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Old 02.07.2012, 16:59
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Re: People driving around honking their horn after Euro Cup wins

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Well it's over.

Now that the Spanish people have "celebrated" the victory of their life, of their national team, of their beloved country.... They can come back to reality.

Dreaming of the football player's massive salaries when their country is in deep troubles, struggling to find a declared job in Spain, Youth Unemployment above 50%, banks about to bankrupt...
I think general statements like this usually don't work.

As Spaniard, I can tell that most of the people yesterday in Langstrasse were not spaniards, as some arriving cars I saw when leaving at 23.45.

and regarding country reality, Spaniards here don't see / don't have the reality you are talking about. Basically because they are here, so sad as this, I think.

I don't agree with this celebrating way, disturb others while celebrating should by default take out half of the good mood.

But why is the Police not saying anything? not stopping the disturbing after a "prudential" celebration time? they were there... just to cut the street?

I'm a footbal fan, but with "touch of reality" too. Salaries are huge, yes (as for actors, for instance), it's a corrupted sport, yes (as so many others and so many companies, goverments, ...), and it's only a "sport", yes again.

so after an hour of celebrations, I had nothing else to do there. I had to wake up today at 6.00, to come back to my miserable job and my miserable salary
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Old 02.07.2012, 19:17
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There we go. All over now for another two years until the World Cup. let's face it, we live in a really peculiar World when we moan about a few supportes celebrating a footy match blaring horns, when in some countries around the the planet people are kept awake, in fear, by bombs!
Sounds like what I tell my children when they don't want to finish their food. However, we are not children and if the rationale behind everything disturbing is that people have it worse elsewhere, then I guess anything goes. When someone breaks my car window because they got a little too drunk, I should just smile and say, hey, it's ok, in other countries people have their windows broken by bombs.

Sorry, I still hate being woken up at 3am because of a football match. I suppose if my country were at war I would be a bit more understanding. But for a sport celebration. No.
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Re: People driving around honking their horn after Euro Cup wins

On the first night of the honking I did a google search regarding this phenomenon and found very little. After all's said and done I find this extensive thread on EF and wow...it's gratifying to know I'm not the only one who was frustrated, exhausted and ultimately out CHF 9 to get some earplugs for (some) relief. The parading around Lausanne was simply over the top. All I can say is I'm glad it's over for a while.
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But why is the Police not saying anything? not stopping the disturbing after a "prudential" celebration time? they were there... just to cut the street?

I think the issue was quite complex and based on reality:

-Cops are just working, they don't want to get into conflicts fueled by "football fans" (probably which could get aggressive in groups if you cross "one of them").
-Cops did not have the means to fine everyone
-Local cops did a big transgression which remained unnoticed, unpunished and ignored: they decided to "interpret the law" while their role is to enforce it. They decided that they will tolerate noises up to reasonable times after and only focus on dangerous behavior. For your information the head of police officially communicated that through the local press.

That creates 2 problems:
1) It's based on their interpretation (what means reasonnable, for a cop?)
2) They are not supposed to interpret the law.
An example showing why it's very wrong: you get mugged, you report it. There's a law about that and a procedure. The cop decide to interpret it and for any reasons decide they will not do anything about it. Well that's wrong because they are suppose to enforce that.


-Also they were "on their own", as far as I know the citizens have not made a big scandal about it, leaving the cops having to deal with that, their own ways.



Well I think if the government would have been proactive with that, they will be less problem. After all, is that not why we are paying them generously?

-Example: making a general announcement to the population explaining that these behaviors will be exceptionally tolerated but under control and rules: up to 1hour after the end of the game, specific areas, etc... It would also useful as instructions to the police forces so they don't interpret the law on their own.

-Planning the routes they can "celebrates" to avoid/limit nuisances to the population

-Offering a few "earplugs" even though, as I said earlier they are nearly inefficient and can bring nuisance on their own (look Wikipedia)

-Even considering allowing an hour "holiday" paid the working day after the final based on the fact that the workers had to be maintained awake late. It's really reasonable and not abusing: only the final, very small move.

-Etc...

Anyway, anything similar so we don't just suffer and witness the incapability to do anything about "gangs" of disturbing people, new powers from the police, law being ignored, being irritated and tired, stressed, etc...
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I think the issue was quite complex and based on reality:

-Cops are just working, they don't want to get into conflicts fueled by "football fans" (probably which could get aggressive in groups if you cross "one of them").
-Cops did not have the means to fine everyone
-Local cops did a big transgression which remained unnoticed, unpunished and ignored: they decided to "interpret the law" while their role is to enforce it. They decided that they will tolerate noises up to reasonable times after and only focus on dangerous behavior. For your information the head of police officially communicated that through the local press.
This is the real problem, and shows how powerless the local police are when dealing with the mob mentality. Look for this to get worse in the future if the local cops continue to officially endorse this behavior. Like everything else government->>citizen, if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. Then there will come a crackdown, and we'll all have to suffer the consequences.
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