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Old 15.08.2012, 03:02
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Re: Cycling helmets for children are still not compulsory!!

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We've got some crude figures to work on in this case: we know that half of all motoring deaths are due to head or neck injuries; we know that about 10% of journeys are made by bicycle; we know the fatality rate per journey of cars compared with bicycles is about the same. ...
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I'm sorry, is this some kind of joke?

You spend your life reviewing stats and peer reviewed publications and rely on "pure" logic, whatever that might be and as opposed to just "logic", and "common sense" which is just the accumulation of your prejudices up to the age of 18.

Nobody who had spent any time at all reviewing scientific papers would make such absurd statements.
Well for starters I question the stats and how they were collected, I don't feel that blank looks at historical tallys are the best method for conclusive decisions.

Example: in the 50% of vehicular deaths due to head trauma. Assuming that seatbelts were properly used and many cases airbags were in use--would lead to assumption that a good majority were severe car accidents where a helmet would not make any difference.

Compare that to bicycle, which don't have a protective cage, crumple zones or airbags, and a slight loss of balance could result in a concussion.

I think the logic for helmet use as a protection against cycling related head injuries is still valid.

Stats are entirely useless unless you can consider them from all points of view and are never absolute.

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......but there are quite a few cases of children being strangled by their helmet straps, so what you are proposing can be shown to have killed children, but not to have saved any. Presumably you are quite happy for children to die because of your opinion, rather than to examine the evidence.
Quite a few cases seems to add up to about 15 in the last 24 years (and the majority were due to helmet use off the bike). One would have to be fairly naive to honestly think that can compare to the number of head injuries prevented from cyclist wearing helmets---even if proper numbers for the latter don't exist. I wouldn't be surprised if we could find over 100 stories from EF members in the last 10 years where a helmet prevented serious injury. Does that suffice for examining the evidence?

These are just ridiculous arguments, when simply put: Wearing a helmet when cycling will reduce the risk of severe head injury in the case of an accident.
The points of discouraging people from riding just touches on the shallow mindedness of some simpler people's image issues. The RARE case of strangling is mostly caused by lack of parenting supervision. And sure wearing helmets would also provide protection in an automobile...or an airplane, train, general walking or even when discussing threads on EF---but that's besides the point of this thread.
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Old 15.08.2012, 22:11
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Re: Cycling helmets for children are still not compulsory!!

Perhaps fully protective suits should be made compulsory for anyone using a public highway.

For example...



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Re: Cycling helmets for children are still not compulsory!!

SUVA is the largest accident insurance company in Switzerland, and as an employee you are probably insured by the SUVA. SUVA has this to say,

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The long-term bicycle helmet campaign caused the helmet owner wearing rate to increase from below 5 percent (1994) to around 40 percent today, and the proportion of head and skull injuries in bicycle accidents to be be reduced. Now a change of direction is called for.

While still wearing the helmet is still imperative. New but safe travel is at the heart of the campaign.

Safely through the roundabout: Over the middle.
With optimal bike handling, accidents - especially collisions - do not happen. To achieve this, the Suva is in this yeaar and next year to focus on safe driving in roundabouts.

http://www.suva.ch/startseite-suva/praevention-suva/sichere-freizeit-suva/velohelm-kampagne-suva/velohelme-zubehoer-bestellen-suva.htm

http://www.suva.ch/english/startseit...en-en-suva.htm

http://www.suva.ch/english/startseit...it-en-suva.htm
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Re: Cycling helmets for children are still not compulsory!!

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SUVA is the largest accident insurance company in Switzerland, and as an employee you are probably insured by the SUVA. SUVA has this to say,

Cycle Campaign
The long-term bicycle helmet campaign caused the helmet owner wearing rate to increase from below 5 percent (1994) to around 40 percent today, and the proportion of head and skull injuries in bicycle accidents to be be reduced. Now a change of direction is called for.

While still wearing the helmet is still imperative. New but safe travel is at the heart of the campaign.

Safely through the roundabout: Over the middle.
With optimal bike handling, accidents - especially collisions - do not happen. To achieve this, the Suva is in this yeaar and next year to focus on safe driving in roundabouts.

http://www.suva.ch/startseite-suva/praevention-suva/sichere-freizeit-suva/velohelm-kampagne-suva/velohelme-zubehoer-bestellen-suva.htm

http://www.suva.ch/english/startseit...en-en-suva.htm

http://www.suva.ch/english/startseit...it-en-suva.htm
I agree. If you don't know how to drive in roundabouts, a helmet might be a good idea.
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Re: Cycling helmets for children are still not compulsory!!

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I agree. If you don't know how to drive in roundabouts, a helmet might be a good idea.
I think it would be better to get off and walk in that case.

I treat roundabouts like I would in a car and get in the middle of the relevant 'car' lane before entering it and use plenty of hand signals.

I also under no circumstances go up the right side of a truck or bus (whether there's a right turn it might take or not).

Some simple road craft will keep you safe.
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