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OK...seeing as I am in moaning mode today, I thought I would would start a thread about the cost of anything medical related.

I had a small biopsy on a mole which took all of about 2 minutes to remove, and the bill came back. Just for the removal (not including biopsy), has set me back 250 Chuffs. Whilst extortionate I have come to expect such hefty bills for relatively quick and minor treatements. But it got me thinking about how much medicines cost in swizterland. Even something fairly straight forward as pain killers. For a country that manufactures and exports medicines to the rest of the world you would have thought it would be much cheaper to buy here. The same medication, made in switzerland but bought in the UK is a fraction of the price.
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OK...seeing as I am in moaning mode today, I thought I would would start a thread about the cost of anything medical related.

I had a small biopsy on a mole which took all of about 2 minutes to remove, and the bill came back. Just for the removal (not including biopsy), has set me back 250 Chuffs. Whilst extortionate I have come to expect such hefty bills for relatively quick and minor treatements. But it got me thinking about how much medicines cost in swizterland. Even something fairly straight forward as pain killers. For a country that manufactures and exports medicines to the rest of the world you would have thought it would be much cheaper to buy here. The same medication, made in switzerland but bought in the UK is a fraction of the price.

for medicines its economies of scale and what the market will accept, the market will accept high prices so .....

there is another thread somewhere discussing the same subject with comparisons of medicine costs in france and germany.

a favorite is vit c tabs.... 13chf compared to €2.30 360% difference.

oh dont forget with a prescription there is an additional 5chf fee for doris/dilbert to read the dosages to you.
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Re: Cost of medication

cost of medication, ie painkillers, something that is suggested for people to bring with them, when newbies ask. Have found countries cheaper than UK, if you are travelling to foreign countries, maybe something to check out, as well as there being some things you can not get in the UK without a prescription.
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I had a small biopsy on a mole which took all of about 2 minutes to remove, and the bill came back. Just for the removal (not including biopsy), has set me back 250 Chuffs.
If that removal was done a a doctor's practice, which is what it sounds like since the labwork seems to have been billed separately, add about 35 Minutes for fixation, packaging, filling out forms and records, mailing (Express), assessing the report from the lab etc.. The average running expenses are in the range of CHF 400 per hour.

May be a losing deal for the doc but has to be done anyway. Depends on how much can be done by his / her staff, but it's not exactly what can be called profitable.

I agree with you concerning the prices for meds, though.
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I had general lab work and an EKG done by my house doctor for pre op testing, I received a bill for over 600 CHF including lab fees! The next time I needed pre op testing I had it done in Czech Republic for 20 euros!
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I had general lab work and an EKG done by my house doctor for pre op testing, I received a bill for over 600 CHF including lab fees! The next time I needed pre op testing I had it done in Czech Republic for 20 euros!
Isn't healthcare in the Czech Republic heavily subsided through taxes?

What tax rate do you pay in the Czech Republic?
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OK...seeing as I am in moaning mode today, I thought I would would start a thread about the cost of anything medical related.

I had a small biopsy on a mole which took all of about 2 minutes to remove, and the bill came back. Just for the removal (not including biopsy), has set me back 250 Chuffs. Whilst extortionate I have come to expect such hefty bills for relatively quick and minor treatements. But it got me thinking about how much medicines cost in swizterland. Even something fairly straight forward as pain killers. For a country that manufactures and exports medicines to the rest of the world you would have thought it would be much cheaper to buy here. The same medication, made in switzerland but bought in the UK is a fraction of the price.
I get all my basic, non-prescription medicines from here, it's a fraction of the CH prices, much better choice, and very reliable service. http://www.chemistdirect.co.uk/?utm_...erConfirmation

EDIT - Obviously they ship to CH.

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Isn't healthcare in the Czech Republic heavily subsided through taxes?

What tax rate do you pay in the Czech Republic?
I am not sure about the Czech Republic. But certainly Brits who are resident in CH are no longer allowed to use NHS services in the UK - exactly because they no longer pay taxes to pay for said service in the UK.

The issue of cost of medicines has been discussed many a time. Personally, I can see both sides - and am not sure which way I would opt for if a choice had to be made. In the UK, all independent chemist's have disappeared in the past 20-30 years. Be they in town, in villages, in rural areas. Those in rural areas have gone altogether, those in villages have almost all gone - and all the ones in towns are now owned by a very small number of chains, with employed managers and chemists. The reasons are multiple, but the main cause is the fact that the 'bread and butter' of medicines, like pain killers, antihistamines, cough syrups, bandages, plasters, knee pads, etc, etc, as well as ointments, face cream, perfumes, cosmetics, are now sold VERY cheaply by supermarkets (often at below profit price, like some other goods, to bring customers through the door).

That means that chemists cannot survive as independents and in areas with low population. Which I truly believe is a great shame. Not only for those in rural areas, like the elderly- but for those of us who enjoyed being able to go to our trusted and local chemist, who knew our personal and family medical history and could advise accordingly.

Studies to that effect have persusaded the Swiss that losing their local chemists is too heavy a price to pay ... even though it does mean that drugs, even simple things like paracetamol, are a lot more expensive. This of course partly because Switzerland is still essentially a rural society.

We regularly go to the UK, and have friends and family who regularly visit- and yes, having said all that, we do stock up on Ipobrufen, paracetamol, etc, in the UK.
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I get all my basic, non-prescription medicines from here, it's a fraction of the CH prices, much better choice, and very reliable service. http://www.chemistdirect.co.uk/?utm_...erConfirmation

just remember the 30 days supply rule.
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Isn't healthcare in the Czech Republic heavily subsided through taxes?

What tax rate do you pay in the Czech Republic?
20EUR is the likely typical cost of private treatment.
Public healthcare would have been free of charge.
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just remember the 30 days supply rule.
No idea what that is.
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I get all my basic, non-prescription medicines from here, it's a fraction of the CH prices, much better choice, and very reliable service. http://www.chemistdirect.co.uk/?utm_...erConfirmation
On looking at the web site I see that prescriptions have to be signed by a UK doctor. In fact, UK chemists are allowed (not obliged) fill your EU or Swiss prescription. I have a UK chemist who showed me the Legislation and Guideline. Sadly, some of the generic drugs are not available or in different doses.
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No idea what that is.

you are only allowed to import 30 days supply, otherwise you risk it all being confiscated.
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Isn't healthcare in the Czech Republic heavily subsided through taxes?

What tax rate do you pay in the Czech Republic?

I'm not sure, I live here in CH, I just waited until we wanted to take a mini trip and planned my checkup around it! I paid privately 20 euros!
Although I do have Insurance here in CH as mandated, it doesn't cover pre op elective testing, hence my trip to CZ. I also shopped for my yearly household over the counter prescriptions and vitamins for practically nothing.
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I'm not sure, I live here in CH, I just waited until we wanted to take a mini trip and planned my checkup around it! I paid privately 20 euros!
I just checked and apparently Czech doctors get paid very, very low wages so it's not subsidised like the U.K.

Although not in your case, healthcare tourism is big business, quite often to the detriment of the local population.

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I also shopped for my yearly household over the counter prescriptions and vitamins for practically nothing.
We do the same in the U.S. or U.K. for ibuprofen etc.
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If you take your prescriptions to the Sunstore pharmacy they do not charge the extra fees. http://tel.local.ch/en/q?what=Sun+Store&where=&rid=QZb_
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I get all my basic, non-prescription medicines from here, it's a fraction of the CH prices, much better choice, and very reliable service. http://www.chemistdirect.co.uk/?utm_...erConfirmation

do you get it shipped here, or do you have to get it in the UK? (I will now go check the site and see what their delivery info says...)

edit: I see they do ship outside the UK, thanks for this website rec!
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Isn't healthcare in the Czech Republic heavily subsided through taxes?
Yes, it is. One pays insurance, which is not so high compared to here, so it is not a free service. Almost free.

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20EUR is the likely typical cost of private treatment.
Public healthcare would have been free of charge.
Nope. Insurance paid on monthly basis, one does not get a bill, since it gets automatically deducted. It is really nothing. There are, however, extra charges if one wants more than a standard treatment and other charges that come with docs visits, etc. On the other hand, poor country invests a lot more into prevention, nursing support, long maternity leave, etc. that all cuts a lot of costs a country would have to foot if kids do not get nursed. Preventative medicine is a lot bigger there, it is organized by unions as well, school, communes.

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I'm not sure, I live here in CH, I just waited until we wanted to take a mini trip and planned my checkup around it! I paid privately 20 euros!
Although I do have Insurance here in CH as mandated, it doesn't cover pre op elective testing, hence my trip to CZ. I also shopped for my yearly household over the counter prescriptions and vitamins for practically nothing.
You can end up paying more, a couple of thousands, depends on the clinic and treatment you need, especially a lab work related stuff (which gets contracted), that is not done inhouse. I would not rely on all being peanuts, really, you can finish being unpleasantly surprised with the final bill, as an uninsured patient. It will never be the same as here, but it can cost a lot, too.

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I just checked and apparently Czech doctors get paid very, very low wages so it's not subsidised like the U.K.

Although not in your case, healthcare tourism is big business, quite often to the detriment of the local population.
To be honest, tourists leaving big bucks for something a country would have to pay otherwise, puts local population to a huge advantage.

Healthcare is a top quality there, anything I can have done, I get done there since the docs take time to actually inform the patient, it is the patient that makes an informed choice at the end of the day. It did not often happened here to me.

It is the doctors who are disadvantaged and since it is all my family, I can explain to you quite precisely - healthcare is not viewed there as a money making career at all. It is still somewhat a very prestigious community service that one needs a hell of a lot of education and sacrifice for. Just like teachers and scientists get paid peanuts, too. It's a different mentality. If I could change it, I would. People who sacrifice a lot, should be rewarded. Lawyers, however, make big bucks. Docs, scientists, therapists, helping and humanitarian occupations, no. I was making similar wage as a janitor in the school I was teaching, very close. Which I did not mind, since you are not trained to greedily want more, work is work. Education is free, too, so you just give back.

It is absurd, that quite often it is the foreigners who bring cash and not local insurance, that give a financial injection to a department, that often seriously lacks funding. They indirectly pay the system that invested a lot of resources into educating their docs. It's pretty fair.

That said, dental work, however almost free or covered by health insurance, sucks there. It cost me nothing, but now it costs a lot of franks to actually have that work corrected. Ok service but butchered jaws and permanent consequences. Meh.

One has to realize that health is not taken lightly here, you get a reliable services, get covered in case something super serious happens, including social support, meds are pretty available and high quality, all is accessible. So I wouldn't complain about costs of meds here. Bedside manners and overall rounded education of doctors is improving and you get some woodoo cherry on top you can purchase, like homeopathy, shamans, raboteurs, herbalism (that I believe in, yo), etc. You just have to shop for a doc sometimes, and, get a lot of info on your own. Not bad.
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