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Old 05.09.2012, 22:04
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Re: Noise problem or racism?

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if the guy wasn't dark-skinned
Define 'dark skinned' please!

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Old 05.09.2012, 22:09
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Indeed, I have lost count at the amount of times I have made grown men choke on their words and look at the floor in shame / fear when someone has the balls to stand up to them. We dont all have balls, some, many these days, lost the ability to grow them......

Women tend to be more feisty and mouthy though.
Someone in complete control of their own faculties doesn't need to prove a point and be aggressive with those that are clearly unable to be civilized.

This doesn't show that the b@lls are hairier than someone else's, but just more of the same bullying that the original offender has started.

As knowing very well how to defend myself and protect my surroundings, I am certain that being aggressive with an idiot is not a valuable way to use my energy.

About 2 years ago in the US we (wife, son, two dogs) were at a dog park. Some woman had a dog she was watching and it attacked another dog. The guy, massive in size, and muscles everywhere and the owner of the attacked dog, started screaming at her. He then called her the word that starts with C. This poor woman was shaking she was so scared and couldn't even move to get her dog away.

I went to get the dog and he started on me. But as I went my son begged me to stay away as he was afraid. Having a lot of self control and knowing that even with my training I could be hurt badly, I just calmly went to get the dog. As he was yelling at me, I looked him in the eye and told him, very calmly, it was an accident and the woman certainly didn't mean anything by it. He yelled at me again, and I told him, I understood, then picked up the dog and took it to the side.

I'd say there were 50 people watching this awful thing. The man, calmed down pretty quick, took his dog and left the park.

Now, I could have briefly stretched, took off my jacket and told him not to call her those names, call him an arse, etc, and then watched real problems unfold. But, what would have be learned? Further, what would it have taught my son?

So, I digressed and now return to my point, fighting aggressive behavior with aggressive behavior is more than likely the wrong approach most of the time, and more often than not leads to unnecessary results and really, makes both people look like idiots.

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Old 05.09.2012, 22:41
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Someone in complete control of their own faculties doesn't need to prove a point and be aggressive with those that are clearly unable to be civilized.

This doesn't show that the b@lls are hairier than someone else's, but just more of the same bullying that the original offender has started.

As knowing very well how to defend myself and protect my surroundings, I am certain that being aggressive with an idiot is not a valuable way to use my energy.

About 2 years ago in the US we (wife, son, two dogs) were at a dog park. Some woman had a dog she was watching and it attacked another dog. The guy, massive in size, and muscles everywhere and the owner of the attacked dog, started screaming at her. He then called her the word that starts with C. This poor woman was shaking she was so scared and couldn't even move to get her dog away.

I went to get the dog and he started on me. But as I went my son begged me to stay away as he was afraid. Having a lot of self control and knowing that even with my training I could be hurt badly, I just calmly went to get the dog. As he was yelling at me, I looked him in the eye and told him, very calmly, it was an accident and the woman certainly didn't mean anything by it. He yelled at me again, and I told him, I understood, then picked up the dog and took it to the side.

I'd say there were 50 people watching this awful thing. The man, calmed down pretty quick, took his dog and left the park.

Now, I could have briefly stretched, took off my jacket and told him not to call her those names, call him an arse, etc, and then watched real problems unfold. But, what would have be learned? Further, what would it have taught my son?

So, I digressed and now return to my point, fighting aggressive behavior with aggressive behavior is more than likely the wrong approach most of the time, and more often than not leads to unnecessary results and really, makes both people look like idiots.
Well there's aggressive and there's taking no crap. I choose the latter and if the former comes into it, then so be it. Most choose not to mix it as, well I am big and despite being incredibly polite I can be incredibly mean if necessary too.

Each to their own I guess. So if me educating someone or putting them back in their hole makes me look like an idiot it doesn't bother me as I have no time for strangers opinions, only those that matter. Those that matter and who know me will know I am an incredibly laid back and passive person until someone abuses that.
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Well there's aggressive and there's taking no crap. I choose the latter and if the former comes into it, then so be it. Most choose not to mix it as, well I am big and despite being incredibly polite I can be incredibly mean if necessary too.

Each to their own I guess.
One doesn't have to take crap and fight it with aggression. To me, it's a sign of weakness, but, as you say, to each their own.

And meanness is a negative karma vortex I think, one which breeds what the OP witnessed today, even though I'm unclear about the full story of what unfolded.
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One doesn't have to take crap and fight it with aggression. To me, it's a sign of weakness, but, as you say, to each their own.

And meanness is a negative karma vortex I think, one which breeds wht the OP witnessed today, even though I'm unclear about the full story of what unfolded.
Depends on ones interpretation of aggression. It's only a weakness if you can't back it up when called upon, which is the case for most of the people who choose to act like the lady in the OP.

No negative Karma in my life, just happy thoughts and a lot of sympathy for others.
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Depends on ones interpretation of aggression. It's only a weakness if you can't back it up when called upon, which is the case for most of the people who choose to act like the lady in the OP.

No negative Karma in my life, just happy thoughts and a lot of sympathy for others.
By being mean to fight meanness as you said you do from time to time, that is aggressive behavior, by definition.

Note, I never said sometimes people don't need to be put in their place, but stooping to their level to do it adds no value. Ever notice how calm the great martial artists were/are in real life? Have you ever read Bruce lees Tao? I have. He could have stood up to anyone and "back it up" much better than most. Ever notice how humble jet li is in real life? Amazing self control and humbleness. How about some of the top mma fighters, most just are very low key and don't fight fire with fire until they enter the oct.

I mean the list goes on and on, but I suppose like that other thread I'll not mention, I'll have to just stop replying because you do not like to be wrong, challenged, or disagreed with, unless you have the final say. Not meant as a dig, but a lesson learned for me.
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Old 05.09.2012, 23:27
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By being mean to fight meanness as you said you do from time to time, that is aggressive behavior, by definition.

Note, I never said sometimes people don't need to be put in their place, but stooping to their level to do it adds no value. Ever notice how calm the great martial artists were/are in real life? Have you ever read Bruce lees Tao? I have. He could have stood up to anyone and "back it up" much better than most. Ever notice how humble jet li is in real life? Amazing self control and humbleness. How about some of the top mma fighters, most just are very low key and don't fight fire with fire until they enter the oct.

I mean the list goes on and on, but I suppose like that other thread I'll not mention, I'll have to just stop replying because you do not like to be wrong, challenged, or disagreed with, unless you have the final say. Not meant as a dig, but a lesson learned for me.
Well we could all play tiddlywinks but we don't all have the time for that. Sometimes people learn a lot more, for the benefit of others, when they are put in their place.

Stooping to a level and succeeding ensures one does not stoop to that level again. I see it as more beneficial for the next victim, rather than an ego boost for how calm and collected one can be.

Martial arts does not have anything to do with this and you certainly seem some way off on the mma analogy.

Your last paragraph is just hilarious. Irony being you stipulating I supposedly don't like to be wrong thus by definition implying you are right. Arrogant much. I guess it was in Bruce's book, I know you like to base your ideas on celebrity views and important sounding people / organisations. Sometimes reality is different for the rest of us
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Does the fact that the thread is about some al' biddy having a pop at a bloke with a noisy iPad on a railway platform warrant this in-depth pissing competition about who can resolve their conflicts better?

Or are we derailing into another "it's all about me" handbag fight?
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Does the fact that the thread is about some al' biddy having a pop at a bloke with a noisy iPad on a railway platform warrant this in-depth pissing competition about who can resolve their conflicts better?

Or are we derailing into another "it's all about me" handbag fight?
It depends whether you are a master of the arts and feel obliged to reply to quoted posts of yours
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Had I been the one playing the music - a white middle-aged woman who speaks fluent (without a trace of Australian accent) high German, I doubt she would have considered approaching me to turn the music off or tell me to go back to wherever I come from.

What do you think? Do you think it was really about the music? Have you seen or experienced blatant racism here?
I think you are mistaken. I think she would have given you a hard time too. There are just some miserable people here, end of story, and the colour of your skin makes not one jot of difference.
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Well we could all play tiddlywinks but we don't all have the time for that. Sometimes people learn a lot more, for the benefit of others, when they are put in their place.

Stooping to a level and succeeding ensures one does not stoop to that level again. I see it as more beneficial for the next victim, rather than an ego boost for how calm and collected one can be.

Martial arts does not have anything to do with this and you certainly seem some way off on the mma analogy.

Your last paragraph is just hilarious. Irony being you stipulating I supposedly don't like to be wrong thus by definition implying you are right. Arrogant much. I guess it was in Bruce's book, I know you like to base your ideas on celebrity views and important sounding people / organisations. Sometimes reality is different for the rest of us
I wrote a response and decided to delete it.. You have made my point perfectly, thank you!
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Define 'dark skinned' please!

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True, it's a relative term. Perhaps I should have been more clear and written "Darker skinned than she is"... but I think you knew what I meant.
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I wrote a response and decided to delete it.. You have made my point perfectly, thank you!
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Is this the song he was playing by any chance?

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Left is dark, right is light. hth
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right is light.
Racist
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That looks like work-experience week at Betty's Spray Tan Studio in Chelmsford.
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Re: Noise problem or racism?

My grandmother, who is no longer with us, hated blue as a colour. If she saw an item of clothing she disliked, it would be blue. If she saw an item which was almost the same colour, but that she did like....she would say "Now that's what I call turquoise", or "I do like that sea-green" as a way of justifying to herself that it was ok to like it - because it wasn't called blue.

The fact that the label was changed and rationalised didn't change the colour of the sweater of course, but her perception of it changed.

I feel the same about this thread. What she did (if we believe the account) was wrong and impolite - it is the act and the action which is wrong, not the label of xenophobia, racism, nationalism or ignorance which doesn't change or excuse it, doesn't make it beter or worse. The only thing which the label can explain is the motivation - but we cannot guess at that
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Itīs very clear that is a case of racism. The funny thing here is that most of the people that claims that they are 100% originally Swiss, have some german, italian, french, etc. as grandmother, and the first thing they do for holidays - vacations is to escape abroad!

"Go back to your country".... what a phrase in the XXI century!
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Itīs very clear that is a case of racism. The funny thing here is that most of the people that claims that they are 100% originally Swiss, have some german, italian, french, etc. as grandmother, and the first thing they do for holidays - vacations is to escape abroad!
Are you stating here that Germans, Italians and French are somehow different races to the Swiss?
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