There is a say in Germany among the Turkish community which says:

Give Istanbul to the Germans, they will make it efficient and clean. Give Berlin to the Turks and everything will start going wrong.

The whole reason I got hired and ended up in Zurich was because there was no-one here who could do my job, fancy that no-one local had the skills to do the job I'm doing WOW! who would ever believe that.

You must be speaking as a person who's never had to use a German, French or English motorway bog.

Yes, but as French-German, people said in France I am typically German and Germans said I am typically French. So frankly, perceptions are all so true to those who perceive and that 's fair enough.... but nothing beyond.

Fair enough...but you could leave and no one would miss you. I think Switzerland would get along just fine... You would have to be a fool to think otherwise

This is true but if I left they'd have to find yet another .... OMG ....... wait for it .................. foreigner to replace. Hmm can you see where we are going with this? lol

So, what do you care? Your point is mute...

I don't the fact of the matter is Switzerland needs foreigners lol

Now, your post have become nonsensical due to your damaged ego. This thread is about the Swiss and cleanliness, not about how insecure you are, thereby parading your need to inflate your own ego..... They come a dime a dozen like you in Switzerland

Apparently not lol

Everything is relative if you're able to make the connection, obviously you can't

I will repeat what I wrote previously here: They Come A Dime A Dozen Like You In Switzerland. <Yawn>

I think we are mixing up a fews things. How "clean" people keep their houses on a day to day basis, and the fact that during turnover the apartment is scrubbed clean (unless you accept to take it as is).

Also, old kitchens, etc are just that. It doesn't mean "unclean". I've seen a lot of spotless 60s toilets in my house hunting days!

Our house has an 80s kitchen that I would love to rip out. But that fact is it's pristine. (well, it was when we go it. ) I had someone over to get a quote to change the work tops and was like "why? It's in perfect condition". Which is true. It's just ugly.

I know plenty of Swiss people who live in "normal" states of cleanliness. IE, they aren't turning the apt over for inspection.

The issue of trash outside is a different issue.

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What's wrong with being dirty?

Depends how dirty.

I love to be very dirty

Of course I have. Some are better than others but have you ever been to an Indian public facility? The ones I have been to make the toilet out of Trainspotting look pristine.

I think, people like you should not travel to the developing countries. Some people get instant gratification in the poor plight of others(places n people) and it seems you are one of them. Do you have any idea what the volume of traffic the Indian trains handle? I guess it would be interesting to see how the developed countries would manage with similar number of people and same cultural complexities.

I have lived in Switzerland for six years and I completely agree with many other posters, that cleanliness is just not a Swiss thing, it is a personal trait, nothing to do with nationality.

PS : No need to travel to the cess point India again, you are not fit to nor invited.

Foreigners live in Switzerland in symbiosis with the Swiss nationals, they are not parasites. If you don't give respect you wont get it in return too.

It may come as a surprise to you, but showing "no respect" to the "environment" doesn't equal showing no respect to the houses people live in. I don't know how many private homes you've ever been visiting in the places you mention. Many countries just lack the necessary infrastructure for collecting the garbage at very regular times, or for properly disposing and managing the said garbage. If here or elsewhere in the Western world local authorities wouldn't spent so much money to effectively deal with this problem and clean the streats, I bet you'd soon come to the conclusion that human behaviour, especially in big crowds, it's pretty much the same everywhere.
I personally find the Swiss to be as clean as everyone else, but making a lot of fuss about their cleanliness...

Oh well, someone else mentioned the same things.

You refer here to the minority of smokers. The majority of NON-smokers detest cigarette butts, do not leave cigarette butts anywhere, see them, do not stand on them, and do not throw them as they have none.

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Those others already HAD a job. I fancy that they got the better jobs, and you simply were hired by a company who either did not pay enough or did not offer satisfactory conditions !