+ or Cobol to PROGRAM your machine?

PRESS START!
Is it a double-safe button with key guards that requires four people to operate?

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Old 12.06.2012, 13:54
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I don't know where you are but all the Americans I know dry their clothes outside too.
Very very few Americans hang their clothes out to dry on a normal basis. And if they do, they still have a dryer inside the house/apartment somewhere. This is based on 30 years or so living in the US. Now, I am not/was not a city dweller, maybe this is different there. Or if the Americans were recent immigrants...
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Wash white and color together - use color-absorbant rags. Wash towels and bedsheets together. Load number divided by at least three right there.



Put gel in, PROGRAM the machine.... Oh dear me!!!! How COMPLICATED! Do you use C+ or Cobol to PROGRAM your machine?

PRESS START!
Is it a double-safe button with key guards that requires four people to operate?

Sometimes I wonder how in the world did we ever get to the moon.
Wow! You have a lot of faith into people's hability to use their brain!

White and color? Never ever! Only if you like grayish white kinda color. 4 towels plus 3 bed sheets set don't fit together, it gives at least 5 loads just there.
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Re: Darn European washing machines/dryers!!!

I wonder if two issues are being conflated here? If not, I will split them anyway

European washing machines : good
Swiss rota for communal laundry : stupid beyond belief

Luckily, despite having to use communal machines, my apartment block is small enough that we need no rota or booking system. As I've just joined a gym and currently have only one set of gym gear (luckily, it's special "quick dry" material) I'm washing almost every day. I could hand wash it, but I'd be cursing each time, if I was lumbered with a rota. I didn't get to the top pof the food chain to hand wash clothes.
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Top-loaders are the new brown sugar, I guess.

We all have preferences; that I prefer machine A and another person prefers machine B does not make either of us right or wrong - simply a preference, a better fit for one's individual needs.
Actually, I've had a front-loader (mistakenly called a 'euro' washer) since 1996 in the US. It's just that the US versions have a larger capacity and take far less time to wash. I mean, 3 hours for one tiny load? I don't see how that's any more eco-friendly than the one hour cycle.
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I didn't get to the top pof the food chain to hand wash clothes.
Ah ha. So that's where you've got to ...
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We were not permitted to hang our washing out to dry in chapel hill, nc.
I saw many places in Florida where it is permitted, so it is surely depending of the area.
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I need to be efficient when it comes to laundry...but these DARN machines...make me CRAZY.....so tiny and so slow and inefficient!
You have to admit though, they must be better than taking your clothes down to the river to wash and hanging them on bushes to dry!
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I saw many places in Florida where it is permitted, so it is surely depending of the area.

It definitely a neighborhood by neighborhood thing. Some places that wanted to seem more upscale would not allow clothes lines or above ground pools as well as some will regulate what kind of fences you can have, etc. See, it isn't just in Switzerland where silly rules can exist!

Although, these are likely gated communities, and who wants to live there, anyways?
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you know there are machines for your need, you shouldn't use home appliances for "business use"...

Day off...just taking care of family...and wishing to get it done efficiently..

I don't believe that american washing machines and tumblers are better than "european"...btw you know that Europe is not a country but a continent?

btw America is also not a country.

and I doubt that you have tried the myriad of brands from european manufacturers...you should try Electrolux, probably the best manufacturer in the world for this kind of usage...
Undoubtedly. Have had several Electrolux appliances, just not a washer...good idea.
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A bit of mindless wandering....but stay with me....the EF being the home of sound business advice...

Amen.

We were in Hastings, UK last week, and while sat in the pub noticed there was a coin-operated launderette across the road that also offered same-day Service Washes as well as small clothing repairs and alterations.

It reminded me of a place near where we used to live in Edinburgh which was a launderette-cum-café which was called the "Lost Sock Diner". Basically you could put your wash in, and sit in the café with a brew or a pint. The café was separated from the launderette by a glass window with a door so you could see how your wash was progressing.

Wonderful idea! When I was in college, we had a great time, at a combination pub/laundromat! The ones which were near the university were quite nice and well maintained.

So...question is, would such a business (or either type) do well in a Swiss town where people commonly have to share a washing machine with neighbours. Would the key to success be opening on Sundays, between the hours of 10pm and 7am and bank holidays?

Can you imagine, our darling Irish/American dental assistant can only use her laundry room every THREE WEEKS....??

I'll bet my life savings on such a venture, natch.

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Good idea!
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It definitely a neighborhood by neighborhood thing. Some places that wanted to seem more upscale would not allow clothes lines or above ground pools as well as some will regulate what kind of fences you can have, etc. See, it isn't just in Switzerland where silly rules can exist!

Although, these are likely gated communities, and who wants to live there, anyways?
Actually, we never lived in a gated community. We did buy in an area of new construction. Homeowner's associations can be a total PITA. Talk about arbitrary rules. There were regs about fences, and drying clothes out of doors. External colors and decorations too. Can't remember what else anymore. We sold the house as soon as we moved here. Whew.

I'm curious about the 3 hour wash cycles though. When I wash towels at 60 degrees, it's no more than 90 minutes. The only thing I can think of that takes 3 hours is 95 degrees. I guess if you need to boil your clothes.......
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Re: Darn European washing machines/dryers!!!

If you're lucky enough to be able to install your own washing machine, Bauknecht does the washer that Whirlpool sells as part of the "Duo" in the US.

10kg load.

Because it's made in Poland.

The dryer IIRC is made in Mexico and does not exist in Bauknecht livery....you're limited to 8kg.

I had one for 5 years here in a house. Sadly, I left it with the house.

Buy abroad if you can - white goods have to be priced higher here otherwise the Swiss won't buy them because they're suspicious of the price. Fact.
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Aaah, one of my pet hates used to be the common tumble dryer – a power/money draining device that serves the lazy and environmentally unconscious. I used to spend hours questioning housemates on why it had to be used at all.

It was when I moved in with a group of mates a couple of years ago and had the heart-attack inducing realisation that one of them would put his trousers in 15 minutes before leaving the house for a warm kick-start to the day that I came to the conclusion that my battle to save the planet via the medium of reduced tumble dryer usage was long lost.


I have since focussed my attentions on trying to find a girlfriend.
i also don't like to use the tumble dryer for environmental reasons, but now i think i know where i'm going wrong on the gf front
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Re: Darn European washing machines/dryers!!!

And... load no. 23, full of dirty gas masks!
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If you're lucky enough to be able to install your own washing machine, Bauknecht does the washer that Whirlpool sells as part of the "Duo" in the US.

http://www.bauknecht.ch/waschen.xhtm
Do not see the 10 kg version, but WOW the prices are astonishing, for the 8 kg..

10kg load.

Because it's made in Poland.

The dryer IIRC is made in Mexico and does not exist in Bauknecht livery....you're limited to 8kg.

Ah, Mexico , no need for tumblers there.

I had one for 5 years here in a house. Sadly, I left it with the house.

Buy abroad if you can - white goods have to be priced higher here otherwise the Swiss won't buy them because they're suspicious of the price. Fact.
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