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You refer here to the minority of smokers. The majority of NON-smokers detest cigarette butts, do not leave cigarette butts anywhere, see them, do not stand on them, and do not throw them as they have none.
I don't know which Switzerland you are talking about but the Switzerland I live in is awash with discarded ciggy butts. They are mainly at tram/bus stops and if you look down onto the tracks at a railway station, where the street cleaner obviously can't reach, there are thousands of them.

Have a look around at Paradeplatz around 5.30 on any Friday afternoon. You can't say whether they are Swiss or otherwise but the common procedure is to depart the office, light up at the tram stop, smoke as much of it as you can before your tram arrives, flick away whatever is left as your tram arrives.
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I don't know which Switzerland you are talking about but the Switzerland I live in is awash with discarded ciggy butts. They are mainly at tram/bus stops and if you look down onto the tracks at a railway station, where the street cleaner obviously can't reach, there are thousands of them.

Have a look around at Paradeplatz around 5.30 on any Friday afternoon. You can't say whether they are Swiss or otherwise but the common procedure is to depart the office, light up at the tram stop, smoke as much of it as you can before your tram arrives, flick away whatever is left as your tram arrives.
I think that WE both speak about the same Switzerland, but "Wakers" does NOT ! Because "Wakers" speaks as if THE Swiss would do this and that. Look at realities
A) the number of discarded ciggy butts is less than 50% of what it used to be in the 1960ies
B) Paradeplatz ? Look around. The number of smokers is a small minority of less than 30% ! The result is what you say ! Where did the YES majorities in votes in Zürich come from ? I can tell you where. From the disgruntled majority of non-smokers who see what you mention on here. I for times regarded the Canton of Solothurn as a smokers canton and was nicely surprised when the voters there turned down a proposal of the smokers to drop the Cantonal anti-smoking law in favour of the weaker Federal law. I then was told in the area, that the rather narrow majority of Solothurnese non-smokers feared that things would go back to as before.
C) Yes, what you observe(d) is why the smokers here in Zürich abstained from launching something as silly as the smokers in Solothurn tried.
D) There as a result of all this, in some Cantons will be new law proposals to limit smoking even further. Which will increase the "smoking gap" between pro-smoking Cantons like Schwyz and anti-smoking Cantons like Zürich even further.
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Eh no, it's definitely Swiss people throwing the cigarette butts everywhere. Some foreigners too, but the Swiss smokers (are they really a minority? It seems that everyone we know smokes, bar one or two exceptions!) just drop them, throw them out of cars, throw them in a garden..anywhere but an ash tray!

Where my wife works, 90% of the workforce is Swiss. She works with 75 people, and she is one of 10 that don't smoke.

If you've managed to find a magical corner of Switzerland where not many people smoke, please do tell me where, I'd love to see it!

You know, stations here are worse than stations in England for cigarette butts. Considering that the population of the UK is 10x that than of Switzerland - that's quite bad!

Speaking of train stations - next time you're waiting for a train, look at how many people stand there smoking. If it's a minority, it's a very large one!
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Eh no, it's definitely Swiss people throwing the cigarette butts everywhere. Some foreigners too, but the Swiss smokers (are they really a minority? It seems that everyone we know smokes, bar one or two exceptions!) just drop them, throw them out of cars, throw them in a garden..anywhere but an ash tray!

Where my wife works, 90% of the workforce is Swiss. She works with 75 people, and she is one of 10 that don't smoke.

If you've managed to find a magical corner of Switzerland where not many people smoke, please do tell me where, I'd love to see it!

You know, stations here are worse than stations in England for cigarette butts. Considering that the population of the UK is 10x that than of Switzerland - that's quite bad!

Speaking of train stations - next time you're waiting for a train, look at how many people stand there smoking. If it's a minority, it's a very large one!
Agree with the comment above
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mhm, if thats the only complaint... ciggy butts at trainstations... i find most cities in western europe liveable and clean. and the level affected me very much, especially here in switzerland. if you look at all the facilities here provided for the public to use it is just amazing how well maintained it is! i cant name a place, maybe in singapore or munich, where kids (not all and maybe in too little numbers) throw their chewing gum in the bin but switzerland! rule of broken window seems never to have been the case here as from the mindset people always tried to keep CH on that clean level. just an assumption because i cant see that it could have been any different and than changed over the years so tremendously that it became a stereotype known worldwide: switzerland is clean. so to cut this short:

cleanliness depends on the individual not nationality. CH is on overall a tidy and clean place and some "rough" spots give certain places the mix. ciggy butts should be disgusting for smokers and non- smokers but to have the sterile feeling of singapore in eg zurich... it would terribly suck.
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Eh no, it's definitely Swiss people throwing the cigarette butts everywhere. Some foreigners too, but the Swiss smokers (are they really a minority? It seems that everyone we know smokes, bar one or two exceptions!) just drop them, throw them out of cars, throw them in a garden..anywhere but an ash tray!

Where my wife works, 90% of the workforce is Swiss. She works with 75 people, and she is one of 10 that don't smoke.

If you've managed to find a magical corner of Switzerland where not many people smoke, please do tell me where, I'd love to see it!

You know, stations here are worse than stations in England for cigarette butts. Considering that the population of the UK is 10x that than of Switzerland - that's quite bad!

Speaking of train stations - next time you're waiting for a train, look at how many people stand there smoking. If it's a minority, it's a very large one!
A) I above spoke about Swiss people ! Not about foreigners.
B) I cannot stop your wife working in a shitty company
C) In Switzerland, the NON-smokers and I here refer to the 20 to 80 years olds are a 65 to 70 percent majority, and this applies to both Swiss citizens and foreigners.
D) Rail stations in England ? Look, I have been in England often enough to state that your saying is rubbish. Unless of course you tell me that railstations Paddington, Victoria, Liverpool, King's Cross of London are not in England. And I do not quite see what the total population of a country has to do with the topic
E) a minority of 30% IS a large one, in fact a too large one
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I brought my dirty mind to this country, I got the dirty looks. Score so far: 1 - 1.
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A) I above spoke about Swiss people ! Not about foreigners.
B) I cannot stop your wife working in a shitty company
C) In Switzerland, the NON-smokers and I here refer to the 20 to 80 years olds are a 65 to 70 percent majority, and this applies to both Swiss citizens and foreigners.
D) Rail stations in England ? Look, I have been in England often enough to state that your saying is rubbish. Unless of course you tell me that railstations Paddington, Victoria, Liverpool, King's Cross of London are not in England. And I do not quite see what the total population of a country has to do with the topic
E) a minority of 30% IS a large one, in fact a too large one
I only lived in England for 24 years, so I guess I wouldn't know what the average train station looked like, would I? You mentioned the four biggest ones (pretty much) and the ones that are tourist-centric so obviously they'll be cleaned more than the average ones you come across in the UK.

Why are your posts always so aggravating and childish?
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the problem is that for some reasons the tracks are used as a public ash tray. everywhere and since ever. secondly the tracks are the hardest to clean and look disgusting full of butts. at paradeplatz yes, butts too but they get easier cleaned off. that theyre lying around though a couple of ashtrays do stand there... it is a bad habit that all smokers have to throw ciggs onto the ground, again it got nothing to do with nationalities. i think these 500$ fines per butt would settle into people and maybe stop them doing so. just curious as i havent paid attention much: swiss trainstations are not designated non-smoking areas, right? im just asking this as german stations are, people still smoke but the city order patrols to fine violators with 60€ it was i guess. it has not changed for the better on overall....
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Those others already HAD a job. I fancy that they got the better jobs, and you simply were hired by a company who either did not pay enough or did not offer satisfactory conditions !
That's quite laughable, my employer is world reknowned for looking after it's employees, as I previously stated I was hired as no one else had the skills. The same happens all over the world that's why foreigners end up working in other countries.
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I only lived in England for 24 years, so I guess I wouldn't know what the average train station looked like, would I? You mentioned the four biggest ones (pretty much) and the ones that are tourist-centric so obviously they'll be cleaned more than the average ones you come across in the UK.

Why are your posts always so aggravating and childish?
Train stations in England and Wales are quite clean nowadays as at the majority you're not allowed to smoke on the train platforms and there are designated shelter for those that smoke outside the station.

I'd agree that it seems that a lot of people do smoke here
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If one person's narrow minded opinion freaks you out and you want to make a thread about it, you must have been cruising through life in "easy mode" so far.
Could you try to be anymore patronising?
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The whole reason I got hired and ended up in Zurich was because there was no-one here who could do my job, fancy that no-one local had the skills to do the job I'm doing WOW! who would ever believe that.
Translation: No local wanted to do the job for that price.
I'm the first to admit that locals salary expectations are exagerated but even though on average foreigners residing in CH have higher salaries than the locals, they are still underpaid for their respective positions.
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Again: No local had the skills, that's what happens with global companies if you can find the talent locally import it. Of the 20+% of foreigners in CH I wonder what industries they mainly work in
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Again: No local had the skills, that's what happens with global companies if you can find the talent locally import it. Of the 20+% of foreigners in CH I wonder what industries they mainly work in
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I only lived in England for 24 years, so I guess I wouldn't know what the average train station looked like, would I? You mentioned the four biggest ones (pretty much) and the ones that are tourist-centric so obviously they'll be cleaned more than the average ones you come across in the UK.

Why are your posts always so aggravating and childish?
Alright, you may be right in regard to England, but I have lived in Switzerland for 62 years, and so I guess I know what I talk about. And whenever in London, as much as I love London, never had the impression that they were cleaned as much as you apparently think. Pubs in England which I saw in between 1971 and about 2000 always were incredibly smoke-filled, but simply realize that a 20% minority can turn a place into stinking like an ashtray !
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That's quite laughable, my employer is world reknowned for looking after it's employees, as I previously stated I was hired as no one else had the skills. The same happens all over the world that's why foreigners end up working in other countries.
Again, if somebody HAS the required skills but already HAS a satisfactory job, he/she will not apply.

And you profited from the fact that since about 2000, the babyboomer years people started to go into retirement and were only replaced locally for LESS than 60% ! Demography my dear Dr Watson ! Demography !

THIS is why Switzerland NEEDS immigrants.
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Again: No local had the skills, that's what happens with global companies if you can find the talent locally import it. Of the 20+% of foreigners in CH I wonder what industries they mainly work in
You wonder about it ? It is clear, the foreigners here work in all fields of the economy. The transport business for example is heavily manned by foreigners. The same applies for the gastronomy
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Again, if somebody HAS the required skills but already HAS a satisfactory job, he/she will not apply.
I'd have to disagree, the company I work for is what most people in my field aspire to work for. Again having seen the people I work with it is dominated by foreigners. Deal with it in I.T. you need highly regarded skills to be employed by big companies.
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You wonder about it ? It is clear, the foreigners here work in all fields of the economy. The transport business for example is heavily manned by foreigners. The same applies for the gastronomy
Yes of course I wonder as before arriving here I thought most of the jobs were finance based and in banking. Hence all the rhetoric you hear about Swiss banks and bank accounts.
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