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There are many uses on here who have made Switzerland their home and have lived in the country for 10+ years. They have become assimilated and appreciate the benefits the country provides while accepting the negatives.

When a newbie joins EF - who has been in the country 5 minutes and complains about something trivial which, according to the newbie is "a million times better" in the country they come from/just left (to move to Switzerland for more money - I mean a better quality of life) - shackles are raised.

Then the newbie makes the "classic" mistake - they insult those who have been there, done it, and have a wardrobe of t-shirts to prove it - and before you know you have another "New Posters and picked on" thread.
Good morning. With respect your post just confirms my comment. You assume that I have only been in Switzerland "5 minutes" ... well its like nearly 4 years now, but seems longer.

So did I make a "classic" mistake by insulting those here? Not really, as I replied to an already existing thread and in doing so, one or two of your "assimilated" members here including a moderator start getting hysterical just because there are some of us who don`t idolise the Swiss and see them as some sort of demigods.

as for being there , done it , got the tee shirt ... well i am not even going to comment on that.
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Old 19.04.2016, 10:33
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You're doing a great job so far off demonstrating the flip side, where new posters seem to be doing their best to make themselves as unpopular as possible and then complain when established members have a go at them.
Except, with a join date of TWO YEARS ago, he isn't actually a new poster now, is he?

More likely someone who has recently activated a dormant trolling account.

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Old 19.04.2016, 10:39
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You assume that I have only been in Switzerland "5 minutes" ... well its like nearly 4 years now, but seems longer.

Some people can have official residence of a country for years and never actually go there.
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Good morning. With respect your post just confirms my comment. You assume that I have only been in Switzerland "5 minutes" ... well its like nearly 4 years now, but seems longer.

So did I make a "classic" mistake by insulting those here? Not really, as I replied to an already existing thread and in doing so, one or two of your "assimilated" members here including a moderator start getting hysterical just because there are some of us who don`t idolise the Swiss and see them as some sort of demigods.

as for being there , done it , got the tee shirt ... well i am not even going to comment on that.
The problem isn't saying negative things about the Swiss, many of us do that too. The difference is we generally do it in a constructive way while showing respect for the country and the culture that we have decided to live amongst.

You on the other hand, are distinctly negative, a malcontent, and as such you will always cause discord simply through your character. You clearly have a massive chip on your shoulder that goes beyond objective criticism and into personal and emotional territory, you seem petty and spiteful, and people will never respect you for that.

Now I'm not saying you should necessarily care about respect from anyone here, but it should at least help you understand why you provoke the reaction that you do as you seem to be more or less oblivious to the fact.
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it should at least help you understand why you provoke the reaction that you do as you seem to be more or less oblivious to the fact.
You reckon?
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Good morning. With respect your post just confirms my comment. You assume that I have only been in Switzerland "5 minutes" ... well its like nearly 4 years now, but seems longer.

So did I make a "classic" mistake by insulting those here? Not really, as I replied to an already existing thread and in doing so, one or two of your "assimilated" members here including a moderator start getting hysterical just because there are some of us who don`t idolise the Swiss and see them as some sort of demigods.

as for being there , done it , got the tee shirt ... well i am not even going to comment on that.
I will second others here - criticizing per se isn't a problem, but "c'est le ton qui fait la musique" - it's how it's done.

With constant negative input on CH and its residents and citizens, you are really not making yourself popular here. While this (being popular on the forum in the literal sense) might not be your goal (maybe you just want to give information for a short while, maybe you're indifferent, maybe you are one of the "get my info and then disappear, never to be seen again" members, etc.), you could get more constructive input on your points if you at least gave the impression of being in less of an I-must-attack state.
As to who has which citizenship, I fail to see how that is any of your concern, yet you seem to place great importance on it.

For the hundredth time, it's not about "idolizing" (where did you even get that word from) anyone, rather about being polite. Being polite happens to exclude constant backhanded nastiness, which (rightly) puts people off.

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The problem isn't saying negative things about the Swiss, many of us do that too. The difference is we generally do it in a constructive way while showing respect for the country and the culture that we have decided to live amongst.

You on the other hand, are distinctly negative, a malcontent, and as such you will always cause discord simply through your character. You clearly have a massive chip on your shoulder that goes beyond objective criticism and into personal and emotional territory, you seem petty and spiteful, and people will never respect you for that.

Now I'm not saying you should necessarily care about respect from anyone here, but it should at least help you understand why you provoke the reaction that you do as you seem to be more or less oblivious to the fact.

I think that you need to calm down a bit. Maybe a spot of yodelling will help to calm you?
It seems to me that the very thought of someone not liking the Swiss is highly problematic for you. As I said, I only responded to an existing thread and all of my other comments have been in response to comments directed at me.
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Old 19.04.2016, 11:27
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Welcome back. How is the mother country doing?
It's going well. It's always comforting being back in a country which speaks England. Despite what many think, London's public transport is excellent and good value, the new cycle lanes everywhere are shit, and the population in the main happier, less smokey and fatter than here. Restaurants are amazing. Salaries are crap. Heathrow T5 continues to be the best airport outside of Asia (even the HMRC woman was friendly as she looked confusingly at my British passport and then stamped my VAT export form). Weather is mixed. News is full of people disbelieving any stats related to the EU in/out campaign.

There. Executive summary.
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Old 19.04.2016, 11:31
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Maybe a spot of yodelling will help to calm you?
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Old 19.04.2016, 11:33
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I think that you need to calm down a bit. Maybe a spot of yodelling will help to calm you?
It seems to me that the very thought of someone not liking the Swiss is highly problematic for you. As I said, I only responded to an existing thread and all of my other comments have been in response to comments directed at me.
Out of interest, what are you trying to gain from this thread? (Apart from a healthy groan and red blob collection?)
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Old 19.04.2016, 11:35
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Out of interest, what are you trying to gain from this thread? (Apart from a healthy groan and red blob collection?)
Isn't that objective enough?
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I think that you need to calm down a bit. Maybe a spot of yodelling will help to calm you?
It seems to me that the very thought of someone not liking the Swiss is highly problematic for you. As I said, I only responded to an existing thread and all of my other comments have been in response to comments directed at me.
Yeah, this is pretty much exactly what I meant... *shrugs*
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Out of interest, what are you trying to gain from this thread? (Apart from a healthy groan and red blob collection?)
Nothing really ...
The thread is placed in the complaints section where it has the description:

"Something really annoyed you lately? Get it off your chest here. If you are easily offended, please look elsewhere. No ads in this section please"

I posted my views and an opinion which many objected to. But its ok we all have different experiences which form our views. It was never my intention to offend anyone here, as all my comment was of a general direction until I was informed that I hadn't said any nice things about the country and also that I was treating the country with "contempt" ...previously to that I had been accused of trolling just because I said in jest that the Swiss like to eat cats. (as reported by the Swiss)

It does make one think though that if a small number of people can react with such a ferocity just because I failed to praise the Swiss , then it sort of explains why some people react the way they do when their religion is critiqued. Interesting line of thought really ..

but really you are right .. what on earth am i doing here?
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Old 19.04.2016, 12:14
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just because I failed to praise the Swiss
I think explaining things to you is a lost cause. Well, I tried.
Leave you to it.
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Old 19.04.2016, 12:23
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1) There are few here who will always jump to defend switzerland even if a contrary opinion is also valid. (Maybe this comes from living in Switzerland too long as the Swiss cannot take criticism of any sort.)

There's at least one Swiss person on this forum who cannot take any criticism of his country and it's people, even if the majority of a poster's posts are positive.

You'll get passive-aggressive notes along with red-blobs and groans from him.

But not all Swiss are like that - most are a bit more mature in seeing the way the world works.
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So now I just tend to read the comments here ... but my first impression of this forum is:

1) ...... the Swiss cannot take criticism of any sort.)
The issue here is that you just made a Sweeping Generalization.

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2) Make one , even if small error in your post then a small group of "vigilantes " here will jump on it and try to make a big deal of it.
Sometimes. Agreed. Mostly when the weekend is approaching or it is a 31 day month.

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How do we engage people? Last I tried to get my cousin engaged to a friend I was termed a pimp!!

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4) its very "Swiss" in character
And this is actually racist. I hope that you understand that you are talking about the national character of a country and its people!!

There you have it.
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Old 19.04.2016, 12:39
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But is a generalization about the Swiss being unable to take any form of criticism or being able to apologise any different from other nations saying the British are always apologising and saying sorry - even if they've done nothing worthy of an apology?
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even if they've done nothing worthy
Yeah. True.

But to answer you, yes even that would be a 'Sweeping Generalization', by definition.
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But to answer you, yes even that would be a 'Sweeping Generalization', by definition.
Yes, but is it wrong to make generalizations?

I'll always thought that Indians make great computer programmers because they are generally, very good at maths.

A sweeping generalization - but a nice one. Which comes back to the criticism thing again.
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And this is actually racist. I hope that you understand that you are talking about the national character of a country and its people!!

There you have it.
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Swiss is not a race.
Calling "racism" for everything is also negative attitude.
Maybe Generalization or stereotype (which are also both negative behavior), but definitely not racism.
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