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Laundry washing

I currently live in a share flat with two other swiss people.

Anyway, yesterday I needed to do my washing as I had run out of clean clothes. There is no dryer, so we have to share 2 portable clothes lines. Both flatmates were using the portable clothes lines. I had no where else to hang my washing as it was raining, so I checked to see if one of my flatmates clothes were dry. They appeared to be 95% dry, so I thought she wouldn't mind if I took her clothes off the line so I could use it. Boy was I wrong!

I had put the washing line in my room and hanged my clothes on it. Later that night, I came home and discovered my WET clothes thrown in a pile on my desk, with the clothes line gone. Along with the washing was a nasty note saying "NEVER do a thing like this again! I'm really angry now!!! My clothes weren't dry & I find its very ungently!"

I confronted her and apologized, saying that her clothes appeared to be dry, and that I had no where else to hang mine. I explained to her that I had no clean clothes... and that I had been waiting a few days until a clothes line was free. She also mentioned that it was an "invasion of privacy" taking her clothes off the line, despite the fact that she hangs them up in the bathroom for anyone to see. If she didn't want anyone to see her clothes, shouldn't she hang them in her room?

I find it laughable that she thinks its an invasion of privacy, yet she stormed into my room while I was out, took my WET washing off the line and threw them onto my desk.

If it were the other way around and she had no where to hang her washing, I wouldn't have a problem with her taking my washing off the line (if it were in the bathroom) so she could use it. I can't understand why she would get so angry about this? Also why couldn't she just speak to me about it, instead of leaving some nasty note?

All I did was take her washing off the line, and she acts as if its the end of the world.

Has anyone else encountered a similar issue with the swiss?
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Re: Laundry washing

You think a lot, write a lot and don't talk to people very much, don't you? Why didn't you ask her before?
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You think a lot, write a lot and don't talk to people very much, don't you? Why didn't you ask her before?
She was out, and often isn't home until late. If she was home I would have asked her, but sometimes I don't even see her for days.
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Re: Laundry washing

Good morning...

These are part an parcel of the challenges one faces when living with another person. Some get offended with this, others with that.

Heaps easier to just get another washing line for yourself (less than 20 chf from Migro, Coop Bau & Hobby, Jumbo). Put your name on it.
And let this little tiff lie.
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Re: Laundry washing

To be fully integrated here you need to buy some Post-it sticky papers. You then write nasty notes and leave them lying around the shared living areas, unsigned of course and adressed to nobody in particular.

This is going to happen again, isn't it? Buy yourself a clothes line. As there are only two, they are probably for private use, and not for your use anyway. Did you ask?
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To be fully integrated here you need to buy some Post-it sticky papers. You then write nasty notes and leave them lying around the shared living areas, unsigned of course and adressed to nobody in particular.

This is going to happen again, isn't it? Buy yourself a clothes line. As there are only two, they are probably for private use, and not for your use anyway. Did you ask?
Yes, they are for everyone's use.

So its the "swiss way" to leave nasty notes instead of confronting a person and talking to them about it?
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So its the "swiss way" to leave nasty notes instead of confronting a person and talking to them about it?
Very much so, you need to read up the sad stories in the complaints section.
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Re: Laundry washing

Have you though of exchanging contact information with your flat mates, so you can call them if such an issue arises in the future? Also, I agree with the posters who said you should just buy a third line.
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Re: Laundry washing

I'd feel a bit strange for someone to touch my clothes, depending upon what it was - but because of this, I NEVER hang any underclothes on shared lines, always only on my private-use hanger in my flat.

So, if she had her panties hanging there, I can see her point - regardless of you seeing them, touching them still feels a bit odd. (Maybe it's a female thing)


Meanwhile, as others have said - definitely get yourself a clothes hanger. Regardless of whether the other is supplied by landlord for "common use", things will go more smoothly for you if you don't have to worry about waiting on others.
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Re: Laundry washing

Obviously its a swiss thing haha, I wouldnt have a Problem if my clothes appeared dry if you took mine off! wtf lol But yeah as the others said, just get a third line, we live in a funny country with not very considerate people. So to save yourself agroe in future get another line Yeah swiss people are very peculiar.
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Old 01.11.2012, 08:21
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Re: Laundry washing

I am in agreement that an additional line for your room is the best solution for this specific problem.

However, I would not be surprised if you run upon other conflicts in the future with your flatmates regarding "shared" space or items, or possibly issues like one of you bringing friends up to the flat, etc. Have you had a discussion with the other two about the use of the shared washing machine, etc.? What would you have done if one of the other's wet clothing was in the machine at the time you needed it?

An open, up-front discussion among the three of you about these sorts of things may help avoid future conflict. Perhaps you could take the lead in planning such a meeting since at least one flatmate is gone much of the time?

I would also add that I believe the nationality of your flatmates is irrelevant; the need of flatmates/roommates to discuss "house rules" in order to make life together run more smoothly is universal.

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Re: Laundry washing

I would also be p****d off if someone would take my clothes from the hanger! I understand you need to dry your clothes also, but can't you wait few hours to ASK me if I could take the clothes so that you can put yours? Also, why do you wait until the moment you have nothing to wear to wash your clothes?
Once , it was my washing day in the building (we have a list with the names and days we can wash) and one of the neighbours came to ask me if she can put some clothes in the drier room and I was happy to let her do it.
But for someone to take away my clothes, especially when they are not 100% dry (I hate when my clothes are not dry) I would say something to you! Of course , if you really need to dry them, I can take my clothes and put them on the radiator or somewhere where they can dry but you don't touch MY clothes.
You should talk and come up with a plan so that each of you can wash and dry you clothes in peace.
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Re: Laundry washing

Problem: tiny
Risk of reoccurance: huge
Solution: learn to to talk to people
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Re: Laundry washing

As you admit yourself " the clothes APPEARED 95% dry" pretty cavalier attitude to take towards somebody elses property.

You need to learn to live with other people or return to the outback quickly
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Re: Laundry washing

Good Morning,

I hesitate to comment, but I guess you want feedback or you wouldn't post, right?

I haven't had a room mate since my college days, but even with the best of friends, there are things that get annoying after a while. If you're in a flat share situation where you have nothing in common other than you share a roof, then those little annoyances tend to stack up over time. Cultural differences magnify this enormously.

AussieSwiss, I obviously don't know you at all, but from your previous posts it seems like maybe before you moved here you had an idealized notion of what Switzerland should be, and that the reality hasn't measured up.

Speaking for myself, I know that I got pretty homesick for the first little while, even with a family support system here. I can't imagine how isolated I would have felt if I were making the move alone. Some of the challenges that I had were pretty infuriating, and I'm sure that I wasn't the easiest person to live with. I still get grumpy from time to time when things (and interactions with people) don't work the way I'm used to. Even now I still have to fight the constant urge to say "this isn't how we do it at home, our way is so much better."

I'm sure you're a nice guy (I think your a guy, right?) but I'm going to suggest that some of your issues might come from your own feeling of being an outsider. Given enough time and the rights attitude, I'm sure you can thrive here, but instead of expecting everyone and everything else to change, because it's outside of your comfort zone, you might approach situations with the mindset of graciously learning something new, and realizing that things here will NEVER be like they were "back home"

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Re: Laundry washing

As others have said, living with people you don't know well means learning to communicate and compromise. At the beginning one needs to fine tune one's radar for that sort of thing in order to avoid - or negotiate one's way through - misunderstandings with the potential to blow up out of proportion.

As you browse the complaints section, you'll find that laundry is an especially sensitive topic.

In fact it's such a sensitive topic here that laundry room relations were even covered in my beginning German class. I kid you not - there actually was a chapter in our Deutsch 1 book titled 'Streit in der Waschküche' - the vocabularly focused on how to say 'sorry'.

(Another incentive to keep plugging away at learning German. )

So buy your flatmate some flowers or a box of chocolate, say sorry, and put it behind you.
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Re: Laundry washing

This happened to me recently. We have 3 people in our building that use the laundry. My neighbor and I usually use it for 1 whole day leaving 5 other days in the week open. Well my neighbor told me one day she went down to the laundry where she had already started to do a wash load. Her wash load was in the dryer and the other neighbor chose it to take upon herself to do a wash load of her own and put the other neighbor's load in the dryer.

First thing learned, NEVER, EVER touch anyone else's laundry, rather in the machines or on the line. Besides an invasion of privacy, people have very particular ways of doing laundry and not just here. Even on the drying clothes line there are somethings I don't put next to each other or close to each other because colors may run and I fold things in a certain manner hoping to avoid wrinkles.

Solution: I didn't want this to happen to me so I put a note in each neighbors box asking them to sign up for times and days they would like to reserve. Everyone responded and I put the paper on the laundry door. I noted I would update the paper every week for people to sign up. And also added my # and email, because you recognize there could be an emergency (my dog puked on our couch throw once, my husband spilled red wine on his shirt), where you would like to do something right away.

Seems to be working ok......
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Re: Laundry washing

I know how you feel, I bought a house to get away from the tedious laundry disputes. I spent one year living in a flat, pushed me to breaking point.
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Yes, they are for everyone's use.

So its the "swiss way"?
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I think she needs to dry the clothes in her bedroom and not taking up space in the shared bathroom.
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