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Old 21.12.2012, 18:07
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Dental Work, Flu and Concussion

I've had a terrible few months and just wanted to complain.

After a terrible case of the flu with a high fever, my lymph nodes are randomly and painfully swollen. Today I had the third part of my root canal procedure (after landing on my two front teeth after an accident), teeth still in pain-- apparently because of a fracture that may not have healed properly. Barely able to open my mouth because of the swollen lymph nodes, and in so much pain that I ended up crying in the dentists chair. The dental assistant was actually wiping my tears. To top it off, all my teeth were incredibly sensitive (maybe because of the lymph nodes) that every time the dental dam was removed, my teeth were screaming in pain.

What a fun day. Seems the damage to the nerves from the break may be the cause of the dental pain after all this. Anyone else ever had this kind of experience in the dentist chair before?

Do they use gas here? Because I think I'm going to need it for the next appointment... that or just another random drug to knock me out.
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Old 21.12.2012, 18:17
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I've had a terrible few months and just wanted to complain.

After a terrible case of the flu with a high fever, my lymph nodes are randomly and painfully swollen. Today I had the third part of my root canal procedure (after landing on my two front teeth after an accident), teeth still in pain-- apparently because of a fracture that may not have healed properly. Barely able to open my mouth because of the swollen lymph nodes, and in so much pain that I ended up crying in the dentists chair. The dental assistant was actually wiping my tears. To top it off, all my teeth were incredibly sensitive (maybe because of the lymph nodes) that every time the dental dam was removed, my teeth were screaming in pain.

What a fun day. Seems the damage to the nerves from the break may be the cause of the dental pain after all this. Anyone else ever had this kind of experience in the dentist chair before?

Do they use gas here? Because I think I'm going to need it for the next appointment... that or just another random drug to knock me out.
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Old 21.12.2012, 18:36
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Re: Dental Work, Flu and Concussion

Oh. That sounds terrible. Poor you.

As for the norms of dental practices, I can't help you there. I had lots of work done when I was a young but nothing since. I'm sure it can't be fun.

At least it's winter and the weather is lousy so staying home wrapped in a blanket is actually the best option anyway.

I hope you feel better soon!
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Old 21.12.2012, 20:55
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You're going to annoy some people here posting in complaints corner something that can only attract sympathy, and can't be turned around to be due to your own stupidity...
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Old 21.12.2012, 21:16
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I've had root canal and three nasty tooth removals, and when I get a head cold, my teeth ache...except there are no teeth there now...

I think it's 'phantom' pain - somewhere in my face, the nerves get irritated when I'm sick, and that causes the pain...

Also, did the dentist mention 'dry socket' ? Having a dry socket means the bone is exposed, and bone pain is absolutely excruciatingly painful (I can say it's categorically more painful than childbirth)...

I think I'd definitely get some extra pain relief (a few capsules of whatever painkiller the dentist recommends prior to the procedure)...might be suitable...worth asking the dentist.

I can tell you that I was using some very weird pain relief strategies when the dentist had to deal with the 'dry socket' after the tooth removal, and actually focused on completely 'zoning out' and tried to fall asleep...it's funny that disassociating and trying to convince my brain to 'fall asleep' was the response that my body wanted, but it also happened when there were some complications during my second child's birth...so I was a familiar response to extreme pain...

hopefully your future experiences are much less painful...
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Re: Dental Work, Flu and Concussion

I had four root canals. Two of them were connected more or less to the same nerve and I had a big infection in the nerve which gave me bad headache, pain in my ear and in the jaw. I had to deal with that for a few months, before the root canals, during and after. When I am tired and sick, especially if I have something going on in my sinus, the pain comes back. Not in the teeth since I don't have nerves in them anymore but in the nerve coming out of the teeth up to the sinus.

I just deal with it. When it is too much, I take pain killers. It should pass with time as my infection is still relatively fresh (2-3 months) I guess it takes a long time to the nerve to stop being oversensitive.

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My dentist gave me valium. Really just to relax me, but it did sort of knock me out.
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Actually, I had a cat named Theano, but I had to give her away when I became allergic to her after 4 years.

I think it's time to give in and take some pain killers, I feel terrible.. and now I think I miss my cat.
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After a terrible case of the flu with a high fever, my lymph nodes are randomly and painfully swollen. Today I had the third part of my root canal procedure (after landing on my two front teeth after an accident), teeth still in pain-- apparently because of a fracture that may not have healed properly. Barely able to open my mouth because of the swollen lymph nodes, and in so much pain that I ended up crying in the dentists chair. The dental assistant was actually wiping my tears. To top it off, all my teeth were incredibly sensitive (maybe because of the lymph nodes) that every time the dental dam was removed, my teeth were screaming in pain.

What a fun day. Seems the damage to the nerves from the break may be the cause of the dental pain after all this. Anyone else ever had this kind of experience in the dentist chair before?

Do they use gas here? Because I think I'm going to need it for the next appointment... that or just another random drug to knock me out.
Sorry about your predicament.

No, the swollen lymph nodes definitely can't cause pain in the teeth. The sweeling of the nodes is caused by an infection in the area that is drained by the lymph vessels that run through thoses nodes, and the nodes's main function is to make sure that infectious stuff doesn't flood the entire organism. They have no backward influence on the teeth.

The fact that the nodes still are swollen means that there still is an infection in that area. If the sweeling were caused by an infection around the root tips of the teeth in question, it should at the very least have substantially decreased after three root canal treatment sessions. I'd ask the dentist if it wouldn't be better to see a specialist, e.g. at the Center for Dental and Oral Medicine at the University of Zurich.

Phantom pain, as mentioned by swisspea, may be a serious issue after an accident, but that, too, should be assessed by a specialist. Is you dentist aware of the degree of pain you are in?

"Gas" (nitrous oxide) is rarely used in Switzerland. The reason is a legal one. I don't know about Canada, but for instance in the USA all dentists using nitrous oxide sedation have their patients sign an indemnity waiver to make sure the patients won't sue their butt off in case of complications (e.g. vitamine B12 deficiency, in rare cases even damage to the spinal cord or brain). In Switzerland it is not possible for the doctor to evade responsibility. The doctor always is fully responsible for what he / she does. One lawsuit can ruin a practice. Only very few of us are prepared to take that risk. Again, also in this field, said Center at the University may be the first address.
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Sorry about your predicament.

No, the swollen lymph nodes definitely can't cause pain in the teeth. The sweeling of the nodes is caused by an infection in the area that is drained by the lymph vessels that run through thoses nodes, and the nodes's main function is to make sure that infectious stuff doesn't flood the entire organism. They have no backward influence on the teeth.

The fact that the nodes still are swollen means that there still is an infection in that area. If the sweeling were caused by an infection around the root tips of the teeth in question, it should at the very least have substantially decreased after three root canal treatment sessions. I'd ask the dentist if it wouldn't be better to see a specialist, e.g. at the Center for Dental and Oral Medicine at the University of Zurich.

Phantom pain, as mentioned by swisspea, may be a serious issue after an accident, but that, too, should be assessed by a specialist. Is you dentist aware of the degree of pain you are in?

"Gas" (nitrous oxide) is rarely used in Switzerland. The reason is a legal one. I don't know about Canada, but for instance in the USA all dentists using nitrous oxide sedation have their patients sign an indemnity waiver to make sure the patients won't sue their butt off in case of complications (e.g. vitamine B12 deficiency, in rare cases even damage to the spinal cord or brain). In Switzerland it is not possible for the doctor to evade responsibility. The doctor always is fully responsible for what he / she does. One lawsuit can ruin a practice. Only very few of us are prepared to take that risk. Again, also in this field, said Center at the University may be the first address.
Thanks for the information.. I think the dentist said something about letting things "settle" and "calm down" but it's been a while. I think I will ask at the next appointment to be sure because this is seriously getting frustrating. I would love to bite into an apple at some point in the near future. (without pain)

I'm guessing the swollen lymph nodes just made everything really unpleasant since my neck is all swollen and holding my mouth open was pretty painful. But the pain on teeth that were not treated, could they not just be sensitive? I'm noticing everything still hurts a bit from my bout with the flu. I guess this is a wait and see approach, and thankfully, I have a little time to rest now.

I have this personified image of my immune system with a "gone fishing" sign. I think it's just given up.
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The flu can cause pain especially in the upper teeth. If it affected the maxillary sinuses, the pain can persist for quite a while even after the flu abated.

On the other hand, the impact caused by your accident can have affected the nerves of teeth other than the ones directly involved, which can cause persistent pain for weeks or even months. Yes I know, that can be frustrating, but imagine having upper and lower teeth wired together for several months after a jaw fracture; then not being able to bite into an apple fades in comparison.

The fact your lymph nodes are swollen shows that your immune system is still eagerly doing its job. No fishing. If those nodes weren't there to annoy you by being swollen, the infection might have reached your heart and lungs. Again: cumbersome but could be much worse.

I hope you'll be better soon.
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Sorry to hear about the flu and teeth. What was the concussion bit?
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Sorry to hear about the flu and teeth. What was the concussion bit?
Oh, that happened at the same time as the broken teeth requiring the root canal.

Today, I was at the hospital because I broke a couple of ribs from coughing too forcefully. I have an array of opiates at home now.
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Re: Dental Work, Flu and Concussion

If you have a bad cold or are recovering from the flu you should stay away from root canal work - especially in your upper dentures.

If the OP still had an infection s/he should have delayed treatment. It is a no-brainer, and I am surprised that the dentist did not ask before starting the procedure. (Certainly did in my wife's case, i.e. check that she wasn't suffering from illness.)

Better luck next time.

Oh. And painful gums/sensitive teath is a common symptom of flu.
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If you have a bad cold or are recovering from the flu you should stay away from root canal work - especially in your upper dentures.

If the OP still had an infection s/he should have delayed treatment. It is a no-brainer, and I am surprised that the dentist did not ask before starting the procedure. (Certainly did in my wife's case, i.e. check that she wasn't suffering from illness.)
Now that's sort of new to me. I've done several thousand root canal treatments in the course of almost 40 years, and, of course, I know there are certain infectious conditions where root canals should be left alone unless their immediate treatment is an absolute necessity, but those situations are pretty rare, way below 1%.
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Oh, that happened at the same time as the broken teeth requiring the root canal.

Today, I was at the hospital because I broke a couple of ribs from coughing too forcefully. I have an array of opiates at home now.
Oh, you're having a run of bad luck.... hope the opiates make sleep possible
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Oh, you're having a run of bad luck.... hope the opiates make sleep possible
I have more drugs than I know what to do with, but i have to admit, the pain isn't going completely away.
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Now that's sort of new to me. I've done several thousand root canal treatments in the course of almost 40 years, and, of course, I know there are certain infectious conditions where root canals should be left alone unless their immediate treatment is an absolute necessity, but those situations are pretty rare, way below 1%.
my mistake, I was thinking of wisdom teeth extractions.

Nonetheless, if having a bout to flu or recovering, I would not go near a dentist. Gums can be very painful during this and having serious dental work would to help.

Anyway hope the OP managed to enjoy Christmas, and speaking of which, Merry Christmas one and all!
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