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Old 02.10.2012, 18:23
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I call bullshit on this.

What often bothers me and my chest full of asthma more than the stench of a smoker, is his mindlessness and weakness. Mindlessly sucking away on carcinogenic effluvium with no purpose.

What ever happened to the sense of seeming satisfaction that is supposedly derived from smoking, like after sex, a meal or with a strong drink? Smokers seem to punctuate their lives with 'must smoke before getting on train' 'must smoke as soon as get off train' 'must smoke to use ATM' 'must smoke when cash in wallet' 'must smoke when wake up' 'must smoke before bed' 'must smoke when finished smoking' We'll never know if they'll want to smoke once they've died of emphysema. Lungs collapsed, must smoke....

Aahhh, what an achiever!

Grow a brain.
Hahahaha what an idiot.

Other points:

-Women smoke too...just saying
-Why do we need a purpose? My purpose is because I want to, and can, and it has f all to do with you or your asthma

Lets not start another 9 pages of why your chest hurts and why I couldnt give a shit. No ones opinions change.

The OP makes a good point, people dont care about the issues/nonissues that are not as widely publicised as they are not forced into their mindset, even though many issues are far more alarming and concerning than whether you may have an increased chance of a smoking related illness if you bath in the smoke of a million smokers for many years in a non ventilated room for the best part of your life.
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Old 02.10.2012, 18:27
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There may be a minority who fall into the 'superiority' (as you put it) category but for most people its just a plain health choice.
Why should someone expect to do something that others find disgusting or damaging to their health and not expect to be asked to stop or do it elsewhere?
I used to smoke years ago but I was always considerate of others.
To me its simply this, theres (a) considerate smokers and (b) inconsiderate smokers who really piss people off by inflicting their habit on others.
If you fall into category (b) then you're likely to hear about it from non-smokers....
as was mentioned before, this thread is not about smoking, although I agree with your classing of a and b both for smokers and non-smokers. I was just carrying over the idea, that many will be quiet about a negative concept if it interferes with how they've decided to live their life.
There are many things worse in the world (to one's personal health as well as societies well being) that are ignored or swept under the rug because it requires change to a comfortable lifestyle.
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I think (with all due respect) this is not about smoking/non smoking. The question is who is more morally right:
- the one that smokes in the presence of kids/non-smokers, knowing that it is harmful for people being in immediate physical environment
- the one that buys iPhone knowing that people working to assemble it are doing it in extremely horrible conditions, and where suicides are daily business.


Or to the bystanders / high-horse riders:
- why noone has complained to "I want iPhone" crowd that they are doing (if they are) something that hurts other people indirectly?
You are always correct to complain about something that is damaging to your health. Always.

But youre not always correct to complain about working conditions in China when you, i dont know, own a car, eat meat, eat food that was grown using pestecides, or own clothes thay may or may not have been made by a 13 yr old in god knows where....

As for the high horse question, you'd need some balls to go around telling people they're wrong to buy an iphone because some crazy person jumped off a roof. And if you extend this then every meat eater sould be chastised in the street for the enviornmental damage caused by factory farms, every car owner for consuming oil etc etc.

That doesn't happen because its outside ones 'personal sphere' and not a direct and immediate threat to ones existance, unless you actually live beside a factory farm or something....
But owning an iphone and complaining about 2nd hand smoke does not make you a hyppocrite....
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Old 02.10.2012, 18:55
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But owning an iphone and complaining about 2nd hand smoke does not make you a hyppocrite....

And why not? If one chooses to carelessly buy product, that is manufactured in the dubious way, where the very people that are making it are abused, humiliated (and in the end commit suicide), and you know about it (note the knowledge here), you are inconsiderate. Not only inconsiderate, you are cruel.

Some people (see this thread) will justify it with "their choice, the workers would suffer even worse shall they not work there, etc". Which is absolutely morally wrong justification. But it happens out of sight...


Isn't it an interesting standpoint? Many people would feel repelled by a mother smoking a ciggie and holding a baby in the same time; but not many would feel anything if someone holds a newly-purchased iPhone. Is it because our brain is not wired to make extrapolations out of (proven, read) facts unless you see it? Or unless you smell it?
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Old 02.10.2012, 18:56
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as was mentioned before, this thread is not about smoking, although I agree with your classing of a and b both for smokers and non-smokers. I was just carrying over the idea, that many will be quiet about a negative concept if it interferes with how they've decided to live their life.
There are many things worse in the world (to one's personal health as well as societies well being) that are ignored or swept under the rug because it requires change to a comfortable lifestyle.
True
But one is 'in your face' and 'provokes' an immediate reaction.

The other requires us to check that everything we buy is 'ethically manufactured' which isnt realistic most of the time.

But in the broader scope an embargo on goods manufactured in communist countries like China wouldnt be a bad thing. Its corporate greed that facilitates it and we facilitate corporate greed by buying the products - no doubt about that.

But comparing it to the 'morality' of asking others to respect your health is a pointless waste of time.
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Re: Smoking with iPhone 5

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And why not? If one chooses to carelessly buy product, that is manufactured in the dubious way, where the very people that are making it are abused, humiliated (and in the end commit suicide), and you know about it (note the knowledge here), you are inconsiderate. Not only inconsiderate, you are cruel.

Some people (see this thread) will justify it with "their choice, the workers would suffer even worse shall they not work there, etc". Which is absolutely morally wrong justification. But it happens out of sight...


Isn't it an interesting standpoint? Many people would feel repelled by a mother smoking a ciggie and holding a baby in the same time; but not many would feel anything if someone holds a newly-purchased iPhone. Is it because our brain is not wired to make extrapolations out of (proven, read) facts unless you see it? Or unless you smell it?
OK so your saying I can't ask people to respect MY health (by smoking elsewhere for example) because I didnt respect the well being of the factory workers by buying an iPhone.
You don't need me to tell you that there's an enormous jump required to make that link.
To everyone who bought an iPhone with detailed knowledge of what their action entailed for specific individuals, maybe you can shout boooo!
To the other 99.9% who dont have a clue about the impact of their decision, you'll just have to keep spreading the message.
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And why not? If one chooses to carelessly buy product, that is manufactured in the dubious way, where the very people that are making it are abused, humiliated (and in the end commit suicide), and you know about it (note the knowledge here), you are inconsiderate. Not only inconsiderate, you are cruel.

Some people (see this thread) will justify it with "their choice, the workers would suffer even worse shall they not work there, etc". Which is absolutely morally wrong justification. But it happens out of sight...


Isn't it an interesting standpoint? Many people would feel repelled by a mother smoking a ciggie and holding a baby in the same time; but not many would feel anything if someone holds a newly-purchased iPhone. Is it because our brain is not wired to make extrapolations out of (proven, read) facts unless you see it? Or unless you smell it?
I bought an iPhone because my wife wanted one. Actually, I bought 3 of them, since 2 of my kids are old enough to have legitimate need for a phone. To be honest, the only thing that bothered me about buying the iPhones was the fact that they were made in China, instead of the US. Of course, one of the reasons they were made in China is because the US has these pesky things known as "labor laws" and "worker rights", whereas the Chinese don't seem to give a shit about the well-being of their own people.

And if the Chinese don't give a shit about their own people, why should I? If the Chinese sense of "morality" fails to abhor the behavior you seem to protest so much about, why should I impose my own sense of moraltiy upon them? Or, worse yet, allow the Chinese sense of morality to somehow dictate my own?
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Re: Smoking with iPhone 5

Comparing a complaint about smokers vs iPhone owners would make sense, as both involve damaging the health of a third party (i.e. not the complainer).

You're wanting to compare complaints about second hand smoke (i.e. smokers standing next to the complainer and smoking) and iPhone owners. They can't be compared (as the only issue in the former is the negative affect on the complainer him/herself).
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Re: Smoking with iPhone 5

What about Android phone owners - or those with an old Nokia where the battery lasts forever?

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What ever happened to the sense of seeming satisfaction that is supposedly derived from smoking, like after sex, a meal or with a strong drink? .
What happened? When advertising cigarettes was banned smokers no longer knew what "after action satisfaction" was ........ so now smokers are confused and without direction about when to smoke

Like those beer adverts ..... big strong He-Man who carries his own crate of beers over rivers and thru waterfalls ........ beer drinkers are now wimps who sit at pub counter and order one bottle
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Comparing a complaint about smokers vs iPhone owners would make sense, as both involve damaging the health of a third party (i.e. not the complainer).

You're wanting to compare complaints about second hand smoke (i.e. smokers standing next to the complainer and smoking) and iPhone owners. They can't be compared (as the only issue in the former is the negative affect on the complainer him/herself).
Because the OP knows the power of the word SMOKERS!

Start any topic and include the word "smokers" and you got a sure-fire hit thread!

How about a thread detailing working conditions of the north African children pickers of cocoa pods for Nestlè`s chocolate manufacture ........ include a comparison to smokers ...... and watch the flames
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Re: Smoking with iPhone 5

We keep being told that buying iPhones forces people to commit suicide. Wasn't that whole thing somewhat debunked months ago by simple statistics?

What's the statistical difference on suicides inside and outside the factory working population?


Btw, as I type this in my iPhone whilst standing in a train platform some chap just lit up and blew smoke in my face. Nice.
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We keep being told that buying iPhones forces people to commit suicide. Wasn't that whole thing somewhat debunked months ago by simple statistics?

What's the statistical difference on suicides inside and outside the factory working population?
No-one and nothing forces anyone to commit suicide. It`s a personal choice.The Indian farmers I mentioned previously - their ignorance is their un-doing, they have not learned to distrust big american pesticide firms, maybe in the future their off-spring will be wiser?

Long ago, if a river dried up, the population living and depending on that river either moved elsewhere, or died out. Same with food - wild animals to hunt/crops.

Now ........ everyone is kept alive, no-one is "allowed" to die? The "have`s" are expected to subsidise the "have-nots". And the "have-nots" have not yet realised there is a cost to everything in life.

Factory conditions have never really been the best, only in 1st world countries are they closely monitored and have good standards - and therefore their goods are more expensive.
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I call bullshit on this.

What often bothers me and my chest full of asthma more than the stench of a smoker, is his mindlessness and weakness. Mindlessly sucking away on carcinogenic effluvium with no purpose.

What ever happened to the sense of seeming satisfaction that is supposedly derived from smoking, like after sex, a meal or with a strong drink? Smokers seem to punctuate their lives with 'must smoke before getting on train' 'must smoke as soon as get off train' 'must smoke to use ATM' 'must smoke when cash in wallet' 'must smoke when wake up' 'must smoke before bed' 'must smoke when finished smoking' We'll never know if they'll want to smoke once they've died of emphysema. Lungs collapsed, must smoke....



Aahhh, what an achiever!

Grow a brain.
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Smoking with an i-Phone 5??? Cigarette smoke tarnishing the life work of the great design fetishist Steve Jobs?? How dare they?
Call the UN!!
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Well, I suppose it has been at least a week since the last comment on a smoking thread...
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Has anyone mentioned people with dogs that smoke brown sugar?

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Has anyone mentioned people with dogs that smoke brown sugar?

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