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Is anybody else thinking this is all a bit fishy? Of course I could just be being completely cynical, but the drip feeding of info is all a bit dodgy.
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It is a game and the Chairperson of Schlichtungsbehörde is the fixer of the game. He or she calls the shot and they fix the outcome before the session stars.
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Just an aside: the building is probably under the protection of the historical society. These people might insist the building remains as it was maybe 100 years ago. Perhaps the owner is having problems finding parts for the very old heating system. No excuse for the way you have been treated, but just advice to avoid old buildings!
I thought the same thing. Apparently there is another apartment in the same building that has been renovated so that's confusing. Either way, the landlord clearly is not going to fix the heat probably because it needs special permission to dig into the walls or something.


Dora, It's time to move on and at a time when you don't need to find a replacement tenant! Also, please finish the story! We want to know what SVP did and who this turns into a political drama.
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And like the previous tenant, you'll also have to throw away some of the soft furniture to get rid of the mold spores.
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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

Who thinks up these thread titles???

Will we find out that the rent mediators were made up of people called Blocher, Mörgeli and Brunner?

Was the OP's picture put on a poster on a black sheep and paraded through the city of Bern?

A bad landlord is now guilty of "crimes against humanity"????

I have just watched Morecambe and Wise on TV but this has a much higher entertainment value.

If the OP went to the mediators and was talking of crimes against humanity does it surprise anyone that she lost all credibility???
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And like the previous tenant, you'll also have to throw away some of the soft furniture to get rid of the mold spores.

Exactly. I with some costs involved had taken the easy chairs and the sofa of my parents with me, but a few months ago had to get rid of the stuff as it started to smell more than ever The stuff still was nice and comfortable, but became simply unacceptable.
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Who thinks up these thread titles???

Will we find out that the rent mediators were made up of people called Blocher, Mörgeli and Brunner?

Was the OP's picture put on a poster on a black sheep and paraded through the city of Bern?

A bad landlord is now guilty of "crimes against humanity"????

I have just watched Morecambe and Wise on TV but this has a much higher entertainment value.

If the OP went to the mediators and was talking of crimes against humanity does it surprise anyone that she lost all credibility???
Oh come on Snoop Dawg, just enjoy the OP for what it is... another piece of amusing lunacy in an otherwise relatively dull Complaints section.
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Oh come on Snoop Dawg, just enjoy the OP for what it is... another piece of amusing lunacy in an otherwise relatively dull Complaints section.

Richdog you are of course absolutely correct.
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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

Genocides are crimes against humanity. No heating for 2 years is simply:

Foul me once, shame on You. Foul me twice, shame on me. Foul me for two years.... ????
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Genocides are crimes against humanity. No heating for 2 years is simply:

Foul me once, shame on You. Foul me twice, shame on me. Foul me for two years.... ????
If someone fouls on you once, it's experimental. Twice, more than a passing interest. For 2 years, it's a distinct fetish.
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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

The situation was quite complicated.

1. That location had its merits. It was in the old town and convenient for me to go to all the places I must go.

2. For most of the time it was quirt.

3. I made some friends in the neighbourhood.

4. The wall heater (diagnosed as Defekt) came back to work at some point in spring 2011, without anyone repairing it. The place was so cold due to the lack of insulation. Even with the wall heater and the portable heater both working, the temperature in December, January, February and part of March was below 12C.

After knowing some people's living conditions in the old town and the difficulty to find a place that was Ok for me, I decided I would do anything I could to make the place livable. I bought tons of materials to make floor and wall covers.

5. I was mislead by the contract and the information that I would not pay for the electricity usage of the heating. I had no knowledge the low temperature, high humidity was the cause of the serious mold problem.

6. Until September this year, I did not know anything about the constant leakage from the rooftop patio and the chimney into the back wall in the closet. I was too busy to take things out and check it. When I did I found my shoes and clothes were ruined by mold. I had to throw away a lot of things I paid big money to acquire and to ship to me.

I believe the landlords and the agents should have the unit renovated at the time the leaking occurred (6 year ago). They knew that mould would cause health problems and should not rent it out.

it is a crime to put renters lives into harm's way.


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Your story is quite compelling. I'm waiting to find out how the SVP figure into it.

I applaud you for fighting for your rights, however, I think 2 years with no results is a bit too much. Clearly after 6 months and no movement by the agency or landlord to fix anything would have been enough for me to start looking for another place.

I assumed this apartment was somehow really cheap, but you say it's at market rate. Is there any reason you haven't started looking for a new apartment? Have you started looking? Have you sent them your resignation letter yet? As Sbrinz says, you don't have much time. Get it in the mail tomorrow!

This would have been my ticket out of that mess!
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At this juncture, the Bourne Trilogy for the gazillionth time is starting to look mighty appealing...
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The situation was quite complicated.

1. That location had its merits. It was in the old town and convenient for me to go to all the places I must go.

2. For most of the time it was quirt.

3. I made some friends in the neighbourhood.

4. The wall heater (diagnosed as Defekt) came back to work at some point in spring 2011, without anyone repairing it. The place was so cold due to the lack of insulation. Even with the wall heater and the portable heater both working, the temperature in December, January, February and part of March was below 12C.

After knowing some people's living conditions in the old town and the difficulty to find a place that was Ok for me, I decided I would do anything I could to make the place livable. I bought tons of materials to make floor and wall covers.

5. I was mislead by the contract and the information that I would not pay for the electricity usage of the heating. I had no knowledge the low temperature, high humidity was the cause of the serious mold problem.

6. Until September this year, I did not know anything about the constant leakage from the rooftop patio and the chimney into the back wall in the closet. I was too busy to take things out and check it. When I did I found my shoes and clothes were ruined by mold. I had to throw away a lot of things I paid big money to acquire and to ship to me.

I believe the landlords and the agents should have the unit renovated at the time the leaking occurred (6 year ago). They knew that mould would cause health problems and should not rent it out.

it is a crime to put renters lives into harm's way.
You might see the problem as complicated, I see the problem is simple, and has been prolonged by your stupidity. Get out of there and stop moaning!
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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

Would you pay anyone to have not only your properties but your health ruined?

I knew it was hard to tell a long and complicated story and misunderstanding would occur. I now know how people like you take it. I don't understand why you take it as your amusement and intertainment?

Well, it is the real world that I learn to know.


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Who thinks up these thread titles???

Will we find out that the rent mediators were made up of people called Blocher, Mörgeli and Brunner?

Was the OP's picture put on a poster on a black sheep and paraded through the city of Bern?

A bad landlord is now guilty of "crimes against humanity"????

I have just watched Morecambe and Wise on TV but this has a much higher entertainment value.

If the OP went to the mediators and was talking of crimes against humanity does it surprise anyone that she lost all credibility???
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Re: Being politically prosecuted by a group of powerful, well connected people

As I have said, based on all the information I had at the time, especially the information provided in the rental contract, also due to the lack of understanding of the relationship between cold and mold, and the health problems caused by mold. I made my plans.

For the year of 2011, most of the time I was not there. I also planned to go to some warm places for the winter months of 2011 and 2012. In December 2011, the day I planned to leave for holidays, the bills came one after another to bombard me.

After finding out more and more truth about my situation, all the people I knew suggested I move out asap. Why didn’t I move out?

1. It took me over a month (from mid December 2011 to late January 2012, I spent time to get information an electricity user must know. I did research to know the laws and rules about product and service warranties as well as small repairs in rented place. I also spent time to consult my friends and colleges as well as the Mietamt.. I composed 3 letters in respond to the bills the lawyer/agent sent me.

Given my language disadvantage and my total lack of knowledge of the very local issues, the above tasks were huge undertakings.

2. From late January up till December this year I was dealing with the Mietamt. I also got sucked into and entangled with all the legal issues and matters with the lawyer/agent and his friends in the justice system.

3. I learnt in summer this year and as well as at a few other occasions from people who knew the girl living there before me. The lawyer/agent made her to pay 200 to 300 chf per month for about 2 years after she moved out. He also put her in the black list. So she could not lease a piano.

When she was there the place was appareling as I said there was a lot of things broken. She was paying and putting up with all those inconveniences. She was only there for 8 or 9 months. I was wondering how much money she could possibly owe to the agent? Though she was in good speaking terms with the lawyer/agent, he made her to pay so much for a place unlivable even after she moved out. Imagine what the lawyer/agent would do to me when I move out. if I stay in the country, he would find me and pin the blame on me to pay for the renovation of the flat. When I move out, I will not have the evidence to show to the court that the continuing leakage and the constant mold problems were pre-existed and they were not my responsibility. If I get a new place, I would probably have difficulties. My experiences told me I could not expect a smooth sailing in Switzerland. I would have not one but two difficulties to deal with. I definitely cannot expect my life free from the troubles and persecutions the lawyer/agent would generate. I felt I had no choice but to fight to the end.

My fate with the city and the country was doomed from the day I signed the lease.
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Just an aside: the building is probably under the protection of the historical society. These people might insist the building remains as it was maybe 100 years ago. Perhaps the owner is having problems finding parts for the very old heating system. No excuse for the way you have been treated, but just advice to avoid old buildings!
FYI: I paid a visit to the Bauinspektorat Bern last month and learned a permit is not required to replace the hearer. There is no mediatory requirement for a permit to renovate the interiors either.

The lawyer/agent never made any application for a permit to replace the heater. he made it up to avoid fixing it.
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Would you pay anyone to have not only your properties but your health ruined?

I knew it was hard to tell a long and complicated story and misunderstanding would occur. I now know how people like you take it. I don't understand why you take it as your amusement and intertainment?

Well, it is the real world that I learn to know.

Because as soon as you realised the state that your apartment was in you should have been looking for somewhere else to live. It doesn't take two years to figure out that your landlord is useless and the apartment you live in is a health hazard. If your health is THAT important to you you should have spent your energy finding alternative accomodation rather than sticking up for "humanity" and taking on the local mafia.

Some people always look for someone else to blame rather than figuring out that they themselves could have saved themselves most of the hassle that they put themselves through. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying the landlord is right, he isn't. But you have to learn which battles to fight and when to move on...for your own good.
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My fate with the city and the country was doomed from the day I signed the lease.
Your fate was sealed the day you even considered renting a place that was so bad at first sight you should have run a mile. What were you thinking? Had you taken leave of your senses. I am sorry, there is only one person to blame for the predicament you are in and that is you! The signs below were as big as a house...a big red flashing light with a siren on it saying "Danger"....and you just ignored them.

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The place was in a great mess. Even so by a brief scan I could spot a lot of tings were broken. The girl told me the heating was not working and it was very cold in the winter. It was so cold that the piano she rented was totally out of tune.
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My fate with the city and the country was doomed from the day I signed the lease.
No, you were doomed by your own fault, I'm affraid. You accepted to rent an appartment which was obviously in bad shape, with a tenant telling you the problems and you still took it. The apartment being an historical site wasn't renovated because of the laziness / lack of interest / lact of money / time / whatever the reason from the landlord.

Obviously, such an old building doesn't have the isolation, electricity and water system in shape nor to respond to our today's need.

But you still did rent it.

And you stayed there for 2 years.

Are you still in there?

Seems to me, the only person to blame is you. Not the landlord (who got a foul to rent his place), not the lawyer, not the judge, not the association and certainly not the SVP (WTF?).
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