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Old 20.02.2013, 17:53
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I do. It literally makes me feel sick. One of the definite downers about living in Switzerland is that smoking in nonsmoking company is socially acceptable here.
And all those chimney pots spewing out smoke in winter!

Funny thing, I don`t mind the smell of smoke, but have noticed that NOBODY smokes indoors here - they all go outdoors - even if invited to smoke in a restricted "smoking" area of house.
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Old 21.02.2013, 01:00
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But how do you detect cigarette smoke, but by THE STUPID SMELL initially??
Well, first, sinuses get completely blocked, then my eyes water, then the phlegm comes up from my lungs. I rarely smell anything because by the time there's anything TO smell, my sinuses are filled with dripping snot.
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Are you sure it`s nothing some chemical in the lab that is affecting you? A bit of drifting cigarette smoke should not make you cough up phlegm all night.
It's an electronics lab with computers and oscilloscopes. I really don't think i'm allergic to semiconductors and resistors.
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Old 21.02.2013, 11:24
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Well, first, sinuses get completely blocked, then my eyes water, then the phlegm comes up from my lungs. I rarely smell anything because by the time there's anything TO smell, my sinuses are filled with dripping snot.
So you have no sense of smell? Because normal people who are non-smokers can smell cigarette smoke instantly on the very first partial breath of smoke - that is before it reaches the sinuses let alone the lungs.

I would seek medical attention...
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Old 21.02.2013, 11:29
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Well, first, sinuses get completely blocked, then my eyes water, then the phlegm comes up from my lungs. I rarely smell anything because by the time there's anything TO smell, my sinuses are filled with dripping snot.
There is someone else on the forum with these issues, I forget who it is now.

But you should get together to be tested as the only human beings, if thats what you are, to have such reactions to "cigarette smoke", if that's what it is.

Think of all you will provide humanity and science with your research. You are unique, which is a good thing, well, two of you are.
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Old 21.02.2013, 11:36
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It's an electronics lab with computers and oscilloscopes. I really don't think i'm allergic to semiconductors and resistors.
Semiconductors and resistors can produce smoke too.

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Did you find a way to resolve this issue pinkpeonie? Did the Mieterverband help?
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Old 21.02.2013, 17:54
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So you have no sense of smell? Because normal people who are non-smokers can smell cigarette smoke instantly on the very first partial breath of smoke - that is before it reaches the sinuses let alone the lungs.

I would seek medical attention...
I have allergies and asthma, the sense of smell is the first to go went there's an irritant around. This includes heavily scented stuff, bug spray and cigarette smoke.

Is it really too much to ask to kindly require others to follow the law? People should not be smoking out an open door, this is illegal based on zurich's passive smoking laws in a workplace. I realise smokers consider their habits benign, but it's not benign to everyone. So if you do this, please stop, nobody is forcing you to not smoke, just minimise the effect on others. Why the hell is that too much to ask for?
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Old 21.02.2013, 18:04
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There is someone else on the forum with these issues, I forget who it is now.

But you should get together to be tested as the only human beings, if thats what you are, to have such reactions to "cigarette smoke", if that's what it is.

Think of all you will provide humanity and science with your research. You are unique, which is a good thing, well, two of you are.
I've seen a respirologist more than once to get my asthma diagnosis and get treatment since I developed it as an adult and that's considered rare.. I've also had a couple of allergy tests. It's really not weird for people to react to perfumes and cigarettes.

Perfumes are considered to be strong allergens, that's why anyone with allergies will be advised to use unscented products if the allergen can't be pinpointed or allergies get worse (this is what I had to do). The scents are considered trade secrets and it's virtually impossible to test for everything that goes in them even if you had an ingredient list, to top it off, most of them contain irritants that everyone reacts to, but minimally unless you have an exaggerated response because allergies are thrown in. As for cigarette smoke, while you can do a skin test for a histamine response, it's only done on children to prove to their parents not to some indoors because most people get a reaction to a cigarette skin test (this is also the case with most pets, strawberries and a host of other items that most people get a positive histamine response to on a skin test). It's not technically an allergy because too many components in cigarettes are toxic. Allergens are not considered inherently toxic.

So yeah, it's been studied and it's pretty common, hence the passive smoking laws popping up throughout the world. If you don't react, great, but if you do, you're others up by smoking in their presence, any denial of this is simply denial.
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Old 21.02.2013, 18:08
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I have allergies and asthma, the sense of smell is the first to go went there's an irritant around. This includes heavily scented stuff, bug spray and cigarette smoke.

Is it really too much to ask to kindly require others to follow the law? People should not be smoking out an open door, this is illegal based on zurich's passive smoking laws in a workplace. I realise smokers consider their habits benign, but it's not benign to everyone. So if you do this, please stop, nobody is forcing you to not smoke, just minimise the effect on others. Why the hell is that too much to ask for?
I was once EF's most militant anti-smoker - obviously not any more...
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I was once EF's most militant anti-smoker - obviously not any more...
By asking people not to smoke when they can harm others? I surmise that most people that don't care about the effect this has on others are sociopaths at a minimum. Considering that 1% of women and 3% of men are sociopaths, that accounts for a very small number of smokers. The rest, if they give a damn will take their smoking habit outdoors and away from others where it should be.
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By asking people not to smoke when they can harm others? I surmise that most people that don't care about the effect this has on others are sociopaths at a minimum. Considering that 1% of women and 3% of men are sociopaths, that accounts for a very small number of smokers. The rest, if they give a damn will take their smoking habit outdoors and away from others where it should be.
I rest my case...
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Old 21.02.2013, 21:33
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By asking people not to smoke when they can harm others? I surmise that most people that don't care about the effect this has on others are sociopaths at a minimum. Considering that 1% of women and 3% of men are sociopaths, that accounts for a very small number of smokers. The rest, if they give a damn will take their smoking habit outdoors and away from others where it should be.
And 0.0000001% suffer as you do.

Numbers eh
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Old 21.02.2013, 21:50
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In the summer our neighbour (apartment directly below) smokes outside. The smoke comes up through our bedroom window. So we have to choose between breathing in & the room stinking of smoke or closing the window and roasting all night. Lovely!

On the reaction to smoke, in the old days, when smoking was allowed in pubs, as soon as I lay down in bed after a night out I would start coughing uncontrollably for a couple of hours. So glad those days are over!
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Old 21.02.2013, 21:58
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In the summer our neighbour (apartment directly below) smokes outside. The smoke comes up through our bedroom window. So we have to choose between breathing in & the room stinking of smoke or closing the window and roasting all night. Lovely!

On the reaction to smoke, in the old days, when smoking was allowed in pubs, as soon as I lay down in bed after a night out I would start coughing uncontrollably for a couple of hours. So glad those days are over!
What do you propose? They go to the end of the road? Could always get yourself some air con ? Or fans?

Coughing uncontrolllably for couple hours? Prob better off being a smoker then as it doesn't happen to smokers, unless they get ill 30+ years down the line, to less than a third of them. But then they do say passive smoke is worse, apparently, even though more smokers get the classic diseases associated with the habit more so than non smokers, so none of it makes sense really.
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Old 21.02.2013, 22:21
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What do you propose? They go to the end of the road?
Erm... clearly not. Hence why I said we suffer or close the window. we have not complained to them. It's just bloody annoying that is all.
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I was once EF's most militant anti-smoker - obviously not any more...
On September 23, 2012 there was a federal referendum in which Swiss voters overwhelmingly rejected the initiative 'Protection against Passive Smoking' (Schutz vor Passivrauchen / Protection contre la fumée passive) calling for the tightening of smoking ban in enclosed public places.

66% of Swiss voters rejected the initiative which would have outlawed smoking in public places in the whole of Switzerland. Among the 23 cantons, only the Republic and Canton of Geneva accepted the initiative.

I have never smoked a cigarette in my life. Also my wife, my parents, sisters don't smoke... Still we all decided to vote against this initiative because it was going way too far...

Occasionally a little passive smoking won't harm you... I am far more concerned by diesel fume particles...



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I just can't respect people that smoke indoors... it just seems so barbaric, something along the lines of forcefully converting people to your religion by threatening to kill them.
I completely agree....i cant respect my neighbours either. They know its a problem, they still smoke constantly. When they say hello to me in the common areas, i ignore them.
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Did you find a way to resolve this issue pinkpeonie? Did the Mieterverband help?
I havent contacted the Mieterverband. Basically because i felt that if i contacted them and then they contacted the landlord, he might throw us out.
Other than that, the issue is not resolved .-(
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I havent contacted the Mieterverband. Basically because i felt that if i contacted them and then they contacted the landlord, he might throw us out.
Other than that, the issue is not resolved .-(
That would not happen. The landlord would not throw you out.

They would just say that no laws are being broken and that tenants are entitled to smoke in their apartments unless there is written rule stipulating not to.

Alas, if you do not like the apartment, you have to look for a new one if thats what you want to do.
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