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Re: Smoking issue from neighbours

We like the apartment...except for the smoking. There are many reasons to move and not to move.

Finding an apartment is difficult in Zurich. Our landlord pays our bills, and we are only here for a 2 year contract which means we have 17 months left. Is it worth moving for this amount of time, which is also quite costly?
The landlord should get it fixed...its not going to resolve itself and is going to be an issue for every other tenant after us anyway.
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Re: Smoking issue from neighbours

Wait it out. Not worth the cost of moving.

Could you not perhaps open the windows on the other side of the apartment to allow fresh air to circulate into the bedroom?
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Re: Smoking issue from neighbours

Its a bit cold outside to open the windows .-)
We have to open the windows in the room that is a problem and close the door and let the room air out over night.....biggest problem is that my parents are coming to stay with us for an entire month and that will be there room!!
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Re: Smoking issue from neighbours

17 months is a long time. Move.
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Old 26.02.2013, 11:42
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Its a bit cold outside to open the windows .-)
We have to open the windows in the room that is a problem and close the door and let the room air out over night.....biggest problem is that my parents are coming to stay with us for an entire month and that will be there room!!
Paint and decorate the room in colours from the 1970s and then furnish it with 1970s furniture.

The lingering smell of stale cigarette smoke will add to the ambience and your parents will probably really appreciate the effort you put into giving that retro-feel to the room.
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In the summer our neighbour (apartment directly below) smokes outside. The smoke comes up through our bedroom window. So we have to choose between breathing in & the room stinking of smoke or closing the window and roasting all night. Lovely!

On the reaction to smoke, in the old days, when smoking was allowed in pubs, as soon as I lay down in bed after a night out I would start coughing uncontrollably for a couple of hours. So glad those days are over!
The way it works, the smokers disregard the research and assume since if doesn't hurt them, it hurts only 1 in a million-- it's called a lack of empathy. Selective belief...

Which is why doctors do skin-histamine tests on children with tobacco extract even though almost everyone reacts to it. It's a useless test used to show idiotic people not to smoke in the presence of their children because there's no way to know which kid is going to end up getting sick from it.
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Old 26.02.2013, 20:50
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On September 23, 2012 there was a federal referendum in which Swiss voters overwhelmingly rejected the initiative 'Protection against Passive Smoking' (Schutz vor Passivrauchen / Protection contre la fumée passive) calling for the tightening of smoking ban in enclosed public places.

66% of Swiss voters rejected the initiative which would have outlawed smoking in public places in the whole of Switzerland. Among the 23 cantons, only the Republic and Canton of Geneva accepted the initiative.

I have never smoked a cigarette in my life. Also my wife, my parents, sisters don't smoke... Still we all decided to vote against this initiative because it was going way too far...

Occasionally a little passive smoking won't harm you... I am far more concerned by diesel fume particles...



More info here:
http://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard...ossier_id=1576

http://bazonline.ch/chart_map.html?id=602
Is this like the initiative to give women the vote in 1959 that went too far?

Actually, a little occasional passive smoking does harm you. There's research, read the Fuç£ing science before dismissing it-- on the points and the stats.. You end up sounding as idiotic as the people going to creationist museums when you spout conventional nonsense based on public opinion that is diametrically opposed to scientific facts..

It's not gotten colder than -5°C all year save 1 night still above -10°C. I don't get how wussy people can get. Put on some weather appropriate clothing and have a smoke outside.. especially with all status-crazed douchbags wearing the Canada Goose jackets made for -40 weather, they really have no reason to be cold outdoors.
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What do you propose? They go to the end of the road? Could always get yourself some air con ? Or fans?

Coughing uncontrolllably for couple hours? Prob better off being a smoker then as it doesn't happen to smokers, unless they get ill 30+ years down the line, to less than a third of them. But then they do say passive smoke is worse, apparently, even though more smokers get the classic diseases associated with the habit more so than non smokers, so none of it makes sense really.
Air conditioning doesn't filter out smoke and fans would only be useful if blowing the air outside.

BTW, smoker's do get sicker than non-smokers. They get more upper respiratory infections and they usually develop a smoker's cough...

Have you actually read any of the research or do you believe everything you read on pro-smoking sites?
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Re: Smoking issue from neighbours

I hope you have already found a solution for this problem but wanted to share my experience in the event that there are others who are being poisoned by the smoke from their neighbors.

Most buildings in CH have a ventilation system that includes a port in the kitchen and the bathroom that draw air in. That means that air is being drawn into the apartment through the cracks between the windows and walls and or an open window. If the little fan in the port works correctly, air will automatically be drawn into the port. If your neighbor smokes with the window open or hangs out of the window or smokes on the balcony, the smoke will come into the apartment. If the neighbor smokes in his/her apartment and his/her ventilation does not work (or they have blocked it with tape) the smoke will exit their window and enter the next open window above.

The laws in Switzerland include details such as noise between the hours of 10 PM and 7 AM are forbidden but, there are no laws in most cities that forbid the smoking neighbors from poisoning everyone around them day and night.

The lawyer with whom I spoke said that there is very little case law. My situation involved an agency representative who smoked and therefore was not motivated to help me. My neighbors (2 to 3 young guys at all times) were not open to my initial neighborly discussions and then became aggressive as I insisted.

If you have a smoking neighbor and cannot talk to him/her, my advice is to give it up. Until the case law and public pressure forces changes in Switzerland, the people who love to smoke will continue to do so.

Written by a former smoker of 20+ years who just finally was able to move away from that situation.
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Re: Smoking issue from neighbours

I am not sure talking to the neighbour is such a bad option. I smoked in my previous apartment for 2 years, then we had a minor clash with my neighbour about their partying on weekday nights with loud music until like 1-2 AM... and he made a small remark about their place smelling like nicotine because of my smoking. It really disturbed me that I am bothering someone like that; I decided to smoke on the balcony instead after, and the situation greatly improved, both with the partying and the smell (they said it was gone soon). Everybody happy. I even fed their cat in the end.

Not necessarily everyone is inconsiderate, I had to no idea they can smell it until they told me. And if I hadn't gone to them about the noise they probably never would have.
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I am not sure talking to the neighbour is such a bad option. I smoked in my previous apartment for 2 years, then we had a minor clash with my neighbour about their partying on weekday nights with loud music until like 1-2 AM... and he made a small remark about their place smelling like nicotine because of my smoking. It really disturbed me that I am bothering someone like that; I decided to smoke on the balcony instead after, and the situation greatly improved, both with the partying and the smell (they said it was gone soon). Everybody happy. I even fed their cat in the end.

Not necessarily everyone is inconsiderate, I had to no idea they can smell it until they told me. And if I hadn't gone to them about the noise they probably never would have.
I have tried to speak to them nicely about it twice. They completely ignored my request......so obviuosly not very nice neighbours. Also the smoking comes with parties, loud music all night and all their friends over constantly. Its like living in a college dorm. They really are a never ending problem!
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Old 19.03.2013, 11:07
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Re: Smoking issue from neighbours

I stick by what I said earlier. 17 months is a long time. Move. Keep looking for a new apartment and hand in your notice. And each time the landlord sends a potential new tenant in to look around, make sure you're there and slag the place off
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Re: Smoking issue from neighbours

Its only 7 months.........actually now its only 3 1/2 months left of the lease. Things have been very good and in the last 3 months we have had only 3 smoking incidents in that time.
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Re: Smoking issue from neighbours

I found this post and thought mayyyyybeee things have changed?
Our neighbor is a chinmey smoker... ALL windows of our appartment directed to his side... I get really grumpy when I can't ventilate my kid's room before sleeping... Is there ANY rule in this case?
(Talking/writing didn't help)
Thanks!
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Our neighbor is a chinmey smoker... ALL windows of our appartment directed to his side... I get really grumpy when I can't ventilate my kid's room before sleeping... Is there ANY rule in this case?
No.

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Why the groans, there is no law or rule for this, common sense, neighbourly attitude maybe, but nothing set in stone
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Why the groans, there is no law or rule for this, common sense, neighbourly attitude maybe, but nothing set in stone
have a look at this
https://www.hausinfo.ch/de/home/rech...g/rauchen.html
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Re: Smoking issue from neighbours

Indeed no reason to groan at Tom, there IS no law, simple as that. The link posted simply calls for "reasoning" and "consideration".

I used to live three or four floors above an Indian family for a few years, also in an older building. They were cooking whatever it was they were cooking daily and the smell travelled all the way up into my apartment up to the point of it being impossible for me to open the pantry in my kitchen as the stink was unbearable; seriously, I'm not sensitive to smells, but this was disgusting. I happen to like Indian food, but if you have to smell (stale) curry or whatever it was every day, then it will turn anyone off of it for good.

However, it was of course their right to cook whatever they wanted, there was clearly no law forbidding them to cook their food, just like there is absolutely no law whatsoever that forbids anyone to smoke in the apartment (unless the lease says so specifically, which clearly isn't the case).

This isn't a case of the neighbors dropping dead from passive smoke. They're bothered by the smell. Too bad, but nothing you can do about that, just like I couldn't do anything about the stink from that damn food. Reason with them or move if it's really that awful.

And btw: it's unlikely these laws (well lack thereof) will be changed any time soon.
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Indeed no reason to groan at Tom, there IS no law, simple as that. .
They groan st2lemans because they disagree with the law and click "groan" to hide their impotence.

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Well, if the windows are closed and the smell is still getting into the apartment (e.g. into your pantry) then there's an issue with the building's ventilation or sealing of the pipework/conduits etc which your landlord should fix.
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True, the call is for the landlord to fix it. But not for "the law" to forbid people to do whatever it is they're doing Granted, in older buildings there are simply certain issues you can't fully avoid... And there's other issues in modern ones, so well, upsides and downsides to anything, really...
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