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Great, but if positives outweigh the negatives- why join EF just to be negative
I think you could ask the same question to 80% of the forum membership, which is probably why it seems to familiar.
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Old 04.11.2012, 14:33
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Re: Swiss are COLD!

I totally agree that the Swiss are cold. That's one of the many things I like about living here. For example as a windsurfer I was worried when I first arrived here over 24 years ago was that I would have to make pleasant conversation with my fellow surfers, as my German was so bad.

I needn't have worried. Nobody ever spoke to me...
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They are I am telling you. Verdict is in after 20 years of living in German speaking part.

You haven't visited Geneva yet, have you ? You'll find the German part very warm
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To the OP: don't worry about your reception here. Another member joined the forum not so long ago with a similarly entertaining rant about the Swiss, got groaned and neg repped to buggery, and he's been promoted to moderator already! It's like Dick Whittington all over again, just without the cat.

Anyway, regarding the 'cold' Swiss, all I can say is that one's mileage, clearly, can vary a great deal. I know some really sound Swiss people, with whom I can go a pint or six and talk bollocks all night without anyone checking her agenda or shunning me for not having known me since kindergarten. The frequency of sound Swiss people does seem to increase somewhat the further away you get from the Greater Zurich area, but even in the smoky metropolis there are some decent sorts.

Having said that, the culture in general is somewhat reserved. I like that. I've lived in Greece, and absolutely loved it, but one thing that used to get on my nerves was the fact that if I couldn't sit in a cafe or bar without being invited to talk about football or politics or whether I preferred Greece to England. When I was in a good mood, it was wonderful - I got horribly drunk at the expense of some very friendly, outgoing people on several dozen hundred occasions - but when I was in a bad mood, after a bad day at work or feeling a bit homesick, it was a bloody nightmare. In Switzerland this almost never happens: people are polite, will greet you as you enter the establishment, but then will leave you be to read your book or stare at the walls or play Angry Birds or whatever. Lovely! The same goes for trams, trains and out and about. You'll get a smile and a 'Gruezi' but no hassle, no unwanted conversation, no insistence on accepting yet another glass of firewater before you go (OK, I miss that last one just a little).

So yeah, on the surface, many of the locals can come across a bit cold by British or Mediterranean standards, but they're alright really. In most cases, I don't think they mean any harm by it.
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Re: Swiss are COLD!

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To the OP: don't worry about your reception here. Another member joined the forum not so long ago with a similarly entertaining rant about the Swiss, got groaned and neg repped to buggery, and he's been promoted to moderator already! It's like Dick Whittington all over again, just without the cat.

Anyway, regarding the 'cold' Swiss, all I can say is that one's mileage, clearly, can vary a great deal. I know some really sound Swiss people, with whom I can go a pint or six and talk bollocks all night without anyone checking her agenda or shunning me for not having known me since kindergarten. The frequency of sound Swiss people does seem to increase somewhat the further away you get from the Greater Zurich area, but even in the smoky metropolis there are some decent sorts.

Having said that, the culture in general is somewhat reserved. I like that. I've lived in Greece, and absolutely loved it, but one thing that used to get on my nerves was the fact that if I couldn't sit in a cafe or bar without being invited to talk about football or politics or whether I preferred Greece to England. When I was in a good mood, it was wonderful - I got horribly drunk at the expense of some very friendly, outgoing people on several dozen hundred occasions - but when I was in a bad mood, after a bad day at work or feeling a bit homesick, it was a bloody nightmare. In Switzerland this almost never happens: people are polite, will greet you as you enter the establishment, but then will leave you be to read your book or stare at the walls or play Angry Birds or whatever. Lovely! The same goes for trams, trains and out and about. You'll get a smile and a 'Gruezi' but no hassle, no unwanted conversation, no insistence on accepting yet another glass of firewater before you go (OK, I miss that last one just a little).

So yeah, on the surface, many of the locals can come across a bit cold by British or Mediterranean standards, but they're alright really. In most cases, I don't think they mean any harm by it.
What this all boils down to, IMO, is that we all have biases. In this case, the biases probably stem from our parent culture. To be successful in a foreign land requires recognizing our biases and what they mean. This does not also mean we must abandon our biases; they may still serve useful purposes. What it does mean is that we control them (the biases) instead of the other way around.
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Excellent post, thanks. When I lived in the UK, I used to say that to the many French, Swiss, Italians, Germans - I worked with and who spent all their time complaining and moaning, instead of trying to find ways to work with the differences, or make the differences work for them.

Very few lasted more than a couple of years, especially those who spent all their time socialising practically only with their 'own'.
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Excellent post, thanks. When I lived in the UK, I used to say that to the many French, Swiss, Italians, Germans - I worked with and who spent all their time complaining and moaning, instead of trying to find ways to work with the differences, or make the differences work for them.

Very few lasted more than a couple of years.
The difference being, of course, that Switzerland is quite a nice place to live, whereas England isn't.

No wonder these people didn't last more than a couple of years. I'm surprised most of the English do...
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Re: Swiss are COLD!

M240, where are you from originally pre-CH ?
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Re: Swiss are COLD!

I have nothing against the Swiss as I have some very nice friends. My rant goes all to the sad rude rigorous jerks not thinking outside of the box without social skills working at the Zurich airport where I had my flight connection yesterday.

That biartch...

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The difference being, of course, that Switzerland is quite a nice place to live, whereas England isn't.

No wonder these people didn't last more than a couple of years. I'm surprised most of the English do...
Nope - loved it, lived in 4 different locations. London, Surrey, Staffs and East Leicestershire. Always will - and if ever we have to move back there, it would be fine with me - but I love it here too. As you said, just hate this oft repeated and stupid question 'which is best, CH or UK' - or the other 'which do you like best'. Love both, differently. A little bit like a parent can love his/her children just as much - but differently. You never ask parents 'which of your children do you love best?'. Which does not stop me from being critical of 'some' aspects, both here and there, or indeed anywhere.
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I don't. ......



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We have 10000s of fabulous photos of fabulous places in the UK - I can assure you. In the Peak District, Yorkshire Dales, North Norfolk Coast, Devon and Cornwall, Lake District, Northumberland - and even East Leicestershire and Rutland- the list is endless.

So sad when ex-pats come to hate their own and amazing wonderful country. There is just no need - you can love and appreciate both - differently. And this is what I love most - the differences, not the similarities

So many ex-pats dream of Switzerland changing to become more like 'back home'- what one earth is the point of travelling and going to live abroad, be it for a few years, or for a long time - it's the same as 'back home'???
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So sad when ex-pats come to hate their own and amazing wonderful country.
1) I am not an expat - I am an emigrant.

2) I haven't come to "hate" my own country. I simply don't like it as much as Switzerland. And there is little 'amazing' or 'wonderful' about England. It's grey, wet, antiquated, crumbling and depressing. But at least the Brits have got a "great sense of humour!"...

They need it to live there without topping themselves.
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Not here - you are an immigrant, surely

Well, each to their own. I love England (overall - and yes some aspects/places are less savoury) - and a part of my heart will always be there- especially as my grand-children live there, as well as family and fantastic friends
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M240, where are you from originally pre-CH ?
Multiple countries from east to west. Anyway it is irrelevant as unlike typical expats I don't think any of those countries were better than Switzerland. Like Dougal's Breakfast I am an emigrant.

Still does not change the fact that Swiss are colder than most cultures I have come across and overly complicated. I like Switzerland and Swiss despite their coldness but not because of their coldness.
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There's no such thing as a non-stray cat imo. Shoot them all. The practice makes it easier for when you move up to dogs.
I was just being politically correct. Can't be politically incorrect on more than 3 different subjects at the same time.

1- Cold Swiss
2- Cat Meat
3- Backhand slaps

To do list- Dog meat.
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Multiple countries from east to west. Anyway it is irrelevant as unlike typical expats I don't think any of those countries were better than Switzerland.
I was just wondering if you came from a country where people are very warm...
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Re: Swiss are COLD!

I think the Swiss just don't wear their emotions "on their sleeves" as much as some other cultures do (e.g. Americans). But that doesn't mean they're cold. Maybe they're just a bit more restrained.

When I had my baby last year, almost every Swiss family in my building brought me a gift. It was so sweet. And I can pretty much guarantee that never would have happened if I had been living in an apartment building in America.

But (theoretically), if a lack of emotions was to be responsible for the fact that there isn't much crime here or things like "road rage", etc. -- then I'm all for it!
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I was just wondering if you came from a country where people are very warm...
With your eyes closed pick any place on world map and it would be warmer than Switzerland
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I am really cold actually - just come in from doing jobs in the garden and it has started to sleet Cosy inside- warming up quickly.
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