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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

I knew about the heating problem but never thought the agent won’t fix it. And back then I knew nothing about the mold problem that caused by the heating problem.

As soon as I moved into the unit. I noticed mold starting to grow. I took photos and asked my close friends (back home) what to do. I mentioned the problem as early as in September 2010 to the assistant of the lawyer/agent, the German woman’s eyes immediately grew round and she was ready to jump at me choking my throat. Given the way they treated me on the heater and the power failure issues, I knew I won’t get any help from them at all and they would blame me for the mold. I thought I’d better deal with it myself.

My flat was at the rare end of the building. My downstairs was a storage room. The door of the room had 10 round holes. There was also the laundry room under my kitchen and which was not heated. The floor of the unit was not make for outdoor temperature. The walls were not well insulated at all.

I had 9 to 10 months in a year the indoor temperature was below 18C, 5 months below 15C and 3 months between 10.5C to 12C.

With no heating or inadequate heating, and the poor insulation, the walls were so wet. The condensation became running water flew down to the floor. The walls were soaking wet.

Considering how difficult to rent a place and how troublesome to live in Bern, I decided to be self-reliant and resourceful. I bought tons of fabric in order to make some wall and floor covering. I open windows immediately after shower, I wipe every surface in the bath and flip my matrass over to vent every so often. And even so mold still grew on every inside/outer wall.

From September 2010 to early December 2011, I devoted huge time and energy to fight cold and mold, in addition to deal with the utterly negligent agency.

I did learn a lot about the mold problem from EF and other sources in September this year. I also learn the main reasons of the seriously mold problem.

There was a built-in closet situated at the back corner of my one room flat. The back of the closet was the wall and the water came in from the top and from the wall. There was a rooftop garden back 6 years ago and there was a seriously water leaking problem then. The water ruined the flat immediately under it. So the landlord had it totally renovated. But the only thing they did to my flat was to remove the wallpaper on the back wall in the closet. I never suspected the black was not dirt but mold! I smelled damp but thought it was due to the reason that there was no heating in the unit for sometime and did not suspect there was the mold killer in my closet. The spores came out from the closet and landed everywhere. My health was seriously affected.

I have learned from EF it was the building structural problem, therefore it was the landlord’s responsibility.

I only learnt about mole this past September. And I was very upset and enraged.

I never thought the Swiss would be so greedy to the degree that they put human lives in jeopardy. The truth is they do. They have done everything unthinkable to me. I have got the worst inhuman treatment from the Swiss.
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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

Thank you. I will tell you all.

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Hello Dora

I'm sorry to hear that you have had such a bad experience with your flat. Having no heat in an apartment in Swiss winter is terrible and absolutely inexcusable.

However, I don't quite unterstand your accusations as far as political persecution.

I have been working in the Swiss legal system for years and am in the courtroom when the judges deliberate the verdict. I work with judges from all major parties. Not once have I experienced an instance, when the judges have let a person off because of their political or professional background.

It may be that you have been treated unfairly and your case has not been handled well by the Schlichtungsbehörde. But to know that, I'd need much more information about your case. What exactly happened at the Schlichtungsbehörde? What did you ask for, and what was the verdict? Did you then go on to court? Did you have legal representation or a German-speaking friend accompanying you?

I hope you have the strength to stay positive in this difficult situation!
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Sorry to seem a little pedantic about this but that is a very sweeping generalisation. I think it is grossly unfair to tar the Swiss with the same brush.

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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

no heat and mold... this apartment really doesn't sound fit to live in.

My advice would be to try and find a new place to live in as soon as possible, however difficult the rental market may be.

Living there can't be good for your health!

Do you have friends you could stay with for a while?
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They are lawyers, judges and politicians of SVP and in high position in the government.


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All these black-sheep adverts. Millions and millions spent in fear mongering campaigns. The ever-grinning Mörgeli everywhere. Zottel. For what? Why are all these SVP people investing so much to play a minor role in Swiss politics? I was asking myself these questions for the greater part of the last 20 years, but it never really made any sense to me. Now, slowly, I start to see the bigger picture! They were planning to politically prosecute you by disabling your heating. What a brilliant, brilliant plot!!! Is the MLB involved as well?

So you are living for 2 years in an apartment without heating in Switzerland and have neither moved out nor rejected to pay the rent after it became clear that this will not be fixed soon and now come to EF to complain about the world wide SVP conspiracy that lead to this situation. I take my invisible hat off to you dear Sir/Madam you brought madness to a new level on this forum.
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Rented cheap flat in poor condition with broken heating paying small amount of rent expecting landlord to fix everything. This did not happen and took the matter further through renters association and did not get the outcome he wanted and believes it is a conspiracy against him.
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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

So I had put up a great deal in order to get on with my work and life. All the troubles the agency created for me intensified in December 2011, just over a year ago.

First of all, I received a bill for about 177 chf. That was for a replacement of a broken showerhead. The showerhead was less than one year old and covered by the company warranty. But the agent kept pushing me to pay for it. He even issued an eviction warning on the bill he sent me 3 days before the New Year: ‘pay up in 5 days or you are out.’ Unbelievable.

I took the time to do my research and wrote to him giving him every reason why I should not pay for it. He did not answer my letter but insisted I must pay.

Then the big electricity bill came in mid December 2011. It was over 1400 chf. I was dumfounded. I can still feel how I was thrown off balance when I opened the envelope.

I thank for all my Swiss friends and kind strangers who had helped me at the time I most needed to understand the electricity bills, the meter readings, etc.

At the end of December last year, the lawyer/agent also sent me a bill of 41 chf for no reason. He must have expected that I would pay for whatever he threw at me.

I started to investigate all these issues and discovered some of the ways how the lawyer/agent milked his tenants and/or possibly the landlords too.
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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

All too often, when we ourselves make mistakes, either through bad judgement or inexperience, we understandably try to apportion blame. We blame everyone except ourselves. The whole world has wronged us.
In this case, Dorafair, if someone such as kswiss has offered to help, I think you would be much better served by taking advantage of that offer, rather than by throwing aspersions at all and sundry and trying to make us see you as the wounded party to whom no blame whatsoever attaches.
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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

The journey of discovery has been hilarious and now I know it has been dangerous for me too.

Initially I thought the huge electricity bills due to the fact that I was given a portable heater to use. I was told by the previously tenant that I won’t pay for using the electricity separately. And there was no mentioning in the contract that I was responsible to pay the electricity. I thought according to the contract, my rent and NK covers the heating and hot water. It should be the landlord’s responsibility to pay for the electricity usage of the portable heater. I thought if the wall heater worked the usage of it would go to some other meters and the agency would pay for it by using my NK payments. But to my surprise it was not the case.

I paid a visit to ewb (energie wasser bern) in January this year and I was told by the representatives that I pay for the wall heater as well as the boiler in my unit. In fact I was paying twice: pay the NK to the agent in the name of using heating and hot water and pay the ewb for the actual use of the electricity to generate the heating and the hot water.

I raised the contract issue when I took the landlords (represented by the agency) to Schlichtungsbehöde, the lawyer/agent responded that he made a mistake and the amount of NK I pay was not enough to pay the heating and hot water. He asked the court to disregard the contract.

About the showerhead, since he kept pushing me to pay despite all the reasoning I presented to him, I paid a visit to the company and confirmed that it was under the company warranty. Only in court the demand was dropped

About the 41 chf no name bill, he tried to come up with some reasons but none of them stood. It was dropped in court at last.
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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

1. The rent i pay is the market rate. And i was not told there would be no heating at all. If the agency told me that and told me too there was serious existing mold problems i would not get into it, would I.

I know in some people's eyes it is wrong to insist on my rights and insist on things be done correctly.

The agency did not even give me any cooking facilities.

My upstairs' neighbour only pays 10 chf more and he has a fully fitted kitchen, a totally renovated unit: kitchen, bathroom and everything. And his place was about 10% bigger than mine.

There is law here requires that the indoor minimum temperature is above 18C, and in day time should be 20C. Is it wrong to ask the landlord respect the law and human lives?

I found out through someone who witnessed the mold problem when the girl before me lived there. I was told her mattress was totally wet. When they took the over of it, they saw the foam was soaked completely with black mold. The mold smelled hell. I believe it is wrong for the landlords and agents to conceal the leaking and mold problem from the renters. And you believe we the victims to blame for everything we've endured.

I did not ask the landlord fixing everything. I believed I had right to ask what I should have by law. And only found out that I had no rights at all in Switzerland. I was not a human being.

It is too easy to put blame on the weak one and who has been victimized by the people in power and position.

I told my story to some perfect strangers and they were very upset and they told me they were disguised by what the lawyer/agent put me through. I now know I cannot take the kind sympathy for granted.

Have you been the cold land for too long and jaded? My pity on you.

a2128]Rented cheap flat in poor condition with broken heating paying small amount of rent expecting landlord to fix everything. This did not happen and took the matter further through renters association and did not get the outcome he wanted and believes it is a conspiracy against him.[/QUOTE]
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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

'I told my story to some perfect strangers and they were very upset and they told me they were disgusted by what the lawyer/agent put me through. I now know I cannot take the kind sympathy for granted.'

Sorry for the typo: should be 'disgusted'.
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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

Dora-Fair, you have told us your sad story about your nasty landlord and his agent.

What are you going to do now? We probably cannot right the wrongs you have suffered, but tell us your future plans, and we can advise you how not to get another pile of problems.

As a summary: please correct me if I am wrong!
You have lived in a cold wet appartment for two years.
You have been to arbitration.
The heating doesn't work.
(I think you have bought some legal insurance - not sure)
(You might have joined the Mieterverband, I am not sure)
You are in the same situation as you were in 2 years ago.
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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

Thank you and thanks to all my well wishes.

I ask the same question to myself as you me.

There have been a lot happened from the events I mentioned in my last post. Please be patient with me and let me tell the whole story.

[QUOTE=Sbrinz;1752182]Dora-Fair, you have told us your sad story about your nasty landlord and his agent.

What are you going to do now? We probably cannot right the wrongs you have suffered, but tell us your future plans, and we can advise you how not to get another pile of problems.

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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

I am sad that you have had to go through all this - it sounds like a long, frustrating, uncomfortable time. While I cannot see any evidence in your posts of political persecution, it does seem you have fallen victim to a very unscrupulous landlord. It is true that you perhaps should have taken the mold comments by the previous tenant a little more seriously. Niave? a bit. but if you are anything like me you may cling to an (niave) assumption that things are done properly, with integrity, and are well-regulated in this country. To my experience so far, this has been true, but your story shows that the sharks are still out there.

It sounds like you have fought long and hard for two years now. Nothing has happened and your health has been compromised. It seriously sounds like there is nothing left for you to do but cut your losses and get out of there asap. Unfortunately, your landlord knows the game much better than you. If he felt your petitions (past and future) to be a threat to him and his business he would have fixed the apartment's problems by now.
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If you want to leave the appartment before 1st April 2013, you might need to write your resignation letter and post it registered post "Eingeschrieben" on or before Thursday 27th December, so you don't have much time left to write the letter! The letter must be received by the agent and/or landlord on a working day this year!

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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

Your story is quite compelling. I'm waiting to find out how the SVP figure into it.

I applaud you for fighting for your rights, however, I think 2 years with no results is a bit too much. Clearly after 6 months and no movement by the agency or landlord to fix anything would have been enough for me to start looking for another place.

I assumed this apartment was somehow really cheap, but you say it's at market rate. Is there any reason you haven't started looking for a new apartment? Have you started looking? Have you sent them your resignation letter yet? As Sbrinz says, you don't have much time. Get it in the mail tomorrow!

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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

[QUOTE=M_McPoyle;1752210]It is true that you perhaps should have taken the mold comments by the previous tenant a little more seriously.

Thank you so much for offering me your understanding.

There is just one point that I feel I need to make it more clear: the previous tenant never told me about the mold problem. She deliberately hiding it. When I paid my visit to this place. I noticed that she had no bed. The place was in a great mess. I know how student dorms like but never saw that kind of mess in any places all round the world where I'd been. At that time I was not like who I am now. When I saw something that made me uncomfortable, embarrassed, and incomprehensible i automatically took a detached position. I ignored the mess and thought it was her problem not mine.

But the missing of a bed was in my mind so when I met her on the street, I asked. She hesitated for a while and then told me 'It smelled so bad and I threw it out.' i felt strange how could a young girl's bed was so smelly? But i could not ask further. It never occur to me the smell was mold.

I only knew about her moldy bed from an insider in October this year, when I was investigating the leaking and mold problem in the building. I thought I could stop the agent to make more people suffer what they did to me and to all other victims before me.

People can say that I am stupid, that I should not take upon myself to fight this crime against humanity. I knew I could not fight it on my own. But I thought Switzerland was a country ruled by law and there were perfect systems to deal with every problem that need to be addressed and corrected. Now after visited one after another offices, apparatus, branches, etc. I know they are there to safe guard their own interest and ready to crash whoever dare to challenge them and their interest.

Did I make mistakes? Indeed I did. Yet mistakes are different from mistakes. When I was misinformed and unprepared, of course, I took actions based upon misleading information.

I read some people's blogs criticizing Switzerland. I found they were so similar to each other. And there was not any deep personal insight in them.

I don't know if I am very unlucky or very lucky. I have gained much deeper insight and understanding from all these experiences -- good and bad. in Switzerland.

Thank you again.
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Is anybody else thinking this is all a bit fishy? Of course I could just be being completely cynical, but the drip feeding of info is all a bit dodgy.
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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

Dora-Fair, you have to move on and leave this behind you. You cannot win this fight, and nobody has asked you to be the white knight, fighting for the down trodden people.

You now know that the landlord is not going to repair the heating, so what are your plans for your future?

I advise you to write the resignation letter and quit this place at the next opportunity. Read your contract carefully, and make sure you send the letter in good time. You must pay the bills, and argue afterwards the merits, otherwise you will get a Betreibung with your notice to leave.

When you have successfully resigned, please come back and tell us exactly where you live, so perhaps other people can be warned off repeating your mistakes.

Just an aside: the building is probably under the protection of the historical society. These people might insist the building remains as it was maybe 100 years ago. Perhaps the owner is having problems finding parts for the very old heating system. No excuse for the way you have been treated, but just advice to avoid old buildings!
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