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Old 15.07.2012, 18:42
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Re: Charming Swiss Police Behaviour...Again.

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So is it illegal to single out someone who is obviously not from this country? just asking, not trying to stir up a fight.
Not sure about the legalities but how do you think it is even possible to apply? There are plenty of people who don't "look Swiss" but were perhaps born here and/or hold the passport. I "look Swiss" but am British.
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Re: Charming Swiss Police Behaviour...Again.

reminds me of this...



I used to live in Austria, their police is always treating black people with suspicion.

The cartoon is based on this case: http://wiev1.orf.at/stories/124354

A guy named Bakary was almost beaten to death by 3 policemen for doing... nothing... they brought him to a former industrial site, beat him up and threatened to run over him with their policecar...
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Old 15.07.2012, 21:59
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Bakary a familiar name...
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Bakary a familiar name...
do you really judge a person by his/her name?
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do you really judge a person by his/her name?
From where I come from Bakary is a common name for males. But i couldn't read the article, from the link you provided. Was it in German ? Or?
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From where I come from Bakary is a common name for males. But i couldn't read the article, from the link you provided. Was it in German ? Or?
I guess, I interpreted your post wrongly. The text is in German indeed.
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Old 16.07.2012, 11:43
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Re: Charming Swiss Police Behaviour...Again.

It's the sign of the times.

15 years ago, I would have loved to have a good friend in the USA come and visit me. He's big, black and a college football star.

Now, I fear he'd be singled out by the police during any trips using public transportation. It would be humiliating for all of us, but especially him.

It's unfair but the police are reacting to profiling facts and not political correctness.
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Re: Charming Swiss Police Behaviour...Again.

Tagesanzeiger questions whether Swiss customs applies racial profiling (sorry, German only):
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/15305989
While an anonymous customs employee confirmed that appearance is a relevant factor in determining who is controlled, the spokesperson emphasized that this was a 'misunderstanding' and claimed that they cannot disclose the factors relevant for their risk profile.

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Old 16.07.2012, 14:55
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Please tell me that you're not implying that all persons of colour are "obviously not from" Switzerland?
We're talking about Sihlquai tram stop, remember, not an area known for speaking Rumantsch. If there is a person not able to understand the police when adressed in German, and that person is furthermore of colour, are you telling me those circumstzances are not a likely indicator the person might be foreign? Is it racist to make such an assumption?
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Old 16.07.2012, 14:58
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It's the sign of the times.

15 years ago, I would have loved to have a good friend in the USA come and visit me. He's big, black and a college football star.

Now, I fear he'd be singled out by the police during any trips using public transportation. It would be humiliating for all of us, but especially him.

It's unfair but the police are reacting to profiling facts and not political correctness.
Hint: Don't believe everything you hear on EF. Switzerland is probably more open and welcoming now than it was 15 years ago.
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We're talking about Sihlquai tram stop, remember, not an area known for speaking Rumantsch. If there is a person not able to understand the police when adressed in German, and that person is furthermore of colour, are you telling me those circumstzances are not a likely indicator the person might be foreign? Is it racist to make such an assumption?
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Well then I must have a Babel Fish in my ear, as I heard one of them say quite clearly in English "why are you checking us?"
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Do you have any idea how many policemen in Brazil will speak German, or even English?
I doubt many policemen in Brazil know German, but if a non-white Swiss citizen was stopped by the police in Rio de Janiero (the second largest city in Brazil and host of the 2014 World Cup final as well as the 2016 summer Olympics) and asked in English "What's going on? Why are you checking me?", there would be an uproar in the Swiss newspapers if the cops made no attempt to even call a translator or the Swiss consulate.

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Old 18.07.2012, 07:54
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I doubt many policemen in Brazil know German, but if a non-white Swiss citizen was stopped by the police in Rio de Janiero (the second largest city in Brazil and host of the 2014 World Cup final as well as the 2016 summer Olympics) and asked in English "What's going on? Why are you checking me?", there would be an uproar in the Swiss newspapers if the cops made no attempt to even call a translator or the Swiss consulate.
Says the guy who's never read a Swiss newspaper in his entire life.
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Old 18.07.2012, 13:14
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Says the guy who's never read a Swiss newspaper in his entire life.
Pardon me for assuming that Swiss people would actually care if their countrymen were mistreated because of their race in another country. My bad. I stand corrected.
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Re: Charming Swiss Police Behaviour...Again.

I don't like profiling, but...if the hypothetical Swiss tourists I talked about found out that somebody had been stabbed in Rio and the police were looking for a dark-skinned foreigner that met their general description, they might cut the cops a little slack. But if on the other hand they aren't given any information and they have every reason to think the cops are just singling out dark-skinned foreigners for no reason whatsoever, they would have every reason to be angry.

This isn't an apology, but context is important.
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Old 19.07.2012, 11:28
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I don't like profiling, but...if the hypothetical Swiss tourists I talked about found out that somebody had been stabbed in Rio and the police were looking for a dark-skinned foreigner that met their general description, they might cut the cops a little slack. But if on the other hand they aren't given any information and they have every reason to think the cops are just singling out dark-skinned foreigners for no reason whatsoever, they would have every reason to be angry.

This isn't an apology, but context is important.
Excuse me kind sir, but I just happened to notice you like a bit like a dangerous criminal whom it is my pleasure to be pursuing, so if you are not that person, would you be so kind as to graciously show me your papers, and if you are that person, would you be so kind as to not shoot me too much?

Now try saying that in a foreign language.
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Excuse me kind sir, but I just happened to notice you like a bit like a dangerous criminal whom it is my pleasure to be pursuing, so if you are not that person, would you be so kind as to graciously show me your papers, and if you are that person, would you be so kind as to not shoot me too much?

Now try saying that in a foreign language.
In German:
Entschuldigen Sie bitte mein Herr, aber ich konnte nicht umhin zu bemerken, dass Sie ein wenig einem gefährlichen Kriminellen ähneln, den ich mit grossem Vergnügen zu verfolgen habe. Falls Sie nicht diese Person sind, bitte ich Sie um die Freundlichkeit, mir Ihren Ausweis zu zeigen. Falls Sie jedoch die gesuchte Person sind, bitte ich Sie, nicht allzu kräftig auf mich zu schiessen.
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...It's unfair but the police are reacting to profiling facts and not political correctness...
"profiling facts"...more like "good old hill billy racism"...

The swiss police are not very professional and are quite lazy...if they can't filter out "real" tourists from "criminal" tourists why bother...they can't just go "berserk" among non-Caucasians and hope to find "something"...the same thing happens at the boarder control and the ZH airport...

probably the same "policemen" that are checking the parking meters...
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One of the side effects of a low crime country: Bored police.
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Jeez, cut leafy some slack!
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