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Inconsiderate neighbours

I have just moved from Zurich from Singapore into an old apartment block....I think the building is 117 years old but has been re done.

Anyway, the floors/ceilings are thin and our neighbours upstairs like to stay up really late and then wake up really early and constantly slam doors and stomp around the apartment, which makes it very difficult to sleep! They predict when I go to sleep and when I wake up.

I feel the need to have a whinge as I left them a note about it, and it didn't get any better and now I am wondering what to do? My husband doesn't want to speak to them about it......
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Old 20.08.2012, 16:28
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I have just moved from Zurich from Singapore into an old apartment block....I think the building is 117 years old but has been re done.

Anyway, the floors/ceilings are thin and our neighbours upstairs like to stay up really late and then wake up really early and constantly slam doors and stomp around the apartment, which makes it very difficult to sleep! They predict when I go to sleep and when I wake up.

I feel the need to have a whinge as I left them a note about it, and it didn't get any better and now I am wondering what to do? My husband doesn't want to speak to them about it......


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Go speak to them, best to see if they are nice approachable, sympathetic, unaware.

Dont fall into the Swiss mentality of note leaving. I used to screw all notes up and put them in the bin. Most people prefer an adult conversation.

If they dont care, make no effort to improve etc, then you are at a loss. Not much you can do, old building and all.

If its too much you will have to consider moving perhaps.
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Old 20.08.2012, 16:31
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I have just moved from Zurich from Singapore into an old apartment block....I think the building is 117 years old but has been re done.

Anyway, the floors/ceilings are thin and our neighbours upstairs like to stay up really late and then wake up really early and constantly slam doors and stomp around the apartment, which makes it very difficult to sleep! They predict when I go to sleep and when I wake up.

I feel the need to have a whinge as I left them a note about it, and it didn't get any better and now I am wondering what to do? My husband doesn't want to speak to them about it......
Hi pinkpeonie, there are ample threads like yours on the EF, have a look around at what other people have done in order to live a comfortable life.

http://www.englishforum.ch/search2.p...bors&logic=and

You ought to talk to them about it. If you don't wish to do so, the common thing in Switzerland is to leave a friendly note. If the issue persists, take it up with management and make sure you document all incidents. In Switzerland, you're also allowed to call the police if your neighbors are being overly noisy past quiet times.
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Re: Inconsiderate neighbours

Jordan, I have tried earplugs. Does not work, and unfortunately we just moved in so moving out is not an option.

I wanted to talk to them in person and my husband thought a note was possibly a little nicer.
I'm not sure if they couldn't read it because it was in English or they are just inconsiderate.

But it's impossible to sleep...and it's not nice being woken up during the night when they decide to get home late.
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Re: Inconsiderate neighbours

Go and talk to them maybe they don't realize how loud they are. Yrs ago when we lived in a block flat my son had colic cried from midnight to 7am nothing I could do. One day there was a very long letter from my neighbour telling me she couldn't sleep etc it must of taken her ages to write it. I went straight upstairs to talk to her explained I was not leaving my son to cry all night I was up all night trying to comfort him. In the end she said sorry.
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Re: Inconsiderate neighbours

Politely invite one of them down while the other walks around the apartment and shuts doors so they can hear exactly what you do. Often people have no idea how much the sound travels.
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Re: Inconsiderate neighbours

Thanks Lou. I did think of that....because I honestly think they have no idea ow much noise they make.

It's just always uncomfortable going upstairs for that awkward conversation :-)
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Re: Inconsiderate neighbours

Are you sure you are not living under kimi83?

HELP i cant use my toilet on the night!!!!!
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Re: Inconsiderate neighbours

Just be polite about it, my new downstairs neighbours did this with me when my kids decided to play football in the living room just after we moved in. It was not a problem especially since she invited me into her apartment to hear for myself the racket they were making.

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Thanks Lou. I did think of that....because I honestly think they have no idea ow much noise they make.

It's just always uncomfortable going upstairs for that awkward conversation :-)
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Re: Inconsiderate neighbours

No snoopy...I'm not an old lady :-) But I did hear about Swiss people and flushing the toilet, but I'm definitely not that picky!

Sounds good Lou, next time it happens I will go up there and politely ask them to keep it down. Fingers crossed it works.
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Re: Inconsiderate neighbours

haaa again the "neighbours are inconsiderate", blablabla...

1) Have you even considered the possibility that you are too picky?

2) Have you wondered why you can hear the neighbour door? (ie it sounds that your issue is actually due to poor sound isolation, not necessarily neighbour actions).

3) The actions you describe is more ... they are living!! door opening, closing, loud steps, etc... does not seems to be made "on purpose", therefore "inconsiderate" seems unfair.


Anyway, I have a solution:
4 of thoses:


And 4 of thoses:



They are your's for 10chf + delivery

That way, when you offer them to your neighbours they will appreciate your gesture and see that you are considerate.
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Re: Inconsiderate neighbours

No, am to picky. I'm happy for you to come to my apartment and hear the noise, and I'm not sure that you would like it.

I don't think anyone would like to be woken up constantly at all hours of the night. Would you??
Easy for you to say when you don't have the problem.

CoursebauTheReturn - This forum should be to offer help. Blah, blah,blah. hence the reason why it is under complaints corner.
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Re: Inconsiderate neighbours

Problem is, tomorrow there will be another thread here- about a neighbour complaining about the fact they can't make noise, and the Swiss are so anal about it all

Yes, I would have a quite and friendly word about it - and hope for the best.

Have to say I am not sure I'm cut out for apartment living - and I know I am very lucky. Would drive me bonkers. Bonne chance.
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Re: Inconsiderate neighbours

You might be surprised when you go upstairs that what you hear as "stomping" and "banging" is perfectly normal walking around and door shutting.

It's the biggest disadvantage of old buildings, and the reason I chose to live in a newer building. Next time you move flats, remember that it's easier to sort out noise problems by picking the right place than by trying to change the neighbours afterwards

Music and slamming doors at night is unacceptable, but if all they are doing is walking about at night then there is precious little you (or they) can do about it. Some people work night shifts, others are insomniacs, and they have the right to live in communal housing in a city too.

Go up and have a quick word as politely and cheerily as possible, and hope for the best.
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If your German is not up to scratch, why not ask a friend or colleague who speaks German to help you?
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No, am to picky. I'm happy for you to come to my apartment and hear the noise, and I'm not sure that you would like it.

I don't think anyone would like to be woken up constantly at all hours of the night. Would you??
Easy for you to say when you don't have the problem.

CoursebauTheReturn - This forum should be to offer help. Blah, blah,blah. hence the reason why it is under complaints corner.
Well, I would be happy if you would reply to my 2 points below. You still have to comment on:

2) Have you wondered why you can hear the neighbour door? (ie it sounds that your issue is actually due to poor sound isolation, not necessarily neighbour actions).

3) The actions you describe is more ... they are living!! door opening, closing, loud steps, etc... does not seems to be made "on purpose", therefore "inconsiderate" seems unfair.


And yes, it's a public forum. That's why I offered help * a practical solution that I would like you very much to buy.

But I also offer a different opinion than yours, which you apparently disliked. So it would seems more that you came for comfort/support rather than actual solutions.

Oh and actually, you have chosen your words very well ("I'm not sure that you would like it."). It's good that you are not sure because I would actually have no problems with that... "Easy to say when you're not in the situation"...
Well again my situation would be actually much worse than yours.

-Big cow walking in the middle of the night in the corridor, with wooden shoes on "tiles floor": massive knocking noise. Very regular.
-Upstairs neighboor moving chairs loudly, hearing their foot steps. Very regular
-Occasional parties of neighbours, balcony, very loud, until late. Sometimes in the week.
-Assholes on the parking having fun with handbrakes, loud music at night. Once a night: waking up abruptly due to the noise.
-People fighting and shouting- once a week at best.

Etc...
Some of those would be inconsiderate. But in your case they are just "living" (like my student neighbors having a party , or that big cow walking).

But I want to make a lemonade out of lemons, not to bite them when they are sour. In other words, it's something you have to deal with in a positive, reasonable, and decent way.

In your case you can buy my wonderful accessories, offer them to your neighbors with a smile, explaining them your situation. In my case I need money to buy a shootgun for the parking inconsiderates so please buy my items.
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Old 20.08.2012, 21:47
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Just in case you wondered why the previous tenants had moved out, now you know.
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Re: Inconsiderate neighbours

We did this with our neighbors when they moved in and it seemed to help a lot: We introduced ourselves and told them since they were new, we, ourselves, don't know how loud our TV echoes, moving about our apartment and if the noise is too loud -- just please let us know so we know what volume to keep the TV at, what noises bother them. Well, the first week we did get a text from them saying the TV was too loud (and it was). But on the other hand, they asked us if we could hear them and was their TV or music too loud? So it became reciprocal. And avoids calls to landlords, notes, etc.

Maybe since you are new you can use it in reverse and ask them if their is any noise you make that bothers them to let you know and hopefully they will ask the same question to you and you can tell them about the noise. It's a little more subtle before you have to approach them directly. Might work.
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Re: Inconsiderate neighbours

I'm having the exact same problem. I just moved to Baar in July, was wondering why the previous tenant (a young couple with a toddler) would want to leave such wonderful apartment. Now I understand why. With the endless floor noises (sounds like as if they are dragging the furnitures all the time or walk with high heels) daily from 11pm to 1am and again as early as 5am.

I have a few types of ear plugs but I had to buy those really good quality ones to filter off those noises. Otherwise I won't be able to sleep. Fortunately the ear plugs helped.

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Re: Inconsiderate neighbours

I don't know why people don't think about these things before they rent:

Here's an easy guide for those who need/want an apartment rather than a house:

1. For those with young children, get a newish, concrete apartment Ground floor flat, preferably with a garden or nearby park.

2. For those who want a quiet life, and who do not have young children, get a newish, concrete apartment Top floor flat.

I appreciate that it's not easy to find these but anything else will always be a massive compromise.
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