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Old 03.06.2014, 23:29
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Re: English Forum

I am a member of various forums, though not equally active in all and usually not equally active in all at the same time (I too have a job, though I don't work "16" hours a day )

This same crap comes up in every forum on a pretty regular basis. Preferably by people who never post anything (not that I've been a long-term member in EF now, but I'm not the one complaining). Other members, then, are supposedly unfriendly or mean or arrogant or ignorant or whatnot. Blablah.

I have a very easy solution: if you don't like it, stop reading. No one's forcing you to be here. I used to be active in other forums and at some point, I didn't enjoy being part of them anymore - so I stopped writing and eventually also stopped reading. Problem solved. No one's forcing anyone to read or contribute to anything in this or any other forum. I will never understand why some people get so worked up about strangers and their behavior in an internet forum - this or any other.
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Old 03.06.2014, 23:48
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EF is just a big old senior member circle jerk.
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'if you don't have something positive or constructive to say then don't say anything at all'.
So you're suggesting that nobody disagreeing with a post should be allowed to comment on it? Yeah, that'll make for an interesting discussion forum...
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Re: English Forum [complaint about negative responders]

[QUOTE=tobleronelover;2169610]Hello everyone...

I just wanted to throw something out there to see what the general consensus was about the feedback that some people receive on here. I have been a member for quite a few years now (albeit not the biggest contributor ) and I really appreciate the work that the admin team and the people who really keep this website running, as an invaluable open source of info for all the expats who move to this country. I moved here as a non-German speaking Brit and the advice and tips that I have read have been a big help to me.

One thing that really seems to p*ss me off though, is the negativity/bitterness of some of the members. When I read through some of the posts, people get irked about some things, especially when it regards money. Talk of salaries, items for sale, financial advice... and people start to get angry !!!

I don't have a massive salary compared to a lot of people here in Switzerland, but I appreciate that I have worked hard for the last 15 years, studying, working 12/14/16+ hours per day on occasions to get a lifestyle and income and most importantly a satisfaction in life that I want.

I was reading an article regarding the RAV and how some people were angry that somebody was made redundant and had to claim from the RAV the money that they are legally allowed to take from this insurance mechanism. Was it this poor guys fault that he lost his job? Probably not. Was it his fault that due to his larger salary he took an apartment which probably costs more than a WG that other people have. Definitely not. Is it also his fault that according to his salary his cost of living also went up. Probably not.

But the reaction of some people was as though he had robbed a bank and killed someone. I just wish that some people would lighten up on here, give advice if it is needed and it's a free world, offer an opinion! Just leave the attitude and the bad day at work you had behind and help out the other expats on here that are looking for advice or some support.

As my grandmother told me when I was a little boy;

'if you don't have something positive or constructive to say then don't say anything at all'.


I have lived here in the expat world of CH- land for 8 years and for a lot of people EF is a very negative snarky place to get information...I ignore all that and encourage the expats I meet to overlook the negative snarkiness here for the valuable insight..but it is trying at times and a reason I post minimally is that the negativity here can be off-putting and as anyone new to Switzerland needs all the support they can get I wish more posters would think of that before they jump on newbies. I wish some of our more negative forum posters will think of this as a place to help english speakers and not be soooooo negative about innocent comments or posts..it certainly keeps me from posting more !
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Old 04.06.2014, 00:31
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Re: English Forum [complaint about negative responders]

The great learning for me after reading the thread is that there is more negativity within EF population than among swiss population. So complaints about swiss should be taken with a pinch of salt.
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I am a member of various forums, though not equally active in all and usually not equally active in all at the same time (I too have a job, though I don't work "16" hours a day )

This same crap comes up in every forum on a pretty regular basis. Preferably by people who never post anything (not that I've been a long-term member in EF now, but I'm not the one complaining). Other members, then, are supposedly unfriendly or mean or arrogant or ignorant or whatnot. Blablah.

I have a very easy solution: if you don't like it, stop reading. No one's forcing you to be here. I used to be active in other forums and at some point, I didn't enjoy being part of them anymore - so I stopped writing and eventually also stopped reading. Problem solved. No one's forcing anyone to read or contribute to anything in this or any other forum. I will never understand why some people get so worked up about strangers and their behavior in an internet forum - this or any other.
Some people have a lot of time in their hands and a lot of negative energy too. Since they have nothing better to do , they pollute forum environment wherever they post. Some people try to do something to help keeping the desirables and rid the unwanted. Can someone understand?
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Old 04.06.2014, 01:14
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Some people have a lot of time and a lot of negative energy too. They pollute the environment wherever they go. Some people try to do some cleaning to keep the desired and suppress the unwanted. Don't you people understand?
That may be. But I avoid such people in real life and even more so in the virtual world. Where it is even much much easier as I can simply ignore said person or not click on a specific forum anymore if it really bothers me that much.

Contrary to the real world, where you can choose who you want to spend your time with and can - provided that's what you want - only surround yourself with people who are exactly the same as you, the virtual world is simply open to anyone. And "anyone" means that you will inevitably find a very diverse group of people in any forum on no matter what topic. They might have one thing in common - that's what they brought them to the forum - but that doesn't mean they're alike in any other respect. People seem to be unaware of this sometimes.

Sure there's the the odd comment that's a bit out of line or unnecessary. So what. It happens in real life too.

I can think of only one example (in some 12 years of virtual discussion forum activity) where a poster in another forum pushed it too far with certain comments. That person was banned from that forum (probably came back under a different name, but still).
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I can think of only one example (in some 12 years of virtual discussion forum activity) where a poster in another forum pushed it too far with certain comments. That person was banned from that forum (probably came back under a different name, but still).
It happens frequently here.
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Old 04.06.2014, 01:27
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Some people have a lot of time in their hands and a lot of negative energy too. Since they have nothing better to do , they pollute forum environment wherever they post. Some people try to do something to help keeping the desirables and rid the unwanted. Can someone understand?
Isn't there some sort of catchy name for the syndrome when one projects their own issues and feelings onto anyone who crosses their path? Freud maybe...psychological projection
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Old 04.06.2014, 02:02
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Re: English Forum

I'm a member on many forums and I have noticed that sometimes people answer more bluntly on here. I don't see it as lack of respect though, because the content is usually useful. Just don't take it personally and take posts by their content, not the tone. Remember that not everyone is a world citizen and most people don't emigrate for purely non-financial reasons so you might see some emotionally strung-out people on here.
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I can't believe I am going to complain about this but I feel I have to as something needs to be said and action has to be taken by Admin.

The treatment of new posters on this forum is on occasions nothing short of disgraceful.
One simple example is an innocent question being asked by someone maybe new to Switzerland or new to the forum. (Remember, it's only simple if you know the answer)
The smartass replies are shocking, it's seem to be a competition to see who can get in there first with the most smart ass answer.

Yes people can use the search function, yes people should maybe do a bit more research, yes people should maybe know the answer etc etc but the bottom line is that not everyone is as confident as posting on a forum as 'you' are.

The reason it pisses me off so much is that I am pretty sure there have been countless new posters who have never returned because of this, or countless posters who don't post because of this.
I see it as detrimental to the forum.

Any forum always needs new blood otherwise it becomes a 'clique' with the same posters agreeing constantly and ganging up on those not in the 'clique'.

I am a member of several forums and have been for a long time however not everyone is as 'experienced' in using forums and don't quite know how to use search function or be up to date in forum etiquette.

As I said, I see this having a major negative impact on the forum and the forum potentially losing some good people who will bring something to the forum.

In simple terms this place is not very welcoming in certain occasions.

P.s. We were all newbies at some point!
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About 5% of posting info is useful but I would not post a real serious question on here since I would be more worried about the answers being totally false. The EF reputation is certainly that its ok for general stuff but has degenerated a lot in last 1-2 years
Do you know some places that I can post some serious stuff and get a real discussion?
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Re: English Forum [complaint about negative responders]

Half the time people post silly questions on here and then disappear, only to come back weeks later and complain about the advice given.

Someone in Geneva asked here, "Where can I buy towels" I answered out of laziness "In a shop" It turns out she was in an hotel in Geneva and she wanted to know which shops (Coop, Migros, Manor)

So what can I do? Should I waste my time beating the correct question out of them, or should I be blunt and give a short answer? People might say "Ignore the stupid questions". But the point of this Forum is to help people, not to give negative or sarcastic replies.

It takes two to Tango! Crap in results in crap out...
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Half the time people post silly questions on here and then disappear, only to come back weeks later and complain about the advice given.

Someone in Geneva asked here, "Where can I buy towels" I answered out of laziness "In a shop" It turns out she was in an hotel in Geneva and she wanted to know which shops (Coop, Migros, Manor)

So what can I do? Should I waste my time beating the correct question out of them, or should I be blunt and give a short answer? People might say "Ignore the stupid questions". But the point of this Forum is to help people, not to give negative or sarcastic replies.

It takes two to Tango! Crap in results in crap out...


(that combo of questions still cracks me up... the page counts...)

OP, if you spend any time at all on forums you'll find out that it's important to have a descriptive thread title, saves people clicking into a thread that's of no interest to them, and helps when searching the forum. Now you know. One of the friendly moderators fixed yours. They're the only friendly people here.
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Old 04.06.2014, 08:28
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Re: English Forum [complaint about negative responders]

I don't like Toblerone but I've made my peace with the rest of the Swiss chocolate family.

I used to love Hershey bars but now have realized they're best used in Smore's.

Now what was this thread about again?
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Re: English Forum [complaint about negative responders]

Some times i feel the "british banter" style sarcasm goes over board. Its fun at times but when everyone wants to get in on the action and you have page after page with off topic silliness, sometimes even ridiculing the OP its a bit much imo.

Some people really spend way too much time here. This is a forum right, not a social community?
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Grandmothers are so wise. Mine always said:

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
I know this from the bible. It's a bit different there:
"Anyone who has no glass house should step forward and throw the first stone" Jesus said.

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I have lived here in the expat world of CH- land for 8 years and for a lot of people EF is a very negative snarky place to get information...I ignore all that and encourage the expats I meet to overlook the negative snarkiness here for the valuable insight..but it is trying at times and a reason I post minimally is that the negativity here can be off-putting and as anyone new to Switzerland needs all the support they can get I wish more posters would think of that before they jump on newbies. I wish some of our more negative forum posters will think of this as a place to help english speakers and not be soooooo negative about innocent comments or posts..it certainly keeps me from posting more !
Well, if you don't like the tone of the forum and don't post because of it, how do you think it will change? You won't change people's personality so you have two choices: stay passive and do nothing about it except complaining or take it into your own hands to bring new energy, point of view, help to newbies.

You can not expect to have this forum running by the same people all the time and have them all happy and excited to answer for the X time the same answer over and over again.

You don't like it? Do something about it.
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(that combo of questions still cracks me up... the page counts...)
I have to admit, I too find questions like the above ridiculous and I wonder what people expect with these? My answers to those would probably have been: for rice - "go to the supermarket (Coop, Migros)" and to post a letter - "go to the post office (look for yellow "die Post" sign)". That's it. Some probably would have considered this snarky and unfriendly too.

But this being said, there are ridiculous questions in every forum. Sometimes, a quick google search does the trick and people then can't complain about oh-so-rude forum members. Which is why I love http://lmgtfy.com/

And sometimes it would help explaining a little. Asking "where can I buy towels" is one thing. Saying that you've looked in X stores in town Y, but are looking for a specific kind of towel and can't seem to find them, can someone please help - that is quite another.

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'if you don't have something positive or constructive to say then don't say anything at all'.

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I completely agree with you and your grandmother:-). In fact I recently went through this in my post for Sale of TV. One guy decided not only to deride me on the thread, which was still kind of OK, (s)he went on to give me couple of negative reps on account of his/her trolling!!

Yet, this forum provides a unique platform to express yourself and exposes you to a variety of people of all shapes and sizes.

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