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Feel compelled to write about the awful take away experience I just had from the Rajasthan restaurant in Cham.

Ordered:
Chicken Vindaloo
Lamb Mass
Aubergine and potato curry
2 naan breads

What arrived was pathetic portions of each curry - the size you get when you buy a ready meal, each bulked out with rice (not mentioned on website).

They all tasted of nothing than chilli and water. No onion in evidence in any of the sauces nor any tomato or fresh spices. My boyfriend and I love spicy (and I mean really spicy not Swiss spicy) food but both of us could barely eat the curries such was the amount of chilli powder used.

The 2 naans, costing nearly 5chf each were little bigger than the sole of my shoe.

And how much did I shell out for this? - 88chf inc delivery!

Two words - rip off.

If you want decent Indian food in the ZG area, go to the Tandoori Indian restaurant in Ebikon - best I`ve had in CH and not bad value either.

Anyone else had a similar experience?
I've had this experience many times. With a few exceptions, the Swiss do not do curries very well, and it's much tastier (not to mention cheaper) to cook your own. I think a big part of the problem is that the Swiss don't have a tradition of curry eating or a love of Indian food unlike places like the UK, so they just literally don't really know what a good standard of curry is, as well as their stereotypical dislike of food that is too spicy, so the restaurants just churn out bland and tasteless mush as a result and no-one really complains other than ex-pats who are used to better and cheaper stuff.

Best restaurant curry I had here was the Tandoori BBQ in Zurich a year or so ago, expensive but very tasty and they will make it very spicy if you ask.

Buy a good recipe book (or Google some recipes), find the nearest Indian food store to buy the ingredients, and get cooking!

EDIT - I made a thread ages ago with a (very) basic curry recipe in it that's very easy to follow and get good (and spicy) results from Shan spice packs (For Indian/Pakistan Curries)
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I've had this experience many times. With a few exceptions, the Swiss do not do curries very well,
Maybe so, but in most of the Indian / Thai restaurants I have been in, the kitchen staff are most certainly not Swiss (by origin anyway).

The curries you get in a Migros restaurant, for example, are definitely dodgy (and oddly fruity ) so I don't touch them with a barge pole but there are some decent Asian restaurants around Zurich and they're usually prepared by Asian people who seem to know what they're doing (or at least my tastebuds are happy enough).
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Not yet been to the Chalet India but will go there in the foreseeable future. Was at Khans in Zürich two or three times but have to say that it was a disappointment all the times. An expensive snobberia place, but the meals were not what I might have expected. No spicyness and boring and rather bland. And a non convincing menu. For fairly mild but good Indian curry dishes go to Raja Bongo. But the milk-shake-curry-dishes of the Khan are simply not what I need.
If you dont like Khans dont go to Rajasthan, it about 5 times worse.
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Maybe so, but in most of the Indian / Thai restaurants I have been in, the kitchen staff are most certainly not Swiss (by origin anyway).
Agreed of course the staff are Indian, but I further voiced the opinion (it's just the way I see it) that despite this they generally cater to the Swiss notion of what constitutes Indian food (unless many Swiss restaurants just hire bad chefs, which seems unlikely). My ex was Indian and an awesome cook, and I used to eat a fair bit in the UK restaurants, and there's really no comparison for Switzerland in terms of quality of what i've had.

Thai food is also in general of a much better standard than Indian judging from the restaurants i've been to.
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I've had this experience many times. With a few exceptions, the Swiss do not do curries very well, and it's much tastier (not to mention cheaper) to cook your own. I think a big part of the problem is that the Swiss don't have a tradition of curry eating or a love of Indian food unlike places like the UK, so they just literally don't really know what a good standard of curry is, as well as their stereotypical dislike of food that is too spicy, so the restaurants just churn out bland and tasteless mush as a result and no-one really complains other than ex-pats who are used to better and cheaper stuff.

Best restaurant curry I had here was the Tandoori BBQ in Zurich a year or so ago, expensive but very tasty and they will make it very spicy if you ask.

Buy a good recipe book (or Google some recipes), find the nearest Indian food store to buy the ingredients, and get cooking!

EDIT - I made a thread ages ago with a (very) basic curry recipe in it that's very easy to follow and get good (and spicy) results from Shan spice packs (For Indian/Pakistan Curries)
Most of the places criticized are NOT done by Swiss but by Indians. Good Indian restaurants depend on Indians/Pakistani/SriLankans here and Swiss who learnt to love Indian cuisine in Britain or in other places like Beirut or Dubai or Abu Dhabi or Muscat/Mutrah.

Those producers of that bland stuff get lots of complaints, but fail to see that they will become losers. Some of them like the Khan in Zürich simply will adopt a snobberia appeal which means serving tasteless non-spicy stuff from a lousy menu but kept up by a heavy media campaign and a noble outfit. Which much to my surprise apparently is supported by expats who supposedly are used to cheaper stuff but in reality very often have a preference for the most exceedingly expensive places

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and then you jump onto Thai food. I have regular contact with a Thai business chap whose judgment of the Thai places is very distant from YOUR judgment. It may make you angry but I tend to give preference to HIS judgment !
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Most of the places criticized are NOT done by Swiss but by Indians. Good Indian restaurants depend on Indians/Pakistani/SriLankans here and Swiss who learnt to love Indian cuisine in Britain or in other places like Beirut or Dubai or Abu Dhabi or Muscat/Mutrah.

Those producers of that bland stuff get lots of complaints, but fail to see that they will become losers. Some of them like the Khan in Zürich simply will adopt a snobberia appeal which means serving tasteless non-spicy stuff from a lousy menu but kept up by a heavy media campaign and a noble outfit. Which much to my surprise apparently is supported by expats who supposedly are used to cheaper stuff but in reality very often have a preference for the most exceedingly expensive places

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and then you jump onto Thai food. I have regular contact with a Thai business chap whose judgment of the Thai places is very distant from YOUR judgment. It may make you angry but I tend to give preference to HIS judgment !
I think you need to read my post, I was not saying the Indian food is cook by Swiss, and I clarified that in the above post.

As for the Thai food of course I wouldn't get angry if you disagree, because I am convinced that the Thai restaurants are of a better standard than the Indian restaurants... I love both cuisines and i've eaten at enough of them to form an opinion, so also trust my judgement in that respect. Not a patch on being in Thailand obviously (I was in Thailand throughout August), but not awful at all vs the Indians i've had.
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This reminds me of our trip to Bombay Palace in Basel and the waiter was bigging up the chefs credentials and the authenticity of his skills, but when we tasted the curry, it was an expensive disappointment.

The waiter also alluded that the chicken was halal, but I would like to know if anyone from here could verify that?

My family owned several Indian Restaurants in UK and I also owned a Take Away and I was thinking to myself that if God didn't bless me with a good job then I would definately consider opening up an authentic Indian Restaurant here. At the moment it seems too much of a hassle to setup a business here and it would certainly be big gamble as the Swiss aren't keen on spicy food and I don't think you survive on expacts as your customer base.

Boy do I crave for a good quality curry with a proper fluffy well proportioned naan bread.
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I think you need to read my post, I was not saying the Indian food is cook by Swiss, and I clarified that in the above post.

As for the Thai food of course I wouldn't get angry if you disagree, because I am convinced that the Thai restaurants are of a better standard than the Indian restaurants... I love both cuisines and i've eaten at enough of them to form an opinion, so also trust my judgement in that respect. Not a patch on being in Thailand obviously (I was in Thailand throughout August), but not awful at all vs the Indians i've had.
You see, there are Swiss gastronomes who serve "Indian food" and that usually is a total disaster, while Indians trying to compromise only are a SEMI disaster.. They in the end will be the losers as there are too many Swiss customers who detest those "compromisers" and prefer those who do serious business. In the 60ies/70ies/80ies and into the 90ies, some Greek restaurants worked on a "Greece wave" with very high prices. Interestingly, most of them went out of business between 1990 and 2010. The Swiss market is slow but has no mercy once a fashion wave is over. Those "compromisers" in the end will lose.

A look into history shows that people in and from "Greater India" have a very long tradition of adapting. There for example is an excellent Italian restaurant in Zch-Wollishofen on Albisstrasse done by an Indian couple. Thais at the other hand lived in a country which kept independent even in colonial times. THIS means that people from "greater India" are ready to accept lots of European rubbish while Thais are not as tolerant and will insist on the real thing. Add to this that the extremely spicy Thai cusiine cannot be mixed with Euro-ideas so easily
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That more or less salt is included in "curry" is obvious as "curry" of course is a mix of spices. THIS is the reason for my question about Rajasthani cuisine. As the question is whether that cuisine uses more salt than the one south of Bombay.
Rajasthani cuisine is further divided into Mewar and Marwad. One of the most common dish is dal batti and you will 99% not find it search anywhere in Europe.
As for all those places called "Bombay Palace" and etc. do not serve any Bombay dishes like Pav Bhaji or vada pav
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Maybe so, but in most of the Indian / Thai restaurants I have been in, the kitchen staff are most certainly not Swiss (by origin anyway).

The curries you get in a Migros restaurant, for example, are definitely dodgy (and oddly fruity ) so I don't touch them with a barge pole but there are some decent Asian restaurants around Zurich and they're usually prepared by Asian people who seem to know what they're doing (or at least my tastebuds are happy enough).
Do these "curries" from the Migros restaurant you are referring to have a rather viscous yellow sauce? If this is the case, then they are not supposed to be Asian at all.
This dish is correctly called "Riz Casimir" and was apparently invented by the Swiss Restaurant chain Mövenpick in 1952: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riz_Casimir. It is rather unlikely that this dish was influenced by Indian cuisine very much (if at all). Mövenpick in 1952 probably just took some exotic ingredients like curry powder, pineapples and bananas and created a dish with it.

Today Riz Casimir is a very popular dish in Switzerland. As the main ingredient used in the sauce is curry powder the sauce is often referred to as "curry sauce" and thus the dish sometimes is called "rice with curry sauce", but I don't know anybody who would call "Riz Casimir" a curry.

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This reminds me of our trip to Bombay Palace in Basel and the waiter was bigging up the chefs credentials and the authenticity of his skills, but when we tasted the curry, it was an expensive disappointment.

The waiter also alluded that the chicken was halal, but I would like to know if anyone from here could verify that?

My family owned several Indian Restaurants in UK and I also owned a Take Away and I was thinking to myself that if God didn't bless me with a good job then I would definately consider opening up an authentic Indian Restaurant here. At the moment it seems too much of a hassle to setup a business here and it would certainly be big gamble as the Swiss aren't keen on spicy food and I don't think you survive on expacts as your customer base.

Boy do I crave for a good quality curry with a proper fluffy well proportioned naan bread.
> I think that HALAL hardly is relevant to NON-Muslims ?!
> I in your case would have expected the restaurant to have an Indians on board alert. Their inability to react is a bad sign
> "the Swiiss" do not exist ! Lots of Swiss are even very keen on spicy food, but not if offered at the Kronenhalle price level. At the other hand you have to realise that much or even most of the expats are NOT keen on spicy food except on rethorics. But what you personally crave for is irrevelant as soon as you want to cater for others.
-- I once had the chance to do seriously spicy butter-curry-chicken for a military unit of 108 men, and roughly 100 colleagues loved and praised the result. They of course did not know that it was the rescue of some badly spoilt grill-chicken by applying a variety of spices including curry and lots of butter we had around by the tons. Whatever, I during the evening just had the chance to sample a tiny bit of the whole stuff as at the end everything was "sold out"
----- we applied spices and then butter and repeated this 7 times. We only four days later learnt that our material had been mis-laid by the Graubünden railways (Rätische Bahn) for FOUR days !

And this means that when you talk about "Swiss" not liking really spicy cusiine you talk rubbish.

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Rajasthani cuisine is further divided into Mewar and Marwad. One of the most common dish is dal batti and you will 99% not find it search anywhere in Europe.
As for all those places called "Bombay Palace" and etc. do not serve any Bombay dishes like Pav Bhaji or vada pav
Alright. But what does Mewar and Marwad mean, simply explained ??
And what are PavBhaji and Vada Pav ?
And are Mewar and Marwad cuisines relatively full of salt ?

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Alright. But what does Mewar and Marwad mean, simply explained ??
And what are PavBhaji and Vada Pav ?
And are Mewar and Marwad cuisines relatively full of salt ?
Mewar and Marwad are different parts of the state of Rajasthan and have different language/culture/cuisine... Rajasthan is almost as big as Spain and very diverse.

You have to go to Bombay/Mumbai to know what Pav Bhaji and Vada Pav are...gosh! I am hungry now...or we organize an Indian cooking night in Basel and only cook local things that you cannot get in Switzerland

Indian food is usually not salty...
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The halal question wasn't meant for u non muslims, use your brain :d

Talk for yourself and handful of Swiss liking spice. I wouldnt call that a vibrant market for a business.

Why dont you setup a business if u feel theres a market as you seem to know too much.
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W,

The halal question wasn't meant for u non muslims, use your brain :d

Talk for yourself and handful of Swiss liking spice. I wouldnt call that a vibrant market for a business.

Why dont you setup a business if u feel theres a market as you seem to know too much.

Halal/Kosher are not cuisines, but sets of regulations. Halal of course restricts the use of milk/butter/cream in connection with meat, and of course means no-way for pork in any way

The main markets here are taken by relatively mild cuisines like those of Italy, the Arab World, Turkey, Iran. India, Thailand and Indonesia are serving "niche markets". Those who find their ways, and it is a narrow one, will succeed, but those who try to "compromise" will not. Yes, it in a way is the quadratisation of the circle and rather tricky. Not least as it is not just the spicyness but rather more the RICE ! Quite many people here DISlike rice quite definitely !
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From the WEBsite it looks excellent but rather expensive
It works out much less than Kings Curry. This dishes are sharable and you don't have to go for all non-veg dishes. The Masala Dosa for 22.50 Fr. was enough for one person with a huge samosa and a Naan. The Chicken Tikkas were enough for a child's meal too.
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Re: Awful takeaway experience - Cham, ZG

Ok this is not takeaway but why not come along to my event at the end of the month, to what I promise you a great Taste of India and fab atmosphere too!

http://www.englishforum.ch/commercia...u-can-eat.html

I have a passion for all things spicy!!
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It works out much less than Kings Curry. This dishes are sharable and you don't have to go for all non-veg dishes. The Masala Dosa for 22.50 Fr. was enough for one person with a huge samosa and a Naan. The Chicken Tikkas were enough for a child's meal too.
I was in the Kings Curry twice. Good meals, and perfectly enough. The only objection was the "air" or rather the lack of it. Alright, smoking then was still allowed, so that this change alone may have helped a bit. Alright, I accept to be a bit contradictory myself, as DISliking cold temperatures indoors and demanding fresh air. But there is a middle ground
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I was in the Kings Curry twice. Good meals, and perfectly enough. The only objection was the "air" or rather the lack of it. Alright, smoking then was still allowed, so that this change alone may have helped a bit. Alright, I accept to be a bit contradictory myself, as DISliking cold temperatures indoors and demanding fresh air. But there is a middle ground
The quality is distinctly average at best at that place, and id say its the second best curry house i've been to behind Tandoori BBQ. I wouldn't go there again given a choice of that, or cooking it myself.
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The quality is distinctly average at best at that place, and id say its the second best curry house i've been to behind Tandoori BBQ. I wouldn't go there again given a choice of that, or cooking it myself.
The Masala at Stauffacher is clearly better, and the Kerala near the Radio station is equal if not better as well.
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The Masala at Stauffacher is clearly better, and the Kerala near the Radio station is equal if not better as well.
Tripadvisor reports seem very mixed for those places (though kerala is rated higher), and a few Indians wrote reviews on the food as well. I guess the main issue for me is trying to understand why Indian food is so expensive in comparison to many other cuisines found here, when it involves some of the cheapest ingredients and cuts of meat, and can be made in bulk. Well actually, I know they only charge what people are willing to pay here so I kind of don't blame them, but the value to taste ratio is just terrible here vs somewhere like the UK simply because I always end up bitterly (relatively speaking) dissappointed. Anyway, i'll stop moaning about it now.
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