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Old 20.11.2012, 18:44
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to join an interview, i need to go to dublin/ireland at the beginning of this december. of course, being a non-EU earthling, i need to make a visa application for short-term business stay. so, i gather all the documents and send away to the embassy. i have to be honest, they are very kind and reply fast. however, now i am requested to provide a detailed bank statement for the last six months in order to prove i have sufficient funds for my visit.

i can understand the necessity of this, as no one would like to have a burden on their state. however, i have already provided my current balance as proof of sufficient funds, which shows what i have to spend during this period. (well, the flight and hotel expenses are already covered by the company, so, i need to cover just the personal expenses for five days)

so, how do the visa authorities use this extra information of months of transactions in my account mainly for grocery shopping to decide on sufficiency of available finances? do they graph my expenditures and profile my habits to extrapolate for the expenses i might make during my stay?

also, isn't it invasion of privacy? i thought, until recently, even courts had trouble asking for personal bank statements from swiss banks.

having said that, i will have to provide the list anyways. not really a big problem per se. but just wanted to shout a little bit while doing it. maybe, i should have written with capital letters, that would have felt better
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Old 20.11.2012, 18:46
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Re: visa application cavity search

I fully understand, having faced the UK, and US ( and Australian ) visa regimes.

I just updated the Irish thread:

Short stay visa waiver to Éire ( Republic of Ireland )
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Old 20.11.2012, 19:10
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so, how do the visa authorities use this extra information of months of transactions in my account mainly for grocery shopping to decide on sufficiency of available finances? do they graph my expenditures and profile my habits to extrapolate for the expenses i might make during my stay?
They are just checking that somebody hasn't loaned you the money for a day just so you can get in - they want to check the money is yours and that you really have access to it.

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also, isn't it invasion of privacy? i thought, until recently, even courts had trouble asking for personal bank statements from swiss banks.
No, because they can't obtain it without your consent. They can only ask that you freely and knowingly give them that information. They have no obligation to let you into their country, and you don't have to give them the information if you don't go there.

Annoying, but that's how these things work. They have something you want, so you have to dance to their tune until they're prepared to give it to you. It's less worrying than some of the biometric info you have to give in perpetuity to some countries to get in. That goes out of date a lot slower than your bank balance...
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Old 20.11.2012, 19:25
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Re: visa application cavity search

There is also a political element to it - country A annoys country B, country B makes the visa process more demanding / annoying / irrelevant for people in country A. Childish but true
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Old 20.11.2012, 19:45
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They are just checking that somebody hasn't loaned you the money for a day just so you can get in - they want to check the money is yours and that you really have access to it.
Plus they might want to check if you have a regular income.
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Old 20.11.2012, 20:21
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Re: visa application cavity search

to avoid these kinds of searches, you can provide the embassy a statement from your employer (specially since you are going on business):

- indicating how long you have been working at the company.
- what your salary is
- that you are a full time employee
- your travel needs are for business
- the company will be covering your expenses

And include bank balance, and a couple of confirmations of your salary going into your bank.

I've had many embassies ask for and some almost insist on bank statements. I have always provided them the documents above (at max) and a verbal discussion if necessary, and never been refused a visa anywhere.

I have always had issues with embassies trying to justify bank statements for review, via "various" different arguments. If they really want to check, they
can check to see if my name is on the "betreibungsamt" and/or my criminal record. That is what the application fee is for, among other expenses.

Embassies have no business into where I shop nor how often I go to the pub, buy cigarettes, etc. etc. etc. This just boils down to almost "profiling". I know banks who like to see how often one goes to the pub, how much is spent at the pub, how often i go out to eat, how I spend my money, etc. etc.

Just my $0.02's worth.

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Old 20.11.2012, 20:34
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Re: visa application cavity search

well, that's the annoying part; you cannot argue if you ask for the visa... yet, one has to understand that certain control over who gets in is necessary.. but, as a country, you wouldn't want to miss much of business/tourism income, too...

though, i feel like the hardened process makes the task of the visitor with harmless intentions more difficult. the actual criminals somehow always find a way to 'run abroad'...
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Old 20.11.2012, 22:54
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well, that's the annoying part; you cannot argue if you ask for the visa... yet, one has to understand that certain control over who gets in is necessary.. but, as a country, you wouldn't want to miss much of business/tourism income, too...

though, i feel like the hardened process makes the task of the visitor with harmless intentions more difficult. the actual criminals somehow always find a way to 'run abroad'...
It is very easy to understand. A rich country like Ireland doesn't want people residing in poor countries like Switzerland to come in with some kind of reason and stay forever on the costs of the rich country.




Oh no, it is the other way around. This procedure doesn't make sense at all
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Old 20.11.2012, 22:59
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Re: visa application cavity search

Has the price of Guinness gone up so much, since the bail out?
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Old 20.11.2012, 23:05
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Re: visa application cavity search

Damn it. When I read this thread title I was thinking "cavity search?? I'm going to ask him if they found anything up there."

Unfortunately, the thread title was most misleading. haha
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Old 20.11.2012, 23:24
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Has the price of Guinness gone up so much, since the bail out?
It was high enough as it was

Dublin has been expensive for years now.
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It was high enough as it was

Dublin has been expensive for years now.
come on, no one is going for "the price has been dublin' and dublin' for years" thingy? :P
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Re: visa application cavity search

Quark has it right, they want to see what we call in banking,' seasoned assets'.

Nobody transferred or let you borrow the money recently, plus it shows a record of consistent income over a period of time.
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