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Re: Is Swiss culture the rudest you have encountered?

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But you know that Swiss see Germans as very uneducated and rude persons don't you?
Yes, and while these generalisations are a little unfair, as a whole they are right!

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But its sinking in why, you are just a lot more used to being that way towards people. Its fine.
Give me at least credit for having understood that you do not do Swiss bashing at all but ask a question about your perceptions. You take it as a factual observation whereas an observation by definition is only a perception. Fine, why not.
However: I have never said that I liked or even was like that, you assumed it based on the only knowledge that I am French-German. What if I told you that I was outraged at Norwegians not letting anybody out of the subway before entering during years?! That doesn't mean I find them rude. By their own standard, I know they are not being rude by doing so. I still find it personally stupid but I don't blame it on culture. I know I have no chance to get anywhere by judging a whole country based on my personal beliefs. You and I are equally irritated by this same behaviour, but react differently. Nothing surprising, you are you, I am I.
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Not sure why it's so difficult for you to understand to make such bizarre statements.

The thing is, I can accept London for its flaws but yes when I worked there fir 9 years I can't see I encountered the stupidity and ignorance of the people. Those that got it wrong were the foreigners / tourists in my experience.

Now i am a foreigner here, and I am happy to adapt as I have said several times, if that means being a tad inconsiderate and selfish that's fine. I will still move our the way for people trying to get off of public transport cause I am not stupid and inconsiderate. But I won't try an squeeze through a tiny gap people sometimes leave when I get off, I will pretend they are not there and see what happens.

I will join a que and pay for my goods at any point I see fit. I will adapt to what I see every day and many others according to a lot of others in the thread too. I also still like the country like many others too, as I have said, several times etc etc
Oh I see ! Those who oppose ways in London are foreigners and of course are wrong !
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Old 20.08.2012, 00:14
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Give me at least credit for having understood that you do not do Swiss bashing at all but ask a question about your perceptions. You take it as a factual observation whereas an observation by definition is only a perception. Fine, why not.
However: I have never said that I liked or even was like that, you assumed it based on the only knowledge that I am French-German. What if I told you that I was outraged at Norwegians not letting anybody out of the subway before entering during years?! That doesn't mean I find them rude. By their own standard, I know they are not being rude by doing so. I still find it personally stupid but I don't blame it on culture. I know I have no chance to get anywhere by judging a whole country based on my personal beliefs. You and I are equally irritated by this same behaviour, but react differently. Nothing surprising, you are you, I am I.
No, evidently not just my perceptions. Please see other comments. Strangely, I am not alone. It seems to be fairly common. However, there are many other great things here before you get upset.

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Oh I see ! Those who oppose ways in London are foreigners and of course are wrong !
Kind of taken out of context, but hey, nevermind. That comment pertained to general etiquette that is followed / politeness / respect, and when it wasnt generally resulted in a confrontation where foreigner, tourist, whatever would be corrected how things are done there.

Again, I am happy to be the opposite, I just find it a bit, inconsiderate. But its fine cant beat them join them. If it means only caring about yourself then makes ones life easier doesnt it.
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Why not order a book, then you could educate yourself...


...unless that is, showing off your ignorance is a point of pride for you.
just trying to spice things up a little after Page 8. you know, "spice", it's what all those English cooks are so well-known for.

thanks, I'll be here all week, be sure to tip your waitstaff.



btw, I have not found the locals in the Zurich area to be any more or less "rude" than people anywhere else. passive aggressive to a fault, even by US midwesterner standards, yes - but hardly "rude".
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Re: Is Swiss culture the rudest you have encountered?

Invariably, I get introduced as "Tom the American" (as no-one can fathom the roots of my accent), at which point I always point out "ex-American"

But only by Italians, never by Swiss.

Hell, my wife thinks that my mother tongue is "Americano", even when spoken by Richard Burton!

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sorry, should have been more precise, how about "English" food?
I don't know why anyone has bothered to bite on this comment. People are unapologetically rude about British/English/UK food, even though they have probably never tried it to any meaningful degree. It's like people feel they would lose face if they admitted that perhaps they found something enjoyable about British food, worrying their friends will laugh at them...

It's the same inherent ignorance which spawns threads like this. Read a forum, find out "the Swiss culture" as a whole is rude because a handful of people may have had problems in rush hour public transport or a neighbour has told them to keep the noise down.

Read a forum and find someone stayed with a British family and ate "plastic bread" or "ready meals" for the duration of their language exchange trip. Ergo, all British food is "shitty".

Read a forum and hear that the Spanish bureaucracy has slowed down the completion of their retirement paradise. "All Spaniards are lazy and disorganised."

I always thought I was a bit of a homebird. I like what I know and know what I like but having been on this forum for so long, reading the accounts of some people on here, I'm surprised to find I am actually quite open-minded and resistant to the "jump on the bandwagon" mentality.

There's good and bad everywhere but I don't think anywhere has the monopoly on either; what counts are the people who have an ability to embrace both and not judge a whole culture or nation based on one or two good or bad incidents.
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No, evidently not just my perceptions. Please see other comments. Strangely, I am not alone. It seems to be fairly common. However, there are many other great things here before you get upset. (...) But its fine cant beat them join them. If it means only caring about yourself then makes ones life easier doesnt it.
Your last sentence is really a shame. I used to just bump into whomever was standing in front of the subway door in Oslo, with time, it became a big smile with a loud "hello dear!" with the same immediate effect: free highway for me to get off the subway like a king. I still find them stupid, but still no blame on culture.

The concept of perception doesn't need to be personal (only yours) to be just perceptions. My perceptions are also nothing but perceptions. I am as wrong as you are when we both just perceive. It's all fine. As long as none of us mistake perceptions for evidence. Huge fallacy. We both perceive the Swiss to be pushing and jostling (drängeln) in queues. I don't reason anything out based on that, you base a whole reasoning on that plus perceived rudeness. You will understand that I can't follow you on that road to Nowhereland.
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Old 20.08.2012, 00:31
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Re: Is Swiss culture the rudest you have encountered?

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I don't know why anyone has bothered to bite on this comment. People are unapologetically rude about British/English/UK food, even though they have probably never tried it to any meaningful degree. It's like people feel they would lose face if they admitted that perhaps they found something enjoyable about British food, worrying their friends will laugh at them...

It's the same inherent ignorance which spawns threads like this. Read a forum, find out "the Swiss culture" as a whole is rude because a handful of people may have had problems in rush hour public transport or a neighbour has told them to keep the noise down.

Read a forum and find someone stayed with a British family and ate "plastic bread" or "ready meals" for the duration of their language exchange trip. Ergo, all British food is "shitty".

Read a forum and hear that the Spanish bureaucracy has slowed down the completion of their retirement paradise. "All Spaniards are lazy and disorganised."

I always thought I was a bit of a homebird. I like what I know and know what I like but having been on this forum for so long, reading the accounts of some people on here, I'm surprised to find I am actually quite open-minded and resistant to the "jump on the bandwagon" mentality.

There's good and bad everywhere but I don't think anywhere has the monopoly on either; what counts are the people who have an ability to embrace both and not judge a whole culture or nation based on one or two good or bad incidents.
True, its not like the food here is anything to write home about, but this was all in that other recent thread wasn't it?

I did correcty myself on the Swiss culture as a whole thing too. It is definitely a Swiss German / Zurich thing that I, many others on the forum within the thread have noticed, and many people I deal with / friends with observed and discuss.
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True, its not like the food here is anything to write home about, but this was all in that other recent thread wasn't it?

I did correcty myself on the Swiss culture as a whole thing too. It is definitely a Swiss German / Zurich thing that I, many others on the forum within the thread have noticed, and many people I deal with / friends with observed and discuss.
Could it not just be a city thing? (I think someone made that point earlier).

The cities in which I have lived and worked have been frantic, unfriendly places on the surface. Unsmiling people rushing around, mostly impatiently because time is short and most people would prefer to be on their way home and/or with their families.

Zurich is no different to London in this respect. The miserable-bugger to smiley-face ratio seems about the same. The shoulder-charger to chivalrous door-opener is similar.
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Could it not just be a city thing? (I think someone made that point earlier).

The cities in which I have lived and worked have been frantic, unfriendly places on the surface. Unsmiling people rushing around, mostly impatiently because time is short and most people would prefer to be on their way home and/or with their families.

Zurich is no different to London in this respect. The miserable bugger to smiley face ratio seems about the same. The shoulder-charger to chivalrous door-opener is similar.
Possibly, but its not just commuter things, its a public attitude that I, friends, both visitors and residents, family pick up on and look at each other bemused at the behaviour.

I appreciate some people feel they see it everywhere, and of course it is everywhere to a degree, just seems a lot more common here, when its not really a big busy city.
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Possibly, but its not just commuter things, its a public attitude that I, friends, both visitors and residents, family pick up on and look at each other bemused at the behaviour.

I appreciate some people feel they see it everywhere, and of course it is everywhere to a degree, just seems a lot more common here, when its not really a big busy city.
Why is this discussion making me feel nostalgic for the Circle Line?

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I'm still looking for a recommendation as to what indigenous British food I should eat.
" Bangers" "Bloodpudding" "Mash" "Plumpudding".I reco,stay with bratwurscht and roeschti
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I am challenging you right here and now to name me one food that the typical "citizen of the world" would consider British that is not shitty. and "fish and chips" or "bangers and mash" don't count.
Why don't fish and chips and bangers and mash count? Have you ever had proper fish and chips, fish fresh from the sea, big chunky chips, both fried in beef fat, ate on the sea wall at Whitby? I can guarantee that if this dish had been created in Marseilles it would be one of the worlds most famous and would be imitated everywhere..... er, and it is actually imitated everywhere, but rarely do people get it right which is maybe one of the reasons it has a bad reputation.

OK, so you still don't want to count fish and chips. How about Lincolnshire Chine, steak and kidney pudding, Kippers, rabbit pie, Lancashire hot pot, Yorkshire puddings (and I mean proper Yorkies) with roast beef or roast lamb - not forgetting mint sauce, Melton Mowbrie pork pie (or growlers as we call them in Leeds - and yes, they are great with mushy peas), Jersey black butter on toast, Jersey new potatoes (the best potatoes in the world), Scotch broth, Kedgeree, scones and clotted cream, Cornish pasties, Haggis, Rhubarb crumble, apple pie and custard, Christmas pudding, mince pies, trifle....

I could go on for a few hours and again, I guarantee that if any of those dishes had been created in France you would not be laughing at them. But ignorant people around the world like to laugh at "British food", like some like to laugh at Irish or Polish jokes.

And you know what? Swiss people ask me everyday where they can get these dishes, or the ingredients to make them themselves, in Switzerland.

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In what circumstances are you planning to eat it? In Britain? Where are you going?

If you mean here -- good luck. It's impossible to get even a proper British sausage -- y'know made with real meat -- never mind a decent glass of ale or non-factory-produced Cheddar.

Stick with what you like, and quit the silly OT provocation.
OY! No, I didn't forget cheese made in the largest cheese producing country in the world.
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" Bangers" "Bloodpudding" "Mash" "Plumpudding".I reco,stay with bratwurscht and roeschti
You do? Do you know what really goes into bratwurscht? (And yes, I do know what goes into black pudding and it is a lot more natural than the aforementioned.
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Why don't fish and chips and...the rest of the excellent post
Perfectly put Mr. Grapefruit.
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[QUOTE=grumpygrapefruit;1639711] Swiss people ask me everyday where they can get these dishes, or the ingredients to make them themselves, in Switzerland. [QUOTE=grumpygrapefruit;1639711]

Really? They do not eat fondu, rosti and (?????)-wurst everday? Unless they are in the mountain of course, where you can also get a snitzel / (Translated: Fried breaded pork)

But we Brits eat fish and chips and fried breakfast everyday, and thats all that exists there, along with take away food of course.
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Of course, and I forgot the great British breakfast. My Swiss customers who know England say it is the one meal of the day that they really look forward to when they visit. I do have to explain though that we don't really eat it every day.
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Of course, and I forgot the great British breakfast. My Swiss customers who know England say it is the one meal of the day that they really look forward to when they visit. I do have to explain though that we don't really eat it every day.
No. On Boxing Day we have Brunch and have double portions.


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(It's the only day I've ever eaten Kedgeree)
I _luurve_ kedgeree, but have never understood why it's normally relegated to breakfast time. For me it's a damned fine evening meal.

Which reminds me of another great British contribution to World Cuisine - Lee & Perrin's Worcestershire sauce. Watching a Mexican cookery program recently and it seems that it's one of the most common basic table condiments they use in Mexico, as well as a common ingredient in other dishes. Quite surprised me for a minute, but then when I thought about it it seems quite natural.

Oh, and for our american speakers, it should be pronounced 'wuster'.
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