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Heartless removal of a cat from its home

Complaints Corner is for venting? I have to vent about something that occurred this week.

I used to own many pets. I am not particularly fond of cats as they kill birds, but I allow them their life-style, and, like exotic plants, if they come into my life, I care for them.

Now, my vent is about this: Here in CH I "inherited" 2 cats, a mother and her daughter, from a divorce.

The ex-wife decided she wanted the cats and came and fetched them to her home. A couple days later both cats returned home here, both with fear deeply entrenched. It took weeks to "tame" them and for them allow anyone to touch them again.

The ex-wife came and took the mother cat again - to her house in Germany. The cat went missing and has not been heard of since. Obviously, to me, she attempted to return home, got lost, run over, or died en route.

For the last 3 years the daughter cat has lived happily here at home. She has a field out back where she hunts, and another house she visits daily, always returning home for her meals (a very independent individual, who does little ballet dances around my legs to remind me she`s hungry). She has her favourite spots where she lies in the sun, or cuddles up outdoors. Not an indoor cat type, she prefers outdoors.

Now ....... the youngest son (to whom, technically, the cat belongs, and who never fed or cared for her - just a technical ownership) who was living at home has moved out, to another town .... and after sms-ing asking if he can take the cat, and his Dad replying "we need to talk about it" ..... son replying "Am coming over" We waited up, he never arrived ....... the cat has gone missing.

I do believe (because of the thunderous silence) that on arrival here he uplifted the cat outside and just took her. She was so traumatised the last time she was removed - to live in same village hence able to find her way home - this time she is miles away in another town with major roadways to cross.

I hate people who treat animals like a commodity! Hate hate hate them!

I know we are going to be lied to when we ask about Katsie -(because she will be missing from there too trying to find her way home) because I KNOW she will not just accept a "new" life in a strange place. She is about 6 years old and always lived in the same house.

Loving an animal causes such sadness when people pander to their OWN feelings, with not a thought about the animal`s welfare.
I gave up having pets (voluntary) and only care for the involuntary ones thrust into my life - but now am going to put my big foot down - hard!

The weather has brought on my misery about this story - it`s SO cold and icy out - and I`m thinking of her trying to find her way back. At least a couple weeks of travelling. If she makes it.
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Old 06.11.2013, 15:37
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Re: Heartless removal of a cat from its home

Firstly are you sure he's taken her and she's not just lost somewhere nearby?

Secondly, why did you leave the cat outside where it could be taken without you noticing? If I'd been in your position I would have kept the cat indoors so I knew where it was. Only when the problem was sorted out, one way or the other, would I have let the cat out again.

It's not right that people treat their animals as possessions or toys to do with as they like. But if you/ex-husband don't stand up and say no, what do you expect? If you both want her then fight for her. At the least go over to the son's place and find out if the cat is there. She could be trapped in a neighbour's garage/basement/shed and you're wasting time you could be using to find her by making an assumption that the son's taken her.
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Old 06.11.2013, 15:44
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Re: Heartless removal of a cat from its home

I'm really sorry to hear about your sad story, Smoky. I do agree with you, pets are most certainly not commodities and should never be treating as anything less than cherished friends and a part of the family. I imagine as with any divorce, where families fall apart, there are many victims. Except, I feel that it is very hard for animals, if they are being carted off somewhere unable to see their loved ones ever again. At least you can explain the situation to a child, but an animal doesn't comprehend... Would your own son do this to you, though? Just take your cat, and not say anything?

Well, regardless of the situation. I don't think you should put your foot down now and never have pets again. At least, that's how I understood the end of your post (I hope I'm wrong). You sound like a very kind and caring individual - so I think it would be a shame to deprive another cat (or dog) of a loving home. There are so many out there that need that home, and not being treated as a commodity on top of that would be a dream for them. Consider it - I think this would honor the memory of the cats, whom you lost to such a nasty situation. All the best to you.
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...I feel that it is very hard for animals, if they are being carted off somewhere unable to see their loved ones ever again....
While I entirely agree about animals not being treated as commodities, I must point out that cats do not have loved ones. They have loved places but they don't give a toss who can operate the can-opener or give them affection when they're in the mood.
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Re: Heartless removal of a cat from its home

I would urge all who find themselves caught in the middle of a dispute wrt pet ownership to make sure you understand the law first and foremost. We can best protect the animals we love when we do so within the confines of the law.

Ownership issues, especially wrt property distribution in case of divorce, inheritance, or transfer of ownership of found animals are addressed at length in Swiss law.

For starters, here is the Tiere Im Recht page on animals in divorce:

http://www.tierimrecht.org/de/rechts...iere/index.php
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While I entirely agree about animals not being treated as commodities, I must point out that cats do not have loved ones. They have loved places but they don't give a toss who can operate the can-opener or give them affection when they're in the mood.
Let's agree to disagree. I have had cats all my life and I know for a fact that they were not just attached to whoever was holding the can opener. Why would the OPs cats try to return to him on their own after being taken away? Cause they loved his house? Should have been just fine where they were...out of sight out of mind, pass the can of Sheba.
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Let's agree to disagree. I have had cats all my life.
I've grown up with cats. This factor in their psyche is one of the reasons I like them.
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That's what they want you to believe.
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Re: Heartless removal of a cat from its home

I have a cat as well and she is my baby Ive recently had to take her to my parents in Romania because we will be traveling the coming year and I know it is too stressful for her to travel around with us and cats need their territory. This is very important. They can find new owners but territories are very important to them, unless they are indoor cats and not used to the outside. When moving a cat to another home it is very important that you keep the cat inside for at least 1-2 weeks until the cat is accustomed with the new place and starts realizing that this is his/her new home. If you immediately give access to the cat outside, then he/she will go looking for her territory. It is amazing how some cats go long ways to find their old homes. Ive heard some great stories over time about this! Its all instinct for them…
Your cat will probably find her way home and when she does, make sure she stays home Good luck!
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...If you immediately give access to the cat outside, then he/she will go looking for her territory. It is amazing how some cats go long ways to find their old homes. Ive heard some great stories over time about this! Its all instinct for them…
Sure I agree that cats are territorial and have an instinct to look return. But to say that they are only attached to the place and not the person, is a gross injustice to the bond between a cat and its owner. Cats can become very attached to people.
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Sure I agree that cats are territorial and have an instinct to look return. But to say that they are only attached to the place and not the person, is a gross injustice to the bond between a cat and its owner. Cats can become very attached to people.
There is a bond between a cat and its owner, of course. But I do think territory and the instinct of survival/food is a lot more important for them. And Ive learned that with my cat as well. While we were gone on holiday this summer, for a week, my cat didn’t like the fact that she got food only once in 2 days and she made very good friends with my neighbors, a pair of older people who like my cat and she used to go say hi to them once in a while. Now she went there for extra food, meowing a lot and they started giving her extra food. When we came back from holiday, my cat was not “my” cat anymore…she was coming in to eat only and see how Im doing and spending all her time outside and at the neighbors. I requested them to stop giving her food and slowly, in about a month, we were her owners again.
Another thing, now my cat is in Romania with my parents…it took her a week and a half to accommodate and she’s doing just fine without me…she has food, she has a new territory, and she has my parents to interact with…and my mom is telling me she acts with her just as she acted with me…so my mom is her new owner. I believe cats form a bond with that person that gives them food and love. They are animals after all and their stronger instinct is to survive.
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That is so sad..it breaks my heart But you did all you could and without you those cats would have had a much more miserable life. Pets to me are as important as other family members. They have a personality and a soul..they definitely have more love to give than some people. I'm very sorry for your loss
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... Cats can become very attached to people.
No - that's dogs. Though it's what cats want you to believe. To quote Pratchett "If cat's didn't look pretty and make a pleasing noise when stroked, we'd realise what evil minded little b*******s they really are".

Look, when you see the Bond villain stroking his white cat - it's the cat who is the evil genius.
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Re: Heartless removal of a cat from its home

My ex took our cat years ago to her mothers while we were having our house painted, she forgot to mention to her mother to keep the cat indoors at all costs, so the cat escaped and was never seen again.

She is now my ex for that and other good reasons
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That's what they want you to believe.


On Topic: I hope this dispute is settled soon. It is really terrible to lose a pet
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Re: Heartless removal of a cat from its home

Ok, its Thursday .... and Pussy is back home!

I do believe she has made her way home from where she was abducted from, because of her behaviour.

And I do believe she was abducted ... because despite many attempted phone calls that were unanswered, and sms`s that went unanswered, to the son (not mine, he belongs to my partner - and he usually answers promptly - as he is grafted to his iPhone thing) - the only reply came last night in answer to repeated sms`s from his Dad asking "Do you have the cat? Yes or no" ........ a reply came back "Sicher nicht".

Ja, sicher nicht ..... we both believe THAT was the truth .... because the cat was no longer there!

Anyway, about mid morning today (4 days later) she arrived outside - looking strange, and wary - would not let me stroke her or come within any distance of her, would not come inside the house, just into the winter garden where her food is, ate a bit and then scrambled out again and is hiding herself in the garden.

My O/H came home at lunchtime, found her in garden, and also recognised the old trauma signs. Not her usual smiley ballet dancing self.

Well. We`ve decided to wait and see WHEN/IF the son decides to come and have that original discussion (ha!) and carefully watch his facial expressions for truth/lies.
And to also inform him that the cat belongs in THIS house and NO permission is forthcoming for her removal.
And should she ever go missing again we will come search his house and if she`s there he will be charged with theft of our pet.

Anyway, its nice to know she is home safe in her own stamping grounds.
Thanks for reading my rant!
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Oh, Im so happy she found her way home. Slowly, shell come in and calm down. Im glad you are determined to not give in All the best!
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There is a bond between a cat and its owner, of course. But I do think territory and the instinct of survival/food is a lot more important for them. And Ive learned that with my cat as well. While we were gone on holiday this summer, for a week, my cat didn’t like the fact that she got food only once in 2 days and she made very good friends with my neighbors, a pair of older people who like my cat and she used to go say hi to them once in a while. Now she went there for extra food, meowing a lot and they started giving her extra food. When we came back from holiday, my cat was not “my” cat anymore…she was coming in to eat only and see how Im doing and spending all her time outside and at the neighbors. I requested them to stop giving her food and slowly, in about a month, we were her owners again.
Another thing, now my cat is in Romania with my parents…it took her a week and a half to accommodate and she’s doing just fine without me…she has food, she has a new territory, and she has my parents to interact with…and my mom is telling me she acts with her just as she acted with me…so my mom is her new owner. I believe cats form a bond with that person that gives them food and love. They are animals after all and their stronger instinct is to survive.
This. We 'grounded' one of our cats once because he was only using our house for food. Turns out he had found a weak-willed dog owner and had decided that he liked dog food and bed better. Even though he occasionally got lobster bisque at our house (landlady works at marks and sparks and got to take the bbe stuff home at cost). After two weeks grounding he was back to his daily lie-ons after breakfast in the mornings.
OP. I'm glad your cat got home, and hope it recovers quickly.
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Good news smoky! Give her time, she'll come round. And yes, stand firm over any further "requests" to take her from you. She's home and that's where she belongs.
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aw i'm glad this story has a happy ending (:
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Glad you got your cat back. What I like about the cat-owned, is that they're far less humourless than dog owners.
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