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Old 01.05.2009, 13:25
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Re: "Bad" neighbours

The thing that get`s my back up is that the people who complain to the building owner have there identity protected, our landlord came over last night and told us that there as been 2 complaints about kids in the garden making noise (WTF it as a playground in the garden so it is obviously for kids to play outside) there are alot of children who live here, and the landlord didn`t say it was directly aimed at us. Anyway we asked who had complained and he said he was not allowed to tell us. Also they complained the kids where still in the garden after 8pm and they wanted there peace on there balconies, the law is 9pm the kids after be inside, and no noise after 10pm, now they seem to want to change the rules
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Old 01.05.2009, 13:36
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Re: "Bad" neighbours

I know... I was wondering whether it's also because lately with the nice weather, the kids have been playing a lot on the balcony (which is about 20SqM) and they have their lunch, dinner and play area there too! And my kids being normal kids will fight too! haha... that could be it! And we are living in a 'family' estate!

But then there's the thing that the letter doesn't specify what noises we were making! At least mention it! And the worst, I can't go around and asking the neighbours who is complaining, I have 12 neighbours!

For the past one year, NO Complain, now suddenly it starts! Strange and weird country!
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Old 01.05.2009, 13:42
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As any new neighbours moved into your area? We got a complaint a few years ago (i can`t remember what about just remember being upset and shocked) years ago and i went around and knocked on all the neighbours (20) and asked them if they had complained about us and they all said no chickens, if someone had a problem with us i prefare they tell me to my face
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Re: "Bad" neighbours

Majoe42, I would write back saying:

a) that you lay great value in good neighbourly relations
b) that you rented the apartment as a family apartment and that children, etc
have to be allowed to play and make noise within acceptable limits
c) that you stick to the rules regarding "quiet times"
d) without more details regarding the complaints it is difficult to comment further

Unless you are actually doing anything which is against the law or against the "Hausordnung" it is difficult to see what else the Verwaltung can do. Maybe you should start keeping a log of other people's transgressions and, if the harassment continues, reply to the Verwaltung with the list and ask them what action they are going to take and why you are being singled out.

Also bear in mind that it is exceedingly difficult to get a tenant out on grounds such as these and that there are avenues open to you to appeal which would drag the process on for ages. The Verwaltung knows that also and it is probably not a situation they want to get in to.

Unfortunately we were in a similar situation once in a building with otherwise only singles and couples. They made our lives such a misery that we ended up doing a deal with the Verwaltung to let us out of our contract early of we found somewhere else to go.
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Old 01.05.2009, 13:50
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As any new neighbours moved into your area? We got a complaint a few years ago (i can`t remember what about just remember being upset and shocked) years ago and i went around and knocked on all the neighbours (20) and asked them if they had complained about us and they all said no chickens, if someone had a problem with us i prefare they tell me to my face
Me too, I'd rather they don't chicken out and come to me! I guess if it's the upstairs neighbour again - he didn't want to hear me tell him off!
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Re: "Bad" neighbours

Hi Snoopy,

Thanks for your advice. We are writing a formal letter to the immobilier ( i dont know what they are really called) and mentioning these issues. we are even attaching a copy of the MieteSchutz wrt children noise etc that are 'out of bounds' for any complaints!

I have decided to keep a log - thanks for the reinforcing this idea!

And as you guessed VERY well the building is full of working people and singles! ALL mid 20's!

And it's nice to have EF to allow me to vent my frustrations and feel better!
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Old 01.05.2009, 13:57
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Me too, I'd rather they don't chicken out and come to me! I guess if it's the upstairs neighbour again - he didn't want to hear me tell him off!
Pat on the back for sticking up for yourself

snoopy i am sorry that you was in that situation i can`t understand why single people, or couples who don`t want noise from childrewn move into places where they know there are children, there was a couple living here (they moved last year) that made my friends life a missery my friend had 4 children and the women upstairs hated children (miserable thing never smiled, or said hello when you saw her) anyway she was always banging on my friends door screaming at her to keep her children quiet, grrr i mean how the hell was she supposed to do that
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Old 01.05.2009, 14:27
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Re: "Bad" neighbours

I was in a situation once where a guy as old as me (late 40's ) was complaining about a child nearby in such a way that it was obvious he had no children himself. I asked him whether he had any children and he answered "No!". I explained that in that case he had better show a little more tolerance as the child who was crying would likely end up financing his retirement....
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snoopy i am sorry that you was in that situation i can`t understand why single people, or couples who don`t want noise from childrewn move into places where they know there are children
Thanks Sutter, but in this case we moved into a great building not realising the make-up of the people living there. It is certainly something that people with children should be aware of and avoid like the plague!!

Single people don't mind noise (music, drums, bass, etc)...they just don't like children noise....
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Old 01.05.2009, 14:30
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I was in a situation once where a guy as old as me (late 40's ) was complaining about a child nearby in such a way that it was obvious he had no children himself. I asked him whether he had any children and he answered "No!". I explained that in that case he had better show a little more tolerance as the child who was crying would likely end up financing his retirement....
LOL bloody good post that thanks, and so true
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Thanks Sutter, but in this case we moved into a great building not realising the make-up of the people living there. It is certainly something that people with children should be aware of and avoid like the plague!!

Snoopy, I totally Agree with YOu! We ended up in a building with only us out of 13 apartments with kids!
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Old 01.05.2009, 16:14
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When it comes to children, the tolerance level is zero in Switzerland in my experience :-( Dog are treated better than kids in Switzerland.
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Re: "Bad" neighbours

Basically, yes you should complain. That's what people do in Switzerland. So if you don't, you will always be on the losing end unfortunately. Because at the end of the day, we all make mistake sooner or later and you can me absolutely sure that when you do, someone will complain. Don't fall in the trap of thinking that having an amicable relationship with your neighbours will refrain them from complaining. When you fault, they complain.

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I do not compain about the load bangings and music that the neighbours make during the day. I do not complain about the neighbours who bring in women after partying during the night and start running and screaming on the staircases at wee hours during the day!

I do not complain when I find glue on the 'peeping hole' on my front door! I do not complain when the balcony is full of someone else hair! I do not complain, when after 10pm my neighbour watches tv at a superb volume.

I do not complain when in the middle of the night, the neighbour decides to use the washroom!

I could go like that, and now I have a complaint letter! Do you think I should start complaining too? And write letters upon letters?
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Old 01.05.2009, 16:22
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Re: "Bad" neighbours

By the way, does anybody have the list where by it's written that a child has the right to make noise etc.... I heard its under the mieteschutz. But having a limited German understanding it's hard to get through the site!
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Re: "Bad" neighbours

http://www.beobachter.ch/wohnen/nach...inder-zu-laut/

The above is an article in a Swiss consumer magazine that may help.

There is no law as such afaik that specifically mentions children. There are laws and rules for apartments (Hausordnung) that say what is allowed and what isn't. Noise by children would have to be accepted within the times that noise is allowed unless it is considered to be excessive...and that is a question of judgement.
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Re: "Bad" neighbours

Thanks for the article Snoopy.

A friend of mine, used a document within the mieteschutz that says that children are allowed to make noises.

Now my questions are: What am I supposed to do, when during the 12-2pm quiet time, my dear 2 y.o son decides to test my authority? I tape his mouth, tie him down? Just so that my neighbours can rest? I am not entitled to 'teach' him good manners and appropriate behaviors so that he can conform to society?

I really wish to know how you can control a kid going through the 'Terrible Two's' phase without antagonising the neighbours!
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There is no serious problem with neighours only somtimes we need new ideas: http://www.howtoguides365.com/how-to...t-pickpockets/
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Old 01.05.2009, 18:31
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Re: "Bad" neighbours

Just for info:

went through the site that Snoopy provided and found this specific page on children noises + ball playing. Quite interesting: http://www.beobachter.ch/wohnen/nach...-mit-der-ruhe/
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Re: "Bad" neighbours

Here is a PDF copy of an article (part of) that appeared in this month's Home Owner Association newspaper. It addresses noise. The part that will be of interest to you is the one called Nachbarschaftslärm. Basically, it is all a question of what can be considered excessive. Generally, when it comes to noise people would be more concerned about loud music, machines and let's say if you always had domestic disputes at 12 on the dot and finished when your partner went back to work at 1!!

The thing that is particularly interesting is that it states categorically that an individual's heightened sensitivity to noise is not relevant. I.e. just because one person thinks it is noisy is irrelevant if the noise would generally be considered to be within reason.
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Thanks for the article Snoopy.

A friend of mine, used a document within the mieteschutz that says that children are allowed to make noises.

Now my questions are: What am I supposed to do, when during the 12-2pm quiet time, my dear 2 y.o son decides to test my authority? I tape his mouth, tie him down? Just so that my neighbours can rest? I am not entitled to 'teach' him good manners and appropriate behaviors so that he can conform to society?

I really wish to know how you can control a kid going through the 'Terrible Two's' phase without antagonising the neighbours!
There was also complaints here about the kids being outside playing at these times we just let the kids still play outside i mean bloody hell we where all kids once and fresh air is good for you. Next time if anyone says anything ask them when they where kids and wanted to play outside did there mummy say no and kept them inside for 2 hours
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