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Old 03.08.2012, 11:33
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Re: Cyclists who don't use cycle lanes

Can anybody verify this?

A Swiss friend of mine mentioned that cyclists are not allowed to overtake (or rather undertake) a car on the right side if there is no cycle lane and the car is moving at the time.

I often have this situation (particularly at Goldbach tram stop) when I drive through there (in my car). As I usually slow down (due to the numerous pedestrian crossings) and often have cyclists suddenly driving up the inside squeezing through between me and the curb.

Couldn't find anything in the link in this regard...
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It is? Were you trying to turn right at the time? Not right into the path of both cyclists I hope? And if he "overtook" you, how slow were you driving?

From this description, it sounds like you were the hazard, not him. Perhaps some re-wording is required.
Let me rephrase this, I went onto the bridge and as I was driving at 50 Kph (give or take 2 km) the guy just popped in front of me as I was coming...I used the term overtook in a sarcastic way. I had to break and honk...
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Old 03.08.2012, 12:42
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Let me rephrase this, I went onto the bridge and as I was driving at 50 Kph (give or take 2 km) the guy just popped in front of me as I was coming...I used the term overtook in a sarcastic way. I had to break and honk...
Ok, fair enough...

But he is entitled to overtake slow moving traffic. Just as you, as a car, are allowed to overtake tractors. You wouldn't complain if a car in front of you pulled out to overtake the tractor in exactly the same manner surely? Ie you wouldn't have tried to overtake both the car and the tractor in one move? The same rules of anticipation apply.

There is something to be said for the "indication" of course...maybe the cyclist had left his BMW at home that day..
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Why do about 80% of cyclists think that regulations (red lights, give way signs) don't apply to them? .
Here's another road statistic:

99% of BMW drivers drive like d1cks.

I made mine up too but there's just a bit more truth in it than compared with yours
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Here's another road statistic:

99% of BMW drivers drive like d1cks.

I made mine up too but there's just a bit more truth in it than compared with yours
If you'd been ripped off by BMW, you'd probably be in a bad mood everytime you drove too...

http://www.thelocal.ch/page/view/3388
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Re: Cyclists who don't use cycle lanes

Seems I was unspecific in my original post. I live in the country and we get a whole lot of bikling types. There are designated lanes for said biklers, which I appreciate, as I use them to avoid the dangers of the road.

My question is why, with these tailor-made lanes, do cyclists still persist in using the road? To me it seems to put all tarmac users at risk. I am simply trying to understand - I used to have a pop at them for daft clothes and ridiculous sunglasses, until someone put me right regarding the reasons.
But I still don't get why they use the road.
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Old 10.08.2012, 00:24
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99% of BMW drivers drive like d1cks.
Bikes, cars, or both?

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I'm sure you all speak German:

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/7/741.01.de.pdf

Art.46.1

(Looks like I'm the only one who can actually be bothered to type the relevant search terms into Google...)
Alright. As you can see, bicycles are allowed on all roads generally open for private traffic. Exceptions like federal highways in fact are clearly marked.
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Art.46
1 Radfahrer müssen die Radwege und -streifen benützen

and whilst we're at it, cyclists are also prohibited from riding two-abreast (some exceptions are foreseen) (art. 46.2)

Once more, I don't think these rules are particularly conducive to safe travel however they are the law here.

EDIT and I'm a little surprised that several people are clamouring for references - surely you have all read the Swiss highway code in order to familiarise yourselves with the rules and regulations here in Switzerland
But you as a cyclist have not to use "Radwege" if they do not lead towards your destination (sufficient basis in ZGB and Strassenverkehrsgesetz). At worst, you can step down and walk through a critical sector.
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Re: Cyclists who don't use cycle lanes

Its funny because I am guilty of the opposite. When ever I have to work really hard to pass some guy (or a team of guys) on his bike I speed past them, in vein, only to be stopped by a traffic light.

So I do the logical thing and pull my car over as far-right as I can so they cant get their slow asses infront of me again. I cant spend all day playing fartlick with the guy.
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Re: Cyclists who don't use cycle lanes

Ha ha..... In Germany that statistic would be for Porsche drivers. No matter how fast youre going, they still flash their brights, begging you to get out of the way.

And in France. 100% of all drivers are kunts, no matter what they drive! Ive even been honked at while filling my car up with gas. Apparently the gas should have come out faster and it was my fault?



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99% of BMW drivers drive like d1cks.

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Why do about 80% of cyclists think that regulations (red lights, give way signs) don't apply to them? Cycle paths are just part of that. Legally, if there is a cycle path, cyclists are supposed to use it, but then they're supposed to stop at red lights too.
80% can you backup that number?

I heard many times the same lies, how cyclist are not respectful, etc...
Cyclist are always the bad ones because they disturb cars (the road kings, the rich version, the superior protecting box) and walkers (the side road and crossing anywhere kings, the fighter for freedom and liberty who have the right to cross anywhere and hate cyclists).

Anyway, prove your point.
PS: hint: a crash on the road will probably always lead to injuries or worse, so I doubt that so many cyclists are total idiots.

But maybe you meant to say that 80% of the time you don't pay attention and that once you see one, it counts as 100% of your statistics?
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Seems I was unspecific in my original post. I live in the country and we get a whole lot of bikling types. There are designated lanes for said biklers, which I appreciate, as I use them to avoid the dangers of the road.

My question is why, with these tailor-made lanes, do cyclists still persist in using the road? To me it seems to put all tarmac users at risk. I am simply trying to understand - I used to have a pop at them for daft clothes and ridiculous sunglasses, until someone put me right regarding the reasons.
But I still don't get why they use the road.
It's been replied earlier.
Read the answers instead of "having questions" and not looking for answers!

Most often the "special path" are full of glass, sh1t, that comes from dumb drivers (throwing from window) or walkers. And yet the blame is going to the cyclist...

Also, quite often the lane is near the parking cars and drivers have the skill to open their door without looking (= a hit and crash for the cyclist).

I used the lanes when available, but they are not the "prime" road one would think, more like the garbage lane.
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Its funny because I am guilty of the opposite. When ever I have to work really hard to pass some guy (or a team of guys) on his bike I speed past them, in vein, only to be stopped by a traffic light.

So I do the logical thing and pull my car over as far-right as I can so they cant get their slow asses infront of me again. I cant spend all day playing fartlick with the guy.
That sort of behaviour really gets on my wick.
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Hear, hear!

Easy fix though - just pass on the left, then park yourself right in front of them. Then take a *really long time* getting your feet back in the pedals...

Though he might joking.
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Hear, hear!

Easy fix though - just pass on the left, then park yourself right in front of them. Then take a *really long time* getting your feet back in the pedals...
Years of riding in the UK and having one or two 'disagreements' with motorists has lead me to be wary of antagonising a car driver who's shortly going to be passing me.

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Though he might joking.
The thought did occur to me, but if so it's very well disguised.
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Can anybody verify this?

A Swiss friend of mine mentioned that cyclists are not allowed to overtake (or rather undertake) a car on the right side if there is no cycle lane and the car is moving at the time.

I often have this situation (particularly at Goldbach tram stop) when I drive through there (in my car). As I usually slow down (due to the numerous pedestrian crossings) and often have cyclists suddenly driving up the inside squeezing through between me and the curb.

Couldn't find anything in the link in this regard...
This simply is wrong. As a cyclist you ARE allowed to overtake a car on the right side always. The only thing is that you have to be certain to have enough space.

THIS aspect already was evident in the 1960ies and never changed

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Its funny because I am guilty of the opposite. When ever I have to work really hard to pass some guy (or a team of guys) on his bike I speed past them, in vein, only to be stopped by a traffic light.

So I do the logical thing and pull my car over as far-right as I can so they cant get their slow asses infront of me again. I cant spend all day playing fartlick with the guy.
Bad for you. Why ? Because cyclists according to the Strassenverkehrsgesetz also can overtake a waiting car on the left if there is no space on the right and even are allowed to take space which normally would be yours. The reason for this is that it is assumed that to start a bycicle takes a bit less time than to start a car. You ought to realize that the laws were devised more than 50 or 60 or 80 years ago, and most were never changed since WWII !!
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When Saint Peter confronts me on this, at the gates of heaven upon my death, I shall have some explaining to do......

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Bad for you. Why ? Because cyclists according to the Strassenverkehrsgesetz also can overtake a waiting car on the left if there is no space on the right and even are allowed to take space which normally would be yours. !!
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