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Re: All The Trouble With Muslim Movie?

I can't believe you guys are discussing the crusades. Hellooo, it is 2012 !!!!

I am going to say two things here and go get my popcorn.

1. On the issue of being a scholar on religion: Why do I need to speak the a specific language or need to go to a college to be able to understand what god is saying to me ( and to everybody in the world theoretically). If I can not understand it when I read it, sorry but I am not bounded with it. If god is going to punish me because of that, then who can say he is fair.

2. To all posters: I see that there is a big confusion on arabs. muslim brothers and Muslims. Please be aware that not all Muslims are Arabs and not all Arabs are Muslims. Approximately 50 countries are Muslim-majority,and Arabs account for around 20% of all Muslims worldwide.

Bonus: Islamic views of Mary . Please put your information straight before you blame others. Mary( Meryem, Maryam, Mariam, Miriam) is a very common name in the Islamic world. Who would name his/her daughter after somebody they hate.

Anyways. Please go on, I got my popcorn now.
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Not all Muslims are extremist but they get tarred with the same brush
Exactly. So bringing up the Crusades (a Catholic event) is just a tad hypocritical, don't you think?

My only beef with Islam is its seeming ability to take an honest look at itself and see where things need to be dealt with. It's seems all to be "oh, poor us, being picked on" victim mentality. Sheesh - it's not even possible to research the origins of the religion without threats from some muppet somewhere. You moderates should be speaking out loud and clear about such idiocies - otherwise you are complicit. (And your religion will be taken over by the fanatics).

@Dark blue. Quite right. There are a fair few Christian Arabs around.
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Not all Muslims are extremist but they get tarred with the same brush
Then why aren't ALL other Muslims going out of their way to condemn the violence and murder in the wake of this "film"?
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You shouldn't be talking about that as you fully deserve being tarred with that brush and then feathered for good measure.
I'll enjoy slapping you as you'll easily offer me the other cheek!
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It's seems all to be "oh, poor us [insert name of any religion or cult], being picked on" victim mentality.
Fixed that quote for you and now I agree with it. BTW - my suffering and moral beliefs are far better than yours because I've spent all my life following them and if I were to admit that they were wrong now, how could I possibly justify all those wasted years ....?
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I'll enjoy slapping you as you'll easily offer me the other cheek!
So now you're threatening people with violence! Oh the irony of it all could kill.
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Old 17.09.2012, 17:31
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Fixed that quote for you and now I agree with it. BTW - my suffering and moral beliefs are far better than yours because I've spent all my life following them and if I were to admit that they were wrong now, how could I possibly justify all those wasted years ....?
Couple it with the atrocity that you committed in response to the atrocity we committed in response to the atrocity that you committed in response to the atrocity we committed...

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So now you're threatening people with violence! Oh the irony of it all could kill.
I'm not sure he is. It could be an attempt at irony based on Christians "turning the other cheek".
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This thread serves as another fine example of why, every day, I thank god that I don't believe in a god.
the irony here - for me, at least - is that everybody believes in the same God (at least those Jews, Christians or Muslims who choose to believe in God). the argument is really about nothing more than who that God chose to be his scrivener, which is almost entirely driven by ancient political motivations that have been extinct for eons.

a shame, really - there is so much common sense and decency in the shared belief sets that is completely lost amongst the inanity and indecency of many of the believers.
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Old 17.09.2012, 17:36
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well, the movie is a vehicle to stir up hate. its used by (maybe?) al kaida to weaken the democratic processes going on or what ever other idea is behind that. treverus said it: (and predominately i believe that) all western countries have interests in countries that bring some value, access to oil (deliveries) which means at days end a reasonable price at the gas station. and each alliance securing that is welcome. if it was dictaorship, fine. if its now democratic government (hence easier to manipulate) even better. that the interests and supportive (money) programs dry out pretty quickly when this is secured is one thing. that these democratic elected elites sooner or later in those countries (see afghanistan) tend to be corrupt, support dodgy alliances keeping them in power, not looking after their country much and in that way heating up a mob that breaks lose about such a "movie"... i dunno why the people dont think a bit more outside of the box than within the earshot of a megaphone operated by a radical priest?
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Which has absolutely zero to do with the Taleban bombing a piece of world heritage.

Your one sentence sums up all the problems I have when discussing with any religious type, but especially Muslims - it always ends with a "they against us" argument... without any balance, reason or causal connection at all. basic tribal behaviour...
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in the same way crusaders (Christian jihadist) looting the countries' wealth on the way and back from their destination.
I could not have come up with a better example to show what I meant with my post.... Thanks.
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So now you're threatening people with violence! Oh the irony of it all could kill.
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Old 17.09.2012, 17:41
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well, the movie is a vehicle to stir up hate. its used by (maybe?) al kaida to weaken the democratic processes going on or what ever other idea is behind that.
Na, it's either some malicious fool out to cause trouble, or its some ultra-hyper-troll who is enjoying the outrage he's causing.

Ever since those Danish cartoons, everybody knows that if you want to be famous that there's one easy way to go there.
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I can't believe you guys are discussing the crusades. Hellooo, it is 2012 !!!!

nono, i said if we start to... we could go on forever... and this in regard to the question when muslims offended jews, christians, etc...
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Na, it's either some malicious fool out to cause trouble, or its some ultra-hyper-troll who is enjoying the outrage he's causing.

Ever since those Danish cartoons, everybody knows that if you want to be famous that there's one easy way to go there.

absolutely! but why is this film recepted in that to mob around the embassys way and not like you said: idiot and/or troll? you know, if somebody came here and said al kaida did a movie saying jesus is shaite, ok! id head on to globus to get some wine from last weeks sale. it does not have any impact on me! i dont know why any of those peeps lightning up american flags think the US´foreign politics does directly inflict their lives? no school, no job, no food, no money is no result of that. its a sum of many facts down there. though id like to have less american culture around me...
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Not all Muslims are extremist but they get tarred with the same brush
Kashim, I went through this thread and checked your posts, not once have you, as a Muslim I presume, condemned these murders and atrocities. Rather you have entered into a pathetic pissing contest on whose holy book is most authentic.
So I'm opening the platform for you now to condemn these action and express how ashamed you are. Go ahead.
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i dont know why any of those peeps lightning up american flags think the US´foreign politics does directly inflict their lives?
To be fair: If you happen to be a Muslim radical in Yemen did the US drone attacks (which happen with the governments of both Yemen as well as Saudi backing them in reality but claim not to in the press...) of the past years fairly likely directly influence your life... it is one of the conflicts that don't even get to page 20, but that makes it not less real.
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To be fair: If you happen to be a Muslim radical in Yemen did the US drone attacks (which happen with the governments of both Yemen as well as Saudi backing them in reality but claim not to in the press...) of the past years fairly likely directly influence your life... it is one of the conflicts that don't even get to page 20, but that makes it not less real.

ok, but egypt? i mean there are many jumping on the bandwagon now...
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ok, but egypt? i mean there are many jumping on the bandwagon now...
Exactly, muslims in Australia and the UK have hardly been subject to drone attacks for the past 20 years. Unless there's been a HUGE cover-up .

I read Muslim groups in Switzerland are also considering a protest .
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The muslims just take advantage of this movie to kill non muslim people and behave like animals as usual. Youtube is full of muslim propaganda against jews, christians, european countries, America, and I didn't see anyone burn the muslims countries embassies in U.S or Europe.

Just have a look at this:

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Then why aren't ALL other Muslims going out of their way to condemn the violence and murder in the wake of this "film"?
Yes, that is such a wasted opportunity. Why do the great majority of Muslims, who are peaceful - NOT loudly and publicly CONDEMN those acts of barbarisms, which does them and their faith no good at all, and are used as an excuse by so many to be anti-Islam and 'racist'. I am no Christian- but I have to say that should such attrocities be committed by Christians in the name of their religion today- the majority of Christians would come out to condemn them.

PS - could we change the title. 'That' film is definitely not a 'Muslim film'
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