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This is a huge mistake. The thread, which someone (you?) appears to have just deleted - which is against all the unwritten rules you mods have - did no such thing.

Why did you delete it exactly?

What precedent have you now set as to what can and can not be deleted?

Who contacted you to ask for it to be deleted?

In the past, mods have refused to delete threads unless spam. What new rule are you following?
Two days and two F ups from Ace1.

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Old 05.12.2013, 11:08
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This is a huge mistake. The thread, which someone (you?) appears to have just deleted - which is against all the unwritten rules you mods have - did no such thing.

Why did you delete it exactly?

What precedent have you now set as to what can and can not be deleted?

Who contacted you to ask for it to be deleted?

In the past, mods have refused to delete threads unless spam. What new rule are you following?
You should not worry, there are links to the post on the wayback machine linked from this thread so you can refer to that if you're really disturbed.

I'm sure it's a case of CYA with a lorra lorra love from the lolcal
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Old 05.12.2013, 11:16
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Two days and two F ups from Ace1
That's only one per day! I did better than that.
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you're really disturbed
You'll be receiving an email from me, cc'd to a made-up legal address, very soon.
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That's only one per day! I did better than that.
You'll be receiving an email from me, cc'd to a made-up legal address, very soon.
And you aren't a mod anymore
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Re: Threaten by company on legal action against posting on EF my bad experience with

Related to the original post which has been deleted - if you want to save money and still get a decent cleaning job, you should have a look at ofri.ch. There you can post your job and get offers on it, then you choose the best price with a good rating. We ended up saving around 500chf with our cleaning+handover.

Too bad that post was deleted, I think negative reviews are very useful for everyone :-( An email with a lawyer Cc'ed on it should not be enough to have bad reviews removed from the internet, but I understand if the OP doesn't want to have some a-hole on a mission threatening him with legal action.
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Old 05.12.2013, 11:23
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This is a huge mistake. The thread, which someone (you?) appears to have just deleted
The thread has only been soft-deleted while we (mods) get a chance to talk about it, and was done at the OP's request. If we decide otherwise we will restore it and/or edit it to remove offending parts.
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Re: Threaten by company on legal action against posting on EF my bad experience with

Sometime just a single word determines if a statement or opinoin is libel or not. http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/27655258

In the OP post nearly everything is o.k. Facts are said, a story is told, nothing to complain about. But at very end the word 'fraud' was used. That is where it is no longer just facts but interpretation and accusation. A very strong accusation, as fraud is a criminal act defined in Art. 146 of the Swiss Criminal Code.

If someone writes a public review it is best to stay away from accusations and name calling such as: liar, cheat, scumbag, fraudster, thief, con, swindler, scammer, racist, etc.

Unless a court of law backed your claims:
http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/gericht-stellt-st-galler-betrueger-an-den-pranger-id2536380.html
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I'd agree - but the website may be perceived to potentially fraudulently claim "No hidden charges e.g. price increases!" - the OP clearly had a late price increase that was down to the company.
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Two days and two F ups from Ace1.

OFF WITH HIS HEAD
Were you two in a sexual relationship previously?
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Then your comment is totally worthless. Sue me.
Tss, sue you? based on what? On your poor capacity to read entirely a post?
Or to understand the basics of our legal system?

No... thankfully for you, there are no law that sanction "idiotism" (it's a fancy neologism).

For the record, I did not need to read the OP's post to comment- I just said that what is perceived as a "negative feedback" can contains defamation, which is punishable by law.

So I was in fact kind to the OP and to Nil (what's wrong with me today???!!!)

But idiots came after and decided to read the my post 2 seconds and then comment on the obvious(ly wrong).

So go ahead, demonstrate again that you understand nothing to the situation!
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Were you two in a sexual relationship previously?
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Dear all,

I posted a thread and shared my experience with EF members on a bad services of a clean!ng company. few days ago i received a threatening email from their company (i guess was their boss) that they will take legal actions against my post , putting in Cc a lawyer who is his companies lawyer it seems, claiming my store is partially wrong.
The email you have received may simply be an attempt at putting a scare in you as retaliation for your posting.

In my opinion, if this was serious, the first you would know about it would be a formal letter from a lawyer.
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I think for the sake of the child you two should work it out and give the relationship another chance

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The email you have received may simply be an attempt at putting a scare in you as retaliation for your posting.

In my opinion, if this was serious, the first you would know about it would be a formal letter from a lawyer.
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Old 05.12.2013, 12:28
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I would put a large bet on it that the company do not have the time or money for the fight either.

They are likely just leaning some weight on you, as a somewhat seemingly powerless individual, to see if you will fold and take action to remove the critique. Hence why they have not gone the official route yet and sent just an aggressive serious sound letter with no real weight.

I would be very surprised if they want to invest time and money in the legal issues of a case that could go either way.
I have to agree with this... it seems almost all companies in Switzerland rely on the fact that expats generally have no clue about the legal system, or just want to "avoid trouble", in order to start throwing their weight around whenever they see something they don't like. I would say it is 99% scare tactics, and most people cave in very quickly.

If they brought such an issue to court, and the accused had PROOF that their story was true, and had written it in a factual way that avoided defamation or unnecessary name-calling, then I imagine they would lose their case as well as pay all the legal fees involved.
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Re: Threaten by company on legal action against posting on EF my bad experience with

Also CC'ing lawyer in emails is hilarious. If you are paying the lawyer then get them to send the damn email.
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Sometime just a single word determines if a statement or opinoin is libel or not. http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/27655258

In the OP post nearly everything is o.k. Facts are said, a story is told, nothing to complain about. But at very end the word 'fraud' was used. That is where it is no longer just facts but interpretation and accusation. A very strong accusation, as fraud is a criminal act defined in Art. 146 of the Swiss Criminal Code.

If someone writes a public review it is best to stay away from accusations and name calling such as: liar, cheat, scumbag, fraudster, thief, con, swindler, scammer, racist, etc.

Unless a court of law backed your claims:
http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/gericht-stellt-st-galler-betrueger-an-den-pranger-id2536380.html

Thanks a lot for sharing that information.

Sometimes just a single word determines if a statement or opinion is libel or not.

And yet some people accused me of not commenting on the OP's post.

I see well the situation in court:

OP: CorsebouTheReturn from EnglishForum.ch told me that my post was not libel or defamation.

Agency: CorsebouTheReturn from EnglishForum.ch told us that the OP's post was libel or defamation.

What do you expect the judge to say to both parties???


PS: Sometimes not to comment on something and seek professional opinion is the best option, regardless of what the clowns on EF are saying.

PS2: i'm wrong, you are right: after all who cares? we're only discussing about something where the risks are 100% taken by the OP!!! I was such a cautious twat...

OP, tell them to feck off in court. Best of Luck.

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The thread has only been soft-deleted while we (mods) get a chance to talk about it, and was done at the OP's request. If we decide otherwise we will restore it and/or edit it to remove offending parts.
That will be all of it then.

If the cleaning company read the first thread, they'll be reading this one too....
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That will be all of it then.

If the cleaning company read the first thread, they'll be reading this one too....
The irony is this thread has much more information than the deleted one.

Well anyone looking for budget cleaning, with service- / hand-over guarantee, no VAT added (!!??) within 25km of Oftringen are probably going to see this thread first. I'm sure people are also searching for Umzugsreinigung too. Apparently they do the whole of Switzerland.

I'd not be using BudgetCleaners. I actually find it very odd that they can offer services without VAT/tax.
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I'd not be using BudgetCleaners. I actually find it very odd that they can offer services without VAT/tax.
and they had the nerve! to threaten to sue? rofl
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