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Old 19.06.2012, 21:33
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Fair enough, each to their own and all that.

It was just amusing to me as it was probably the best example of someone not understanding exactly what a life coach is/does, and thus your rationale for selecting one based on your criteria was brilliantly outrageous.
I know exactly what a life coach is, like I said my ex-wife has a degree in psychology and did a lot of training to be a life coach before turning her back on it. My point was how can you help somebody else find answers when you never had to find any yourself?
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I know exactly what a life coach is, like I said my ex-wife has a degree in psychology and did a lot of training to be a life coach before turning her back on it. My point was how can you help somebody else find answers when you never had to find any yourself?
Actually, this is a pretty good point. Unfortunately or fortunately I have had some tough life experiences that have been very important in my coaching. By the way I am still finding answers and hopefully will continue to do so.

There is a quote that comes to mind Caveat Emptor(buyer beware) If anyone is thinking of getting a coach , they should ask as many questions as they want. Actually we should be asking questions of any person we are looking for help from and that includes doctors. I degree does not mean or guarantee that someone is good at what they do.
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I know exactly what a life coach is, like I said my ex-wife has a degree in psychology and did a lot of training to be a life coach before turning her back on it. My point was how can you help somebody else find answers when you never had to find any yourself?
But then we get into the discussion of the differences between a COACH and a MENTOR.

My personal definition is that a coach is someone who provides me with a training program and pushes me through this program, with a clear goal in mind - just like the coach of a sports team has a training program designed to improve the team's performance so that they win more games.

A mentor, on the other hand, is someone who I turn to when I need advice or inspiration - a wise person who can offer advice and help to guide me through some difficult situations.

In summary, a coach pushes while a mentor guides.

I wish I would have had a mentor available when I was starting out in my career - I would probably have still ended up where I am today, but the road could have been a bit less bumpy at times.
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Old 20.06.2012, 01:13
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"Life" coaches are coaches. Like sports or media coaches. "Life" is of course an all encompassing term and less specific.

Many highly qualified and experienced executives, politicians, business owners and sportsmen -even bankers and photogrphers - use coaches to help them achieve more success (eg at work "executive coaching"), or in their private sphere, or both. This is the case in most of the large multinationals in Switzerland, and also many Swiss companies. While often companies pay for this, just as often individuals pay it themselves so they can address development needs they've identified that they need to resolve to move forward/up.

Sometimes it's focused, like for a top sportsman, or a voice coach for singers, or a communications coach to assist with media/staff/clients. Often it starts with one issue, and turns out to be another ie a marriage/health/personal problem instead of a work problem. A coach doesn't know more on the issue eg at work, than the client, but is helpful to the client in drawing out the issues as well as the answers. People often know the answer but cant move forward or pinpoint it or think of it due to a fear, or gremlin, or blockage. A coach listens and reflects back.

In Switzerland anyone can call themselves a coach but without adequate experience or referrals would struggle to find clients - due to the sceptism you've highlighted in these posts. In Switzerland it is still relatively new. In other countries eg US and AUS it is well established and there are recognised professional qualifications and certifications. These provide the coach with tools and structure. Clearly the CV of the coach matters.

I have received and provided coaching services. I can highly recommend it if you need/want/are ready/need impetus/motivation/inspiration/coaching to actively move forward in your life - but it's always a commitment of time and energy and cash. You have to want it. You have to want change in order to achieve it. Marshall Goldsmith is a coach: his book "what got you here won't get you there". He earns millions providing coaching services. I guess he could've answered any question at any party.

And to find a good one? While the profession is still new, I'd go with asking for referrals. Ask around, you'd be surprised how many of you have done it! Look around at the people who've achieved something awesome lately (a life changing decision eg changed job/partner/country, a promotion, first marathon, new company/entrepreneur - maybe all those things at once).

Maybe they had a coach :-)

Awesome people often do.

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I agree with this and would add another suggestion: try out several different coaches. Like many areas in life, 'formal education' is not necessarily a good indicator of how good the coach is. Your first coach might be terrible, but you wouldn't know any better as you have nothing to compare them to.

Any decent coach will normally offer an free introductory session: both as a way to attract new business, but also to make sure you can work together as it is a strongly personal activity and so you have to get on well with your coach, or at least be able to work well with them.
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Old 20.06.2012, 11:41
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Re: Was I rude to ask a Life Coach why they were qualified for the job? ?

I have read the responses to this thread with interest, as I have made the decision to become a "Life Coach" and have recently started my business here in Zurich. I am amazed by the general level of hostility towards this profession.

Coaching is a valid profession which helps the "client" to achieve "Excellence" or to reach their potential. For example, most well known athletes use coaches to strive for improvement and it is often to overcome mental barriers. The same goes for "career coaching" which aims to assist the person to achieve their desired career goal, but encouraging the person to set goals and identify their own way to success. Coaching is about providing a sounding board for clients to ask questions and find the solutions within themselves. A COACH WILL NEVER TELL A CLIENT WHAT TO DO!

The same goes for "Life Coaching" - it is about working with clients through their personal issues and challenges to find solutions which allows them to move forward with their lives.

Some of the most successful people in business, sports and politics have personal coaches.

If you want to know more about "Life Coaching" - please contact me.

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Old 20.06.2012, 12:22
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Some of the most successful people in business, sports and politics have personal coaches.
Sorry, but just because someone is successful in business or *gasp* politics, it doesn't make them any less human (in other words, they are just as crazy as your or I).

Many of the top Hollywood stars have subscribed to Scientology - although they are at the top of their profession, they still suffer from insecurities, and this is exactly the type of person that Scientology seeks.

One day several years ago, a Scientologist was out trying to "convert" people in Basel. Knowing what I do about the organization, I went along and agreed to take their "survey/questionnaire". It was obvious that they were looking for insecure people - those who have trouble making decisions or asserting themselves. As expected, as soon as they had analysed my survey, I was shown the door - I have waaay too much self-confidence for them.

On the other hand, as a management-level consultant, I am also a kind of professional coach for my customers. I provide them with ideas and act as a sounding board for their ideas, providing additional input so that they can present a more complete concept to their management. The difference is that I limit my consulting to the fields where I have professional experience - information systems, quality systems, project and program management, etc. If my customer wants to talk to me about his divorce or the difficulty or raising his kids, I'm happy to listen - having gone through a divorce myself, I can offer some life experience. But I wouldn't ever put that on my business card...
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Sorry, but just because someone is successful in business or *gasp* politics, it doesn't make them any less human (in other words, they are just as crazy as your or I).

Many of the top Hollywood stars have subscribed to Scientology - although they are at the top of their profession, they still suffer from insecurities, and this is exactly the type of person that Scientology seeks.

One day several years ago, a Scientologist was out trying to "convert" people in Basel. Knowing what I do about the organization, I went along and agreed to take their "survey/questionnaire". It was obvious that they were looking for insecure people - those who have trouble making decisions or asserting themselves. As expected, as soon as they had analysed my survey, I was shown the door - I have waaay too much self-confidence for them.

On the other hand, as a management-level consultant, I am also a kind of professional coach for my customers. I provide them with ideas and act as a sounding board for their ideas, providing additional input so that they can present a more complete concept to their management. The difference is that I limit my consulting to the fields where I have professional experience - information systems, quality systems, project and program management, etc. If my customer wants to talk to me about his divorce or the difficulty or raising his kids, I'm happy to listen - having gone through a divorce myself, I can offer some life experience. But I wouldn't ever put that on my business card...
....and ladies, hear this. He is single, enjoys romantic walks on the beach, hates football and loves to cook!! For more on our elligible bachelor, we'll be right back after the commercial break here at "Change of heart - The "my coach is a life coach episode"!
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Coaching has been around Switzerland for a fairly longtime. It started here about 10 or 11 years ago. I have been a coach for 14 years here.

The reason why coaching may have a bad reputation is that there are some very not good coaches around just like any other profession.

Also many coaches work on their own and can market quite agressively which may rub some people the wrong way.

But there are many coaches who are doing a great service to society. Unfortunately many people are not getting the "training" necessary to acquire skills in how to get along either at home or in our educational systems.

In addition although we have much new media to comunicate there are very few opportunities to really talk about feelings and get objective feed back. In some places talking about feelings is seen as a weakness. This forum can be a perfect example of this. Lastly people are not allowed to admit to mistakes.

So when you talk to cvoach you hav an opportunity to unload and learn.
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Re: Was I rude to ask a Life Coach why they were qualified for the job? ?

I guess there is a case for a "Life Coach", someone who can help you set up goals and guide you towards achieving them. It seems fairly general but I guess every Life Coach has certain specialities and you gotta pick and choose for something that matches your profile.

Would the average Joe pay for it though? I personally don't think so, but I guess the target market for this niche profession is not the average Joe.
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I am amazed by the general level of hostility towards this profession.
Hi,

as I am one of the guys making sarcastic comments: I am not at all hostile against coaching. But I think I am not the only one who has made negative experiences with the topic as most people on here are working professionals - and pretty much all companies have some sort of workshops or team events that include coaching. I believe the topic here was not if coaching is good or bad - but much more what makes a good coach vs a bad one. And I will simply give you two examples I have experienced myself:

- I was once part of an team event where my manager for some reason picked "team work" and "feedback" as the topic and hired some coach to have some workshop with us. The guy was some ex radio host without any experience in larger organisations, but has been to a few NLP workshops too many... in short: The problems we had were organisational, not personal... A person that has never had to find his way through the bureaucracy and matrix organisation crap we had cannot tell us how to work more productively in a team. Nothing against NLP, but you will not overcome badly set up organisations with "framing". We spend two days talking a lot of hot air and the coach asked fairly personal and intrusive questions in front of my work colleagues... I have no problem to be open to that level of coaching in another setting but there it was completely off. All in all a horrible experience and half of the team complained to the boss afterwards. That means a lot in the company I was with as normally my Swiss colleagues would rather duck and shut up...

- I was once "made redundant"... and got a package that consisted not only of cash but some career coaching. This ranged from hands on "how to optimize your CV" over interview preparation and training all the way to some very deep coaching on what choices I will want to make in my career. The guy who coached me was very experienced, did this job for some years and before that worked in HR, so really had a lot of competence to coach on recruiting processes as well. For me an extremely valuable experience and I am thankful for my ex-employer to have paid for it.

In short did the coach the OP meet not sound like the type I made my positive experience with - he could tell you in a second how happy and indeed proud he was about his career choice. He could also tell you why he is more than competent to do what he does... and give some examples of success stories.
As a coach yourself - if somebody would ask you why you decided to become a coach: Would you know a good answer or run away and complain later on what a jerk the OP was?

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I guess it is as valid as anyone wants to make it. I do not know anyone who has a life coach, I know a few politicians that have consultants who help them how to achieve their goals, I just personally dislike the title life coach, wtf is that supposed to mean? and how idiotic do you have to be to hire someone for (what I am guessing are) astronomical amounts of money to tell you stuff you already know but refuse to acknowledge...I understand psychologists, psychiatrists, motivation speakers and health coaches, but life coach? And this is MY OPINION is utter non-sense.
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Old 20.06.2012, 13:10
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Re: Was I rude to ask a Life Coach why they were qualified for the job? ?

I think one of the biggest reasons there is hostilitity and skepticism around life coaches or "coaches" in general, is the very fact that people often fail to recongise any issues with themselves. People are too proud, or feel their flaws or ways are who they are and what makes them. Likewise, when that person is being "coached" by someone who doesnt know them or experienced what they have ego kicks in. "Who are you to tell me..."

I guess all that is true to a certain extent and a coach will be no use to a person who is unable and unwilling to take the coaching on board.

People with the attitude of:

You are only in yor mid - late 20s
You have never had to struggle
Have you been in an earthquake
Were you made redundant
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fail to realise what a coach is, which is why I have found this thread hilarious and crazy given some of the replies, and some of the most hostile replies have given out strong signals of the people who would probably benefit most from coaching but fall into the above mentioned category of people who would be too stuck up their own backsides to reap any reward from it because they are unwilling to take any of it on board.

A coach is someone who takes stock of a situation, a personality, mannerisms, how they come across, how they want to come across, assesses goals and routines and suggests solutions and ideas to combat the hurldes they see or potentially do not see in their life.

Sure, people often know their flaws and could resolve them themselves. But often it takes a complete stranger, a non-friend or non- colleague/employee to say, for example, "hey, you know you are actually quite aggressive in your assertions. Have you considered trying......"

So, you do not necessarily need to have been through life struggles, have a degree, or been around the block a few times to claim to be a life coach. Likewise, individuals shouldnt distance themselves from someone claiming to be a life coach becuase their life hasnt involved as much turmoil as the person they are trying to coach. This completely misses the point.

A coach is someone who has talent, courage, creativity and ideas, and an ability to communicate and get through to people in a way as to guide them to potentially improve their life, their career, and be reminded or told of the manner in which they are projecting themselves should that projection not be in line with what the indvidual themselves is trying to achieve.
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I am amazed by the general level of hostility towards this profession.
Me too.

For me a coach is the grandmother I once had but who unfortunately died before I got to an age where I needed some sound advice from someone who could see things a bit different than myself.

When my family broke up (divorce) I was "face down emptier than zero" (guess from which song this quote is and I will by the first correct answer a been....no...not you Assassin )....Anyhow...a total stranger to me stepped forward and gave me a helping hand to see stuff I couldn't see and find answers I couldn't find myself. That person is a coach by education/training and I am forever gratefull for her guidance.

When a coach decide to call him/herself a lifecoach I see it at marketing but I don't add too much value to it. Life is what we all experience between birth and death and I don't think anyone would try to sell "before and after life coaching" so what else is left....LifeCoaching !!
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Re: Was I rude to ask a Life Coach why they were qualified for the job? ?

A coach is there to give feedback. Many people (as described by JordanBarrZurich86) cannot be honest with themselves, and deny their liabilities etc. I totally agree with this, where we differ though is that in order to give feedback the coach needs to listen to the client and using their own experience guide the client. We only have our own experiences, we cannot share other peoples, we learn from what happened to us and what we did or didn't do.

If a coach hasn't experienced much, then he/she can listen but not really guide because they lack real world feedback.

Feedback is the key to coaching, and a coach who doesn't have anything to feed back to the client shouldn't be coaching.
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Re: Was I rude to ask a Life Coach why they were qualified for the job? ?

I think the "hostilities" are due to this hint of arrogance that you get from a title such as "Life Coach"... My first impression was something along the lines of "How can anyone on earth claim to be a Life Coach?" I mean this person's job is basically to show you how to live your life. Of course as you dig deeper you find that what's mostly out there is basically a "Personal Advisor / Psychologist" who would help you through to overcome problems / hurdles you might be facing professionally or in your personal life.

So the hostilities are not baseless but are a natural reaction to an arrogant job title IMHO.
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What she called Janet?
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What she called Janet?
The "Janet" you mention is not the same person, I am definitely not someone's girlfriend and if someone asked me about my profession I would be delighted to share with them the different ways that coaching may help people move forward in life.

I do hold a Coaching certification, and I am also a certified NLP Practitioner, as well as having travelled the world extensively, had a roller coaster life, had a diversity career background, and been married for 15 years... and besides that I am doing a role which I am passionate about, because I want my people to get the best out of their lives, to reach their potential, to be happy... and seeing them succeed provides me with great job satisfaction... I love my job!

If you do want to know more about coaching.. come along to an Open Day (see event schedule) or email me for a private appt. After all what have you got to lose...

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this "profession" is too broad...there are specialist for certain areas which can support a person, so I can't take this "profession" serious...

http://www.thesharkguys.com/lists/to...s-professions/

http://www.bigtop10.com/the-top-10-u...less-jobs.html


...don't get too upset people, there are also a lot of people that don't take my profession serious...
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