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Old 08.02.2014, 23:19
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Well, in those days the internet was in it's infancy and the English Forum was only a twinkle in some geek's eye. But based on the "bath towel" story, had I posted a "where can I buy soap" request, I would have been told (a) you buy soap in a shop and (b) that I am a troll.
Potentially yes you would have been regarded as such. However, if you had mentioned the story that you just wrote up in your question, likely people would have helped you rather than give snarky/usless/trolling answers like we did.

That's the difference.

"where can i buy bath towels in geneva ?" = daft question = daft response

"Hey everyone, this may be a silly question, but I can't seem to find bars of soap anywhere only liquid soap. Are there special stores that sell them or ....."
= appropriate question = appropriate response
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Old 08.02.2014, 23:29
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Re: The Treatment of New Posters

So, moral of the tale is: the admission of being a bit of a twit before you ask your question will help you in the long run and endear you to the rest of the community.
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Old 08.02.2014, 23:34
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So, moral of the tale is: the admission of being a bit of a twit before you ask your question will help you in the long run and endear you to the rest of the community.
Will signature noob suffice?
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there are exactly zero people on the EF who would ever say directly to someone half of the things they post as responses to first-time posters around here.
YES, if meeting somebody directly I say far more than in the forum. So that it is rather the contrary. The direct contact has the advantage that you during the conversation can supply whatever further explanation is needed
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YES, if meeting somebody directly I say far more than in the forum.



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YES, if meeting somebody directly I say far more than in the forum.
I didn't think that was possible.

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Again, stupid questions deserve stupid answers.
Does "stupid" behavior deserve "stupid" behavior back? I think most people can do much better than that.
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Re: The Treatment of New Posters

It would be awesome if somebody with more time and skills would create an alternative to this forum, where certain extreme forms of cyberbulling and defamation that I've seen here over the years would be dealt with legal consequences...
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I'm trying to think of the first 6 months or so (year and more really) that I was here, and what it was like getting around on my own. Even though we were living with hubby's mom when I got here, and there were things I didn't have to figure out then, there were other things I was clueless about how to find / where to obtain.

Even now, nearly 6 years on, there are things I am not sure of - but thankfully, I do know enough to find the relevant area usually, and am confident enough of my situational German (family / household shopping related things mostly) to seek out the nearest employee and ask.

Even though there are THREE Coop locations within a decent walk from my apartment, I wouldn't have known that I could buy towels at Coop - same goes for Migros. Manor I would have known, but I wouldn't have had the first idea how to get there (on my own) because m-i-l always drives there.

Heck, for the "longest" time, I was petrified of going anywhere on my own, because my inquiries of where something was while indicating I would head out on my own were faced with "but what if you get lost?" Indeed, when I couldn't speak German and my only interactions were with hubby and his mother, so I had no idea how many people speak English, so I really didn't know what I would do if I got lost if I headed out on my own to look for towels in some obscure reference to a "shop".


Snarky people exist - but so do nice people. Alas, it seems that many of the nicer people have a lot less time to post (or become less enthused to do so over time) than the snarky ones. Here's to hoping that some of the snarky ones get a little "better" for at least a little while, and some of the nice ones become a bit more active for at least a little while.
I have met many people that found it difficult to start with, mostly those with husbands that came here for work.

But how wonderful is it to walk into your local shop and they know you? I came here as a single and have found a fantastic life and will always sing the praise of the swiss, whilist standing next to my partner and our friends!!
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Old 09.02.2014, 09:32
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Does "stupid" behavior deserve "stupid" behavior back? I think most people can do much better than that.
No no, just the questions.
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Old 09.02.2014, 10:04
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Re: The Treatment of New Posters

I think a lot of Newbies could benefit from taking a few minutes to browse the forum to see what the general tone is. There is a LOT of sarcasm here from bored office workers EF:ing to pass the time so one needs to be prepared to that. Its also bit of a "secret club" that demands a proper introduction and pleasantries as if all this happened IRL and not on an anonymous internet forum.

Like someone posted above; comparing the forum to meeting a group of people at Paddys. Really? I mean - really? Play WoW much?

In addition ive noticed senior members here tend to get a bit too sensitive, they jump at any chance to correct the behavior of a poster they deem "rude". Also, should they views and opinions of the TS differ vastly from that of senior members - the bashing of said TS will go well beyond the borders of simply debating the topic in question, it will be a total character assassination forever scaring away the poster from the forum. Ive seen threads started to warn the forum that a un-likable member has started posting again. Like the gathering of an angry cyber mob with pitchforks and torches.

The notion of senior members "owning" the forum and having superiority of junior members is ridiculous. It don't matter if its your first post or your 3000:th post.

in short, the senior "secret club" members should get a life and new posters should be extra pleasant.

EF is not perfect, some people here are smug assholes. However it is a very laid-back place with a lot of laughs and a life saver if you need quick input on various topics, its a very active and helpful forum. If you tune to it you will have a good time but whatever you do, don't post a thread asking "where can i buy bath towels in geneva".

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Re: The Treatment of New Posters

One of my first posts was about toilet seat compatability between the UK and CH. Now that wasn't a question that had been asked before, nor was it rudely stated, but you've got to admit, it was just asking for a bit of ribbing for that....... And I laughed along. But buried amoungst the warnings of toilet beatles and explanation of different bottom shapes I did find my answer (yes, you can fit a UK toilet seat on a Swiss loo).
Toilet seat compatability?
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I think a lot of Newbies could benefit from taking a few minutes to browse the forum to see what the general tone is. There is a LOT of sarcasm here from bored office workers EF:ing to pass the time so one needs to be prepared to that. Its also bit of a "secret club" that demands a proper introduction and pleasantries as if all this happened IRL and not on an anonymous internet forum.

Like someone posted above; comparing the forum to meeting a group of people at Paddys. Really? I mean - really? Play WoW much?

In addition ive noticed senior members here tend to get a bit too sensitive, they jump at any chance to correct the behavior of a poster they deem "rude". Also, should they views and opinions of the TS differ vastly from that of senior members - the bashing of said TS will go well beyond the borders of simply debating the topic in question, it will be a total character assassination forever scaring away the poster from the forum. Ive seen threads started to warn the forum that a un-likable member has started posting again. Like the gathering of an angry cyber mob with pitchforks and torches.

The notion of senior members "owning" the forum and having superiority of junior members is ridiculous. It don't matter if its your first post or your 3000:th post.

in short, the senior "secret club" members should get a life and new posters should be extra pleasant.

EF is not perfect, some people here are smug assholes. However it is a very laid-back place with a lot of laughs and a life saver if you need quick input on various topics, its a very active and helpful forum. If you tune to it you will have a good time but whatever you do, don't post a thread asking "where can i buy bath towels in geneva".
Some posters know each other online and offline..I think that is the "secret club"(s) thing you are talking about. God forbid you enter an altercation with one from a clique because the fury of nature will be upon you...you better run, run Forest, run!

As for the newbies...many are equally aggressive with older posters. They ask for it.
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Old 09.02.2014, 10:56
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I think a lot of Newbies could benefit from taking a few minutes to browse the forum to see what the general tone is. There is a LOT of sarcasm here from bored office workers EF:ing to pass the time so one needs to be prepared to that. Its also bit of a "secret club" that demands a proper introduction and pleasantries as if all this happened IRL and not on an anonymous internet forum.

Actually, if the new member takes the time to read the informations given to him when joining, it is recommended to give an introduction. Same about reading the stickies.

Like someone posted above; comparing the forum to meeting a group of people at Paddys. Really? I mean - really? Play WoW much?

The comparison was about common curtesy if I remember well. You don't go into a pub or any public places asking a question to a bunch of strangers without any kind of Hi, sorry, please..


In addition ive noticed senior members here tend to get a bit too sensitive, they jump at any chance to correct the behavior of a poster they deem "rude". Also, should they views and opinions of the TS differ vastly from that of senior members - the bashing of said TS will go well beyond the borders of simply debating the topic in question, it will be a total character assassination forever scaring away the poster from the forum. Ive seen threads started to warn the forum that a un-likable member has started posting again. Like the gathering of an angry cyber mob with pitchforks and torches.

I think I know which member you are talking about. In this case, one has to have been around for a while to know why there are such sentiments toward that member. That member is very lucky that we have such great team of mods who could have ban him but instead let him be part of what he once bad mouthed with such passion. There is an history between him and the forum, him and many members that can be difficult for many to just brush away. Time will tell. But be sure of this, it is not a normal feeling toward newbies but an exceptional one.

The notion of senior members "owning" the forum and having superiority of junior members is ridiculous. It don't matter if its your first post or your 3000:th post.

in short, the senior "secret club" members should get a life and new posters should be extra pleasant.

Without the senior members around, questions won't be answered as fast, experience wouldn't be shared. If the forum is left to the newbies only, the forum would lose all the positive aspect of a community. With time, members meet each other offline and create an even stronger community feeling.


EF is not perfect, some people here are smug assholes. However it is a very laid-back place with a lot of laughs and a life saver if you need quick input on various topics, its a very active and helpful forum. If you tune to it you will have a good time but whatever you do, don't post a thread asking "where can i buy bath towels in geneva".
Hi! I am new here and it seems that I can't find bath towel. Can someone direct me to a store, please?

Thank you.
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Hi! I am new here and it seems that I can't find bath towel. Can someone direct me to a store, please?

Thank you.
First of all, I find your question rude and arrogant.

Secondly, why are you asking this? Why do you need a towel? What kind of towel? Where are you from? How did you get here? I can't possibly answer such a question without your entire life history. If you are going to be stupid enough to post a question without providing details such as the color of your underpants, what kind of answers do you expect?!?

Hitler needed bath towels too, you know. Do you love Hitler? I bet you do. What kind of a monster are you?!?

Regardless, you don't need bath towels. You need a hair-drier! Here is where you can buy a hair-drier: <<link>>

Also, this question has been asked and answered many times before. Did I mention that you are stupid and arrogant?

Go and search the forum for your answer. Somewhere, buried in 10 pages of insulting answers such as this, you might find a five-year old answer with a link to an extinct website.

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To be fair, some things are improving. I haven't seen HTFU or LMGTFY for quite some time.
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First of all, I find your question rude and arrogant.

Secondly, why are you asking this? Why do you need a towel? What kind of towel? Where are you from? How did you get here? I can't possibly answer such a question without your entire life history. If you are going to be stupid enough to post a question without providing details such as the color of your underpants, what kind of answers do you expect?!?

Hitler needed bath towels too, you know. Do you love Hitler? I bet you do. What kind of a monster are you?!?

Regardless, you don't need bath towels. You need a hair-drier! Here is where you can buy a hair-drier: <<link>>

Also, this question has been asked and answered many times before. Did I mention that you are stupid and arrogant?

Go and search the forum for your answer. Somewhere, buried in 10 pages of insulting answers such as this, you might find a five-year old answer with a link to an extinct website.

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Re: The Treatment of New Posters

Was thinking the same thing yesterday as in I haven't seen STFU and the ilk for a while and then immediately up popped a post with LMGTFY! Had to laff - very loudly!

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Far too coherent and eloquent to be Corsebou.
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