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Long story, my immediate family moved to UK in 50's the rest remained, my father needed to do National Service and I'd have a swiss passport but he didn't, by that's my issue eh.

You're right corporate crime is of bigger concern, I tried to stick to topic for once

To be honest i'm probably not doing the best job of explaining why i have these view, but they are based on solid stats, I have nothing against any particular group of society. I'm not on a mission to annoy others either....
Sorry, that was my bad attempt at trying to be funny. Actually My son spent his first few months stuck in a Sonder E class for foriegners most of whom were refugees from the former Yugoslavia. So we got to know that side of the argument quite well, it was not pleasant. However that I could handle it. Swiss racism, because they have the power of the law behind them- that was scary. I am very emotive about the subject and probably need to be told to back off sometimes. Of course people others are right, there is a lot to be proud of in Switzerland, but scapegoating ordinary foreigners, or refugees, for all the countries problems shouldn't be part of it.
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Sorry, that was my bad attempt at trying to be funny. Actually My son spent his first few months stuck in a Sonder E class for foriegners most of whom were refugees from the former Yugoslavia. So we got to know that side of the argument quite well, it was not pleasant. However that I could handle it. Swiss racism, because they have the power of the law behind them- that was scary. I am very emotive about the subject and probably need to be told to back off sometimes. Of course people others are right, there is a lot to be proud of in Switzerland, but scapegoating ordinary foreigners, or refugees, for all the countries problems shouldn't be part of it.
I have a bigger argument than most for a passport and to be accepted probably more than some Swiss, but then again I wouldn't give these idiots running this campaign my time.

I understand your pain in fighting the system, but never give in. It's truely awful what happened and I hope it's working out.

People should realise most Swiss are very protective of their country/values and not inherantly racist/anti-auslander. For years the swiss have been known for accepting refugees/auslanders.

It's just the TV and media like to have their stories and it's drilled into them by a few with the power to do so. As you've already mentioned these are hardly the group of model citizens, but then again they have their cash to sit on and are bent on protecting what they see as a status quo. Which is poo really.

Again I must say take this policy into context, they are attemping to evict CRIMINALS not ORDINARY auslanders/refugees who try to live a legitimate life.

Why should you have anything to fear if you go about your life and play by Swiss rules. The Swiss love rules as we know, play by them in a crime context and you will always be ok..

However the campaign is definately racist, which is a shame as the policy may have had some value reading between the racist crap.
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I am from the U.S. (Louisiana), and I grew up speaking swiss french in my household, Because my dad learned it from his mother and i learned from him at a very early age. all this amounts to is that when i go to switzerland, and people ask me where i am from, i just tell them fribourg so i dont get treated like shit for being originally from the U.S., and they believe me. When i went last year with my friend who is of latin american origin, i cannot tell you how many times me and my dad had to bitch out snot nosed waiters and service people up on there high horses for blatantly being extremely offensive. Its just embarrassing that there are so many people like that there and that i brought a friend who was subjected to this kind of prejudice. La confédération suisse is my second home, and i cant even bring a friend here. I thank god that my aunts and uncles and cousins are anti-prejudice.
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I am from the U.S. (Louisiana), and I grew up speaking swiss french in my household, Because my dad learned it from his mother and i learned from him at a very early age. all this amounts to is that when i go to switzerland, and people ask me where i am from, i just tell them fribourg so i dont get treated like shit for being originally from the U.S., and they believe me. When i went last year with my friend who is of latin american origin, i cannot tell you how many times me and my dad had to bitch out snot nosed waiters and service people up on there high horses for blatantly being extremely offensive. Its just embarrassing that there are so many people like that there and that i brought a friend who was subjected to this kind of prejudice. La confédération suisse is my second home, and i cant even bring a friend here. I thank god that my aunts and uncles and cousins are anti-prejudice.
I suppose Swiss culture is "colder" than American culture. It is not neccessarily racist but they are generally indifferent toward strangers and foreigners. Also, they are not as sensitive as Americans.

When I talked to a housing agent in Zurich, he asked me "what is your occupation?" Well, this is still ok; however he quickly added "in a kitchen or something?" I'm not saying working in a kitchen is a shame, but isn't it rude to talk like that? Maybe he asked that because I don't speak German and I'm Asian?
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i have no trouble, its just that i was embarrassed to subject my friend to such treatment in a place where my family comes from and is my second home. and it wasnt just small things like do you work in a kitchen. one example is that we stayed in a small inn in appenzell innerrhoden, and during dinner the owner sat down and talked to us, we told him we were from the US and he was surprosed me and my brother were, but that he knew my friend was not from europe. then he asked asked my friend that since he was from one of the "lesser" north american countries (panama) that he must not have been able to afford citizenship and inquired how is family snuck in. i then informed the man that he was born and raised in the US, that his family owned the very succesfull Chiquita banana company, and that he was a pig. when i told my dad what happened, he checked us out the hotel and we went and stayed at a hilton in st. gallen. My dad called the US embassy in bern the next and day and informed them of the mistreatment of a US citizen, and apparently the inn owner is being fined.
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Re: Are the swiss racist?

being blond haired and blue eyed, and speaking fluent french, i never have to put up with anything, but now my best friend thinks my family comes from a country of pigs.

i just cant see how this is possible considering how tourism there is in the confederation and how many people of different ethnicities come and visit
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.....i then informed the man that he was born and raised in the US, that his family owned the very succesfull Chiquita banana company, and that he was a pig. when i told my dad what happened, he checked us out the hotel and we went and stayed at a hilton in st. gallen. My dad called the US embassy in bern the next and day and informed them of the mistreatment of a US citizen, and apparently the inn owner is being fined.
Jeez, why didn't you just have him declared part of the "Axis of evil" and then you could have had his shitty hotel bombed to oblivion?

I'm not defending the guy, he sounds like a real typical jerk, but I can't help but feel that having daddy complain to the US Embassy so that the jerk gets a fine is a little bit like a poor little rich guy beating up a country bumpkin. At the end of the day, it's not going to make this guy any happier about foreigners.

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Re: Are the swiss racist?

I thought you were a bit over the top there too stickboy.

At some point you have to get used to these things. I'm still collecting info in preparation for my move to Schweiz, but to put it in perspective: I lived in Japan for 6 years in the early 90s. At that time, the main Tokyo accommodation-to-let magazine had special symbols by each ad: one for "dogs and pets okay", another for "water-trade okay" (meaning sex workers), and another for "foreigners okay". Most ads had no such comment, and the last was the least common.

Sounds like I won't have a vast problem in Schweiz, especially not in Zurich.
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Re: Are the swiss racist?

sorry, my dad didnt call the embassy, my friends dad did, he works for the embassy of panama in atlanta georgia, so he had no trouble getting in touch with the us embassy in bern, and please, my pa voted for gore and kerry.
all my dad did was get us to a new hotel
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also, i hardly consider myself american, i was raised by second gen parents and i have lived about 3/5 of my in germany/switzerland
im not generalizing switzerland, im saying that there are some dicks out there, as anywhere else
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having daddy complain to the US Embassy so that the jerk gets a fine is a little bit like a poor little rich guy beating up a country bumpkin
i lived in a two bedroom apartment for the first 10 years of my life, my mom and dad are honest, hard working people, they earned every bit of what they have now and i have respect for them
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Re: Are the swiss racist?

Being an expat child, I have lived in many different countries and believe me, you can be faced with discrimination and prejudiced anywhere, it's not like there is a Country X which it does not exist. Someone in the thread said that only Asians or Africans get discriminated because of their skin color, and this is so wrong. You can be "white" but you can get discriminated upon cause fellow citizens who come from your country are less educated and come from a different social class etc. You can be even in a community where you are together with people who have the same ethnicity but since you hold different political views, they are nasty to you.
Best thing is to ignore the comments made by regular people since it does not really change the way you really are. If someone called me a "dirty Ausländer" or something like that or refused to serve me, I would just pay the bill and never tip that person. Little dorky hotel guy or some idiot working as a waiter is not going to get to me with his retarted comments.
I also feel that I don't need to be "accepted" by the local folk cause what is important for me is to do my work at the place I am working, make good dough, pay my bills, pay my taxes, finish my grad school and move on to other things in my life. I can make friends anywhere, so I am not so concerned if the locals are friendly or not.
I have read on some threads that some foreigners had a "physical experience" with the locals. If I am faced with such an incident, of course I am not going to ignore that. I might introduce them to my friend. (My friend=my middle finger). To certain people you need to give them some of their own medicine.
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*i lived in a two bedroom apartment for five people* is what i meant to say
jeez, i really should have fit all this into one message
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i have no trouble, its just that i was embarrassed to subject my friend to such treatment in a place where my family comes from and is my second home. and it wasnt just small things like do you work in a kitchen. one example is that we stayed in a small inn in appenzell innerrhoden, and during dinner the owner sat down and talked to us, we told him we were from the US and he was surprosed me and my brother were, but that he knew my friend was not from europe. then he asked asked my friend that since he was from one of the "lesser" north american countries (panama) that he must not have been able to afford citizenship and inquired how is family snuck in. i then informed the man that he was born and raised in the US, that his family owned the very succesfull Chiquita banana company, and that he was a pig. when i told my dad what happened, he checked us out the hotel and we went and stayed at a hilton in st. gallen. My dad called the US embassy in bern the next and day and informed them of the mistreatment of a US citizen, and apparently the inn owner is being fined.
But then there's always over-reacting..
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Really. I suspect if Confed Swiss or the tourist board did a little survey I suspect this little fact would appear somewhere below those with

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Again I must say take this policy into context, they are attemping to evict CRIMINALS not ORDINARY auslanders/refugees who try to live a legitimate life.
In context it is worth pointing out that the US does this too. Its also worth pointing out that the plan for the SVP is to evict the families of the criminals too, which even the US doesn't do.

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Why should you have anything to fear if you go about your life and play by Swiss rules. The Swiss love rules as we know, play by them in a crime context and you will always be ok..
Hmmm, how best to put this...

Lets say I left the a works apero and was walking home and some Swiss driver doesn't stop at a pedestrian crossing. I shout a word of abuse at his car as it dissipears into the distance and a Police officer fines me for anti-social behaviour. Should I be evicted now? How about if the car stops and the driver and I have an argument which turns from push to shove and we end up in a fist fight, and the police arrive, should I be evicted with my family now? What if I see a mugging in the street and intervene - the victim doesn't want to press charges but the mugger wants to have me done for assault. Should I be evicted now? Its not, necessarily that I'll get kicked out, I am white and well off with a major employer and by the grace of god - English. But if I was Jugoslav or Nigerian, what are my chances?
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i then informed the man that he was born and raised in the US, that his family owned the very succesfull Chiquita banana company, and that he was a pig. when i told my dad what happened, he checked us out the hotel and we went and stayed at a hilton in st. gallen. My dad called the US embassy in bern the next and day and informed them of the mistreatment of a US citizen, and apparently the inn owner is being fined.
Isn't it lovely when Daddy sorts everything out?
He even built you a Hilton Hotel in St.Gallen, I'm sure the people of St. Gall will be grateful, since, as far as I know, they don't actually have a Hilton Hotel yet.

Thing is, I don't quite believe the story, it sounds very out of character and calling the embassy and have an instant result is contrary to usual legal practice. Also, was the insult aimed at someone being a pain or at a US citizen being a pain? Either way, it was not a specifically anti-US comment, so your reaction is totally uncalled for. A bit like "They MAY have weapons of mass destruction, let's bomb the bastards!"...
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Re: Are the swiss racist?

Thanks for that. I know this isn't the security creation thread but that's mainly been my point the entire time. There, IMO, is nothing wrong (hence, no need to change) with the current system of deporting criminals on a case to case basis. All the non-citizen murderers, rapists, etc are getting kicked out after their jail sentence currently. I don't think there is any need for a specific referendum, which doesn't take into account for unique circumstances of lesser crimes.



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Lets say I left the a works apero and was walking home and some Swiss driver doesn't stop at a pedestrian crossing. I shout a word of abuse at his car as it dissipears into the distance and a Police officer fines me for anti-social behaviour. Should I be evicted now? How about if the car stops and the driver and I have an argument which turns from push to shove and we end up in a fist fight, and the police arrive, should I be evicted with my family now? What if I see a mugging in the street and intervene - the victim doesn't want to press charges but the mugger wants to have me done for assault. Should I be evicted now? Its not, necessarily that I'll get kicked out, I am white and well off with a major employer and by the grace of god - English. But if I was Jugoslav or Nigerian, what are my chances?
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Good god, how many times do i have to say that just because I'm a US citizen, it does not mean that I support that mess in Iraq. I have no say in what goes on in the US government. Christ, I'm not even old enough to vote yet. If anything I have more of a reason to hate him then any of you aside from the people from the middle east considering his inability to lead and handle damaged situations correctly led to my home getting f****d up beyond repair and half my friends and my mother's family seeking residence elsewhere. So dont associate me with that man at all. And let me make this clear, all my dad did was move us to a different hotel (could have been a hilton or not, it was better than staying there). Now, if you have problems with the U.S. embassy being notified, take it up with Jorge Luna, consulate general of Panama in the U.S. who is NOT a U.S. citizen.
I know its hard to believe that a person from a semi-periphery country would do such a thing but bite some brass buddy.
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I do rather get the feeling that some people here didn't read Stickboy's reply before posting...
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the immigration issue should be seen in the light of the swiss government failing to adequately address the changing nature of immigration patterns, coupled with the economic and demographic need for immigration due to declining birth rates.

canada admits approximately 250,000 immigrants and year which is the second largest number in the world, only the united states admits more (about 500,000 to 700,000 a year). however, the US population is ten times larger than canada. public opinion is generally supportive of canadian immigration policies, and immigrants make important social, cultural, and economic contributions. i would assert that the key ingredient that makes canadian immigration effective, and less controversial than any other major immigrant destination country, and results in the integration of immigrants was the implementation of multiculturalism policy in the 1970s. chinese is now the third most widely spoken language in canada having supplanted italian a few years ago.
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