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Old 18.04.2008, 13:00
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

Truly I can appreciate how horrid it is. Smoking is a foul habit and I rue the day I took it up.
As far as suggestions go, do they have a different balcony to stand or sit on to chuff? What happened to the smoking under the kitchen fan? If the disabled one is as sick as you imply, she doesn't sound as if she has long for this world and, hey presto your tobacco woes are reduced by50%
I think you were asking why I am nasty to the woman upstairs. She was the one who kept putting all the adverts and free newspapers into our letterbox,. I know it is childish, but she denied it when challenged with a fistful of Zugernewstoday halfway into our slot.
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

They don't have an other balcony.... And I don't know where went the kitchen fan suggestion...

The thing is the lady is very very sick, is she dying? I don't know (considering the caughing coming from her when she smokes, It will kill her before her illness) She has a big illness, something doctors can't do anything about. She barely can't walk and she's on pills all the time.

I felt sorry for her before that situation. I was thinking to give some help, time to time, you know, as a good neighbour. Give her some compagny, or help her when her sister is out, etc... I always try to be nice with my neighbours, because we never know if something happen, they will be there for you and you will be there for them... As we live in the same building, we have to make some effort.

When my husband talk to her, she was very agressive. I think she is very miserable, and she is in the situation of not giving up on anything, even if it makes other people miserable.... (How to keep being nice with this?) She told him she doesn't trust anybody, she hates humans, and she only trust animals... (they have 5 cats and 1 dog)
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

...on the risk of earning groans and being called a 'racist' of some kind, this is exactly the reason why i am only renting our flats out to non smoking tenants,i'd rather turn someone away even if they want to rent the flat,other than that i don't care at all from where someone hails or what profession an applicant works in .

Obviously if our tenants have visitors that smoke ,that's a once in a blue moon occasion and not the same as when someone enjoys the lovely weather all bloody day long sat on the balcony( coz one is a pensioner) and goes through a packet or more a day........... since then only non-smokers here please
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

I can see your point easily. smoking is not the problem, it's the smoke coming from it!

And yes of course, we have a lot of thread about it, so we will not talk about their right to smoke or our right to not smoke their smoke.

In your case, you avoid situation like mine now, and I think it is a good idea. It's not better or worst reason to take tenant according to this criteria. Some don't want children, other don't want pets, etc.

Oh! I got an other idea....

Maybe I can begin to give food to the birds.... they will come take the seeds and they will make a mess, the seeds will fall all around and even on their balcony...... ALL THE TIME!!!!! Plus the little gifts they give before to leave.... LOL

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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

Cant help thinking theres a lot of intolerance around towards smokers. Surely if someone is smoking on the balcony below you the smoke is very diluted by the time it reaches up to your balcony. A lot of it will be absorbed or deflected by the roof of their balcony/floor of your balcony and the odd whiff of smoke now then wont cause too much damage. Do you have to open the balcony doors when they are outside or sit outside at the same time as them below?

Instead of trying to change someone elses behaviour and habits - try changing your own perceptions and reactions (which is the only thing you really are responsible for).

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Cant help thinking theres a lot of intolerance around towards smokers. Surely if someone is smoking on the balcony below you the smoke is very diluted
This may be true but it still stinks. I think as an ex-smoker I have a heightened sensitivity for this. I can smell it if the window in the adjacent room is open and someone is smoking below. So why should I breathe stinky air in my apartement for someone else's pleasure? I know from experience it's not really a pleasure, it's an addiction and a deadly one. One of the main reasons I quit smoking was that I couldn't stand the smell of it anymore. And in lot a situations the smoke is not really diluted at all and hazardous to your health.
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

Unbelievable,
Basically, you tell me to not change other people’s behaviour or habits but ME, I should change…
Ok, so it is summer, I’m sitting outside, drinking a coffee, enjoying the sun, and my neighbours are going out to smoke a cigarette, so I should go inside to not be disturbed and wait until they have finish? Oh, and I should close my windows as well, since the smell is coming inside by the windows.
And since you are not here to judge the smell, I will tell you something:
No, the smell is not diluted by the floor, the flowers, the bees or the wind… The smell stills the same, no less, no more as if they were smoking next to me!
You talk about the intolerance around towards smokers… Do you know why people get intolerant? Most of the time, it’s because of those smokers who doesn’t give a **** of non-smokers! If they were a little bit more respectful towards the non-smokers one, no one will complain. So the smokers who are nice and respectful pay for the others…
Read me again… Right at the beginning I said I was nice to them and ready to compromise…. But no, according to you, I should do more, even if they are the one who doesn’t want to be nice and respectful.
I pay 2500 CHF every month; it is not to have to be inside of my house every time they smoke, or to change my perception and reaction towards the really bad smell coming inside of my house! Do I have to repeated, I’m pregnant.
I can choose to go in a place where the smokers are, I can choose to not go there for the same reason. In MY house, I can choose to not have smoke. They smoke outside because they don’t want to have the smoke in their house, but guess what………………. ME TOO!!!!!
This is why I’m angry!
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For a brief period in the early fifties, my Uncle Bertrand had the good fortune to stay in a yalı on the western bank of the Bosphorus, spending his long, balmy evenings listening to the faint bubbling of his pipe, watching the Russian cargo ships pass by, and meditating on the likelihood of his ever beginning to think about doing any research for his monograph on the Empress Theodora, her lovers and her geese (to be fair on the old procrastinator, he had already tried to do some discreet practical research related to the Empress' foul fowl fun in a small brothel in Pera, but had been forced to abandon his experiments when the madame had seen fit to eject him and his feathered factotums on account of all the honking).

My Uncle Bertrand valued his solitude (academically justified trips to the bordellos of Galata notwithstanding), and, with the exception of the Greek Patriarch, a couple of local police chiefs, and one or two of his neighbours' wives, he invited nobody to share his evenings or his apple tobacco. This time was his own, and he guarded it with a ferocity that would have impressed a stylite with a sh*tty stick.

One evening, however, just as the sun sank behind the hills of Rumelia, my uncle was disturbed by a commotion in the somewhat poorly maintained yalı next door. He peered through the wooden grill which shielded his divan, and took a look, to see, to his utter horror, that a group of rowdy army officers were dragging boxes, bags and crates through the narrow door of the neighbouring house, clearly intending to spend a longer period in the house than my uncle could ever abide. That is, anything more than a minute or so.

Not only that, but, being modern army officers, loyal to the memory and spirit of the Father of the Republic, they actively shunned the serene and gentlemanly pleasures of the water pipe, preferring the harsh taste and noxious fumes of the American 'cigarette', as my uncle was soon to discover, night after night after night.

Within a fortnight, my uncle's tolerance had been stretched as thin as a book on Swiss spontaneity, and, after enduring more stinky smoke than he had endured during his entire miserable apprenticeship in a kipper factory in Aberdeen, he decided that Something Had To Be Done.

A few short phonecalls, a wheelbarrowful of lira, and a couple of favours recalled, soon provided my Uncle Bertrand with an enormous Soviet-built electric fan, powerful enough to drive a caique to Constanta, and guaranteed to prevent even the slightest whiff of cigarette smoke from reaching my uncle's divan. With the help of some friendly local fishermen (who had gained more than a paltry meal from the aforementioned madame's aversion to poultry, and were very willing to help my uncle in response), my Uncle Bertrand set the machine up just outside the officers' yalı, plugged it in, and turned it on.

Months later, it was reported that trees had been uprooted in Kamchatka by the sudden blast that had inexplicably swept across Siberia and the Stans one evening in the early fifties. Of course, my Uncle Bertrand and those fishermen who had survived the initial effects of the switching on of the fan knew nothing of this. They did know, however, that the officers in the yalı next door would be troubling my uncle no longer with their cigarette smoke. Nor, indeed, would they be troubling anyone ever again, except, maybe, in some far distant country where they, and their yalı, may or may not have landed.

My Uncle Bertrand and the fisherman toasted each other with raki, and celebrated long into the night, oblivious to the slow smouldering which was taking place underneath their feet. It was only when my uncle's yalı somewhat dramatically burst into flames that they realised the folly of plugging soviet-made industrial equipment into electrical sockets in Turkish wooden houses.

Being forbidden to renew his visa (ever again, in this lifetime, or the next), my Uncle Bertrand was, therefore, unable to complete his eagerly awaited monograph on the Empress Theodora, her lovers and her geese.

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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

Another way..

Check if the lady doesn't like the smell of FISH. Give FISH as a gift to the people below the sick-old-lady and request them to cook the fish couple of times when she smokes.

You might get a chance to make a deal then.

PS: If not fish, check for some other smell which they dont like.
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Ask them to maintain 'Time' and you can be insides during that 'Time' with candles lit

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I know you are a good person who is always nice to people around and what ever might happen, try being as peaceful as you can because becoming too emotional is not good for baby's health. [I understand that even smoke is not good for baby's health]
You might get better ideas when you are relaxed.
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Basically, you tell me to not change other people’s behaviour or habits but ME, I should change…
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Hi Nil,

I feel for you. However, to be realistic the situation you are in is frankly unlikely to change.

You could try telling your landlord, but what are they likely to do? Either you go or the smoking neighbours - and of course your smoking neighbours could easily be replaced by more smokers.

What is important is that you don't let this get out of proportion and let it dominate your life. In a way you do have to change - and I can assure you that I am very intolerant of smoke and smokers myself - but I feel you are in danger of this becoming an obsession.

Fighting back with pets, birds, water, fish etc. will not help the situation at all, although it may make you feel better for a little while. You are able to pay a decent rent, so I suggest you put your efforts into seeking a new flat. This time go for a ground floor flat so that no one below can smoke. You may also then have a grassy area for your coming child to play. So try and make something positive from this situation...

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Unbelievable,
Basically, you tell me to not change other people’s behaviour or habits but ME, I should change…
Ok, so it is summer, I’m sitting outside, drinking a coffee, enjoying the sun, and my neighbours are going out to smoke a cigarette, so I should go inside to not be disturbed and wait until they have finish? Oh, and I should close my windows as well, since the smell is coming inside by the windows.
And since you are not here to judge the smell, I will tell you something:
No, the smell is not diluted by the floor, the flowers, the bees or the wind… The smell stills the same, no less, no more as if they were smoking next to me!
You talk about the intolerance around towards smokers… Do you know why people get intolerant? Most of the time, it’s because of those smokers who doesn’t give a **** of non-smokers! If they were a little bit more respectful towards the non-smokers one, no one will complain. So the smokers who are nice and respectful pay for the others…
Read me again… Right at the beginning I said I was nice to them and ready to compromise…. But no, according to you, I should do more, even if they are the one who doesn’t want to be nice and respectful.
I pay 2500 CHF every month; it is not to have to be inside of my house every time they smoke, or to change my perception and reaction towards the really bad smell coming inside of my house! Do I have to repeated, I’m pregnant.
I can choose to go in a place where the smokers are, I can choose to not go there for the same reason. In MY house, I can choose to not have smoke. They smoke outside because they don’t want to have the smoke in their house, but guess what………………. ME TOO!!!!!
This is why I’m angry!
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Sorry, but you score major 'FAIL' points for that. I guess you're a smoker, then?
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NO!!!!!!!!! Really???? Man, I was sure....

Anyway thanks for the others for your replies. Of course it's a pain, and yes it is bothering me. But, I'm able to sleep in the night, don't worry....

Now than I know I'm not the center of the universe, I don't know how I will be able to deal with this idea....

I try to make the best of the situation... So I'm looking for some idea to make me laugh. I'm not gonna move because of those old stubbern ladies!!! But it doesn't mean I am not gonna do anything.... I may care less about their confort, or the quantity of noise I try to avoid in normal situation.
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

I guess the thing here is get even or wait for them to cark it. I still vote for blasting them with garlic and other noxious smells. If they were composting on their balcony and the smell was coming into your flat, there'd most likely not be a problem with geting the builing owners to do something, but somehow, smoking is fine. I think it's a ****ing cheek to not want to smell your own flat out, but to do it to someone else.
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

Thank you Colonelboris!!! Can I kiss you?? Ha ha!!!

I'm thinking also about it, how stupid is that?

You can't to BBQ as much as you want because of the smoke
You can't put compost because of the smell,

BUT the smoke and the smell from cigarette is fine....

You smoke much more then you grill BBQ in a day...
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Nil, I’m with Abfab on this though I too am a non smoker with a high intolerance cigarette smoke. I don’t allow it it my place, I hate the smell of it on my clothes and hair, I hate people lighting up in restaurants. There’s no lengths I won’t go to avoid it. Last week I even got up from a bench on a railway station because someone on the next bench lit up.I think the intolerance was brought on from hours spent in the car as a kid with the windows wound up and my mum smoking away. I have a similar distate of freshly lit matches. Like a shark’s sensitivity to blood, I seem to be able to detect one part cigarette smoke in a million parts of fresh air. I’m old enough to remember the old days when smoking was allowed in planes trains and buses and in the workplace. Nothing worse that getting on a smoky tram on a damp wet day. Rain and cigarette smoke is like rain and a wet dog - it somehow accentuates the misery.
We’ve come a long way since then. We all know it’s bad for you. We all know the health risks. Smokers are aware of that too.Thankfully smoking is no longer allowed in planes and public transport or the work place. In a few countries it has been banned form all public areas and my guess is rest of Europe will follow suit in time. The way I see it we non smokers have been given huge concessions and I can live with that. Things were and could be a lot worse.

You’ve played all your cards right now. You’ve approached your neighbours directly. You’ve played the “defence of my unborn baby” card. As Abfab said, there’s nothing more you can do except drive yourself into obsession and/or harden the attitude of your neighbours who could respond spite with spite. It seems to me your only alternative is to go inside whilst they smoke on the balcony or move and take the risk that you don't end up with neighbours you find even more inconsiderate to you. Sorry if that’s not what you want to hear but your posts are degenerating into rants against injustices you feel and cannot change.
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

Thanks Nev for your opinion.

I do try to take it more lightly, I think this is very annoying, but I do know myself either.

As much as it's disturbing me and make me angry, be sure I do find my way to laugh about it, and taking it out of my chest. The worse is always if you keep it in and you don't do anything to feel better.

Actually, they will find that much harder then me.... since they live under me!

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My 2 cats will get a new toy, a ball....

Bong bong bong.... sorry, I can't stop my cats to play, it is their rights!!!

Really, do not think it's an obsession, and I'm going mad, I'm just having fun on a annoying situation... This is me, finding a way out of things I can't control, and find something on what I DO have control!

It's a win-win situation!

P.S: I'm not going in war with them... I have better things to do to spend my energy. But like I said before, I'll be less conscious about their own confort...
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Sorry, but you score major 'FAIL' points for that. I guess you're a smoker, then?
Strangely enough no I dont smoke. I am just old enough to remember the days when smoking was allowed everywhere and anywhere and no-one ever complained. My father always smoked and I rather liked the smell of smoke and always used to go upstairs on the bus going to school along with the smokers and it never bothered me. I just dont understand or sympathise with the present day hysteria against smokers. Sure smoking CAN cause cancer of the lungs but as I discussed with a doctor friend of mine, there are other pyschological factors involved such as fear or depression which precedes the onset of cancer and this is usually the reason people smoke to help suppress their inner demons.

The reaction of some non-smokers towards smokers I find very provocative and condescending - thats all.
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They don't have an other balcony.... And I don't know where went the kitchen fan suggestion...

The thing is the lady is very very sick, is she dying? I don't know (considering the caughing coming from her when she smokes, It will kill her before her illness) She has a big illness, something doctors can't do anything about. She barely can't walk and she's on pills all the time.

I felt sorry for her before that situation. I was thinking to give some help, time to time, you know, as a good neighbour. Give her some compagny, or help her when her sister is out, etc... I always try to be nice with my neighbours, because we never know if something happen, they will be there for you and you will be there for them... As we live in the same building, we have to make some effort.

When my husband talk to her, she was very agressive. I think she is very miserable, and she is in the situation of not giving up on anything, even if it makes other people miserable.... (How to keep being nice with this?) She told him she doesn't trust anybody, she hates humans, and she only trust animals... (they have 5 cats and 1 dog)

Your idea of giving her some company and helping her out was a good idea. If you follow that through she may compromise with you about smoking on the balcony. You know like in the Aesop Fable about the sun and wind who each tried to get an old man to take off his coat (or maybe you dont know). Try to place yourself in her shoes: she is old and bitter and maybe didnt have such a good life. If shes really terminally ill or at least an invalid, smoking on the balcony is probably one of her few remaining pleasures in life which she doesnt intend to relinquish
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Hi Nil,

I feel for you. However, to be realistic the situation you are in is frankly unlikely to change.

You could try telling your landlord, but what are they likely to do? Either you go or the smoking neighbours - and of course your smoking neighbours could easily be replaced by more smokers.

What is important is that you don't let this get out of proportion and let it dominate your life. In a way you do have to change - and I can assure you that I am very intolerant of smoke and smokers myself - but I feel you are in danger of this becoming an obsession.

Fighting back with pets, birds, water, fish etc. will not help the situation at all, although it may make you feel better for a little while. You are able to pay a decent rent, so I suggest you put your efforts into seeking a new flat. This time go for a ground floor flat so that no one below can smoke. You may also then have a grassy area for your coming child to play. So try and make something positive from this situation...

Good luck!
I agree, there is nothing you can really do about this, other than setup a fan to try and blow away the stench.

I think even if smoking were to be banned in Public areas, this is NOT a public area so they are in thier rights unfortunately.

I too hate second hand smoke and don't go into smoky Pubs often because of it.

I wish there were an easy solution.
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