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Old 30.08.2006, 13:34
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Re: Are the swiss racist?

Tino, you should have asked the coppers "if I was white, would you be interested in me?". But I don't know whether you'd just get a "no" answer.

I've never been stopped in 11½ years by the cops (can't count in the car).
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Old 30.08.2006, 14:26
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Re: Are the swiss racist?

Sorry to be Züri-centric, but I live near Langstrasse (the hub of multi-culti Zurich) and almost everytime I travel along the road I see the police body searching somebody - always a black somebody - on the pavement. This is done deliberately 'in the open' and must be very humiliating to the person being searched. The same goes for the Züri-Horn area by the lake. Admitedly, these areas are frequented by many drug dealers, who all have their patches, but the unsuspecting onlooker is none the wiser.

Likewise, there've been times I've been on the 32 bus along Langstrasse and the police - always in groups of three upwards - get on board and make 'random' choices of passengers to be taken off and questioned. Invariably these are black men. I often feel like putting my hand up and informing them I'm a foreigner too. This is deliberate racial profiling and in my mind a tad too enthusiastic.

Something which really gets my goat is the naming in the media of the nationality of a criminal or suspected criminal, eg, the drug dealer, 27 years old from Cameroon; or the 'racer' from Serbia-Montenegro... Have I been out of my homeland for so long to find these remarks striking? It's most unsettling when the 'victim' is Swiss. There seems to be some glee in the fact the bad guys are foreigners. Just makes me wonder from where all the White Collar money launderers and criminals come... never Switzerland, surely? From who have we more to fear?

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Old 30.08.2006, 15:14
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Re: Are the swiss racist?

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This is rather annecdotal, but I saw the following (see below) at Limmatplatz last week. The truck belonged to Rolf Bossard, a contractual waste management company here in ZH.
Hmm...
If my mother were alive, she'd tell me to close my mouth before the flies started going in, because I sat here with my mouth gaped open for 30 seconds after seeing that photo!

You should call the company and inform on Mr. Nazi and Proud of it.
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Old 30.08.2006, 21:41
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This is rather annecdotal, but I saw the following (see below) at Limmatplatz last week. The truck belonged to Rolf Bossard, a contractual waste management company here in ZH.
Hmm...
That just really made me really sick. I am sooo embarrassed to be in this country right now. To be even sharing the same space as these dimwits. I'm very disgusted.
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Old 30.08.2006, 21:51
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This is rather annecdotal, but I saw the following (see below) at Limmatplatz last week. The truck belonged to Rolf Bossard, a contractual waste management company here in ZH.
Hmm...
Maybe someone should call Mr. Bossard and tell him there are some interesting photos on the net of his truck and ask him if he would be ashamed if his clients saw them? Or what his clients (probably the government) would think if people phoned them and asked why they are paying someone who displays such signs? I mean individual freedom of expression is one thing - but associating that with a company? Let's hope he doesn't drive up and down Weststrasse...
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That just really made me really sick. I am sooo embarrassed to be in this country right now. To be even sharing the same space as these dimwits. I'm very disgusted.
Well I think we should point out that every country has Nazis, but perhaps there are few countries where such a sign would be shown without shame, especially in a company vehicle.

Maybe we should keep the tradition of snapping photos alive - except most acts of racism are probably never written down or put on a sign.
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Re: Are the swiss racist?

Let's hope he doesn't drive up and down Weststrasse...

Where is Weststrasse?
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Old 31.08.2006, 08:31
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Let's hope he doesn't drive up and down Weststrasse...

Where is Weststrasse?
Were those my words or yours? At first I thought you hadn't read my post and were saying the same thing as I was. Use the quote block please!

Anyway - Weststrasse is a street you have to use for the "transit route" - in other words all traffic that crosses north-south can't go around Zurich due to lack of a ring road. This means an enormous amount of traffic (including a lot of trucks) from the freeway effectively gets squeezed into a single lane through the city - and Weststrasse. The significance to the truck driver with the Nazi plates is because Weststrasse is where most of Zurich's Jewish community live. If you drive around there you'll see a lot of the orthodox Jews in their outfits
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Re: Are the swiss racist?

Interestingly there is a truck drivers shop close to there where they sell all sorts of truckers paraphanialia such as air horns, badges, cb stuff and personalised number plates...

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Anyway - Weststrasse is a street you have to use for the "transit route" - in other words all traffic that crosses north-south can't go around Zurich due to lack of a ring road. This means an enormous amount of traffic (including a lot of trucks) from the freeway effectively gets squeezed into a single lane through the city - and Weststrasse. The significance to the truck driver with the Nazi plates is because Weststrasse is where most of Zurich's Jewish community live. If you drive around there you'll see a lot of the orthodox Jews in their outfits
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Well I think we should point out that every country has Nazis, but perhaps there are few countries where such a sign would be shown without shame, especially in a company vehicle.
It's not so much the presence of Nazis that surprises me. What I find disgusting is that this was on a company's truck in the middle of a city, purporting to be a cosmopolitan city. I mean... what incredibly bad taste! As a fashion statement, it is catastrophic. And the most embarassing part of it is that it is tolerated here.

I find it shameful to admit that I work in a city where someone can put up public displays of Nazi propaganda, and be allowed. Friends back home still kinda think Zuerich is (or may be) cool. But if they ever found out about these kinds of things... the ridicule would be insufferable. I'd have to move!
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Old 31.08.2006, 08:59
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Friends back home still kinda think Zuerich is (or may be) cool. But if they ever found out about these kinds of things... the ridicule would be insufferable. I'd have to move!
Well why don't we turn it around - if forum members call the company and complain that they've seen these photos on the internet it would be sending a message that this kind of thing is not acceptable. We can't vote - but we could at least make ourselves heard on that point.
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Re: Are the swiss racist?

You are assuming that the driver of the truck is not the owner of the company. They often are. Mind you you may be able to make your point in person...
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Well why don't we turn it around - if forum members call the company and complain that they've seen these photos on the internet it would be sending a message that this kind of thing is not acceptable. We can't vote - but we could at least make ourselves heard on that point.
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Old 31.08.2006, 09:03
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You are assuming that the driver of the truck is not the owner of the company. They often are. Mind you you may be able to make your point in person...
I did consider that in the post before last. If it is the owner of the company he might be concerned if his photos were on the internet - let's not forget that it won't be long before googling his company name brings people in here... The other point was if he doesn't care the matter could also be taken up with his boss - the people who hire him.
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Well why don't we turn it around - if forum members call the company and complain that they've seen these photos on the internet it would be sending a message that this kind of thing is not acceptable. We can't vote - but we could at least make ourselves heard on that point.
I agree. I don't really want to take this sitting down. I would also love to draw media attention to it. I think this will continue to occur until someone in Switzerland equates these kinds of behavior with a cost. How much would it cost for Zürich to live down a reputation as a city of hate? They sure are working towards building that reputation now.

Two action items for me:
-Call the company
-Send link of UMax's photo to newspaper editors in NY & LA, and to other media outlets.
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Re: Are the swiss racist?

Just to play the devils advocate, is it possible that "Nazi" is one of those hillbilly Swiss-German shortened names like Werni, Michi, Schatzli etc. I know it's a stretch and I cant think of a name that matches the shortening, but it could be an explanation. Either way, the driver would be dumb or stupid to put up such a plate.

Maybe it's a leftover from one of the rallies in the Oerlikon Velodrome or Letzigrund in the 40's. Shhshh, we shouldn't mention that. Back under the carpet.
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Old 31.08.2006, 10:14
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Re: Are the swiss racist?

Interesting to note peoples reaction to the the Rolf Bossard Nazi truck. I thought about approaching the crew from the Rolf Bossard truck and nicely asking if somehow the Nazi sign had to do with the Swiss national football team... but didn't want to risk sounding idiotic! I've been wondering what on Earth it could mean other than it what it seems to mean.

From what I gather Rolf Bossard (keep using the name, it'll pop-up somewhere eventually) is a pretty large organisation here in ZH. I think they're responsible for collecting recycling material etc.

I'm going to send them an email. I'll let you know the feedback.
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Interesting to note peoples reaction to the the Rolf Bossard Nazi truck. I thought about approaching the crew from the Rolf Bossard truck and nicely asking if somehow the Nazi sign had to do with the Swiss national football team... but didn't want to risk sounding idiotic! I've been wondering what on Earth it could mean other than it what it seems to mean.
I asked some Swiss - they said closest match was "Nati" the national football team. No other matches... I know some people at ERZ (Recycling)...
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Re: Are the swiss racist?

personally, I'd not want my name shortened to Nazi.
Nazi is shortened from Nationalsozialistische
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi

But the undertones are still there, if that's the context. I frankly can't see another reason to have it.

If he'd have backed that up with a Swastika and popped into Germany, he'd have had a small problem....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastik...tern_countries
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My colleague has just come back from viewing a room to rent. On leaving the site, she was told she had to know.... that there were African and Asian people in the building.
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Just to play the devils advocate, is it possible that "Nazi" is one of those hillbilly Swiss-German shortened names like Werni, Michi, Schatzli etc.
If we were in, say, Hong Kong, and saw a truck with this thing on it, we can say "Oh what a strange thing to display, someone has a sick sense of humor". But we're in Switzerland, and in light of the kind of things we hear and see in public, it's not at all far fetch that this person might be a real Nazi sympathizer.

What strikes me is how incredibly crass this is. It's about as macabre as live monkey brain eating, or human skin lampshades. And if this culture is at a point where people can display this without repercussion, then the Swiss are really showing themselves as a depraved and nefarious people.
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