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I guess the thing here is get even or wait for them to cark it. I still vote for blasting them with garlic and other noxious smells. If they were composting on their balcony and the smell was coming into your flat, there'd most likely not be a problem with geting the builing owners to do something, but somehow, smoking is fine. I think it's a ****ing cheek to not want to smell your own flat out, but to do it to someone else.
I sense a whole new business opportunity... I can Ebay bags of used nappies for use on balconies above or below where there is anti-social smoking going on.

I've got some real crackers on my balcony and the summer's coming up...
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Once your child arrives, you'll have a legitimate reason for making noise at all hours (or at least your child will).
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Oh, the child is here but at 18 months old he's built for speed and not for noise. He's (strangely) not a noisy one but his nappies would clear the biggest of balconies of even the hardiest smokers.
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Oh, the child is here but at 18 months old he's built for speed and not for noise. He's (strangely) not a noisy one but his nappies would clear the biggest of balconies of even the hardiest smokers.
Thanks for that image. Been there done that and thankfully no longer have to deal with these.
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

As is so happens, my colleagues and I moved offices last week to smaller premises. I share an office with one of my colleagues, and we were delighted to discover that we had a window in our office that actually opens. Five minutes into work, we both noticed the smell of cigarette smoke drifting into our office. Upon looking out the window, we saw 4 men smoking at the entrace to the building, which happens to be under our window.

Grrrrr

Not only is the smell of smoke very unpleasant in an office, but one of my pet hates is having to walk past a bunch of smokers in order to get into my building. Surely these people must know that it looks bad for the company if they are smoking at the entrance? Not to mention the litter of cigarette butts at the entrance door??
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As is so happens, my colleagues and I moved offices last week to smaller premises. I share an office with one of my colleagues, and we were delighted to discover that we had a window in our office that actually opens. Five minutes into work, we both noticed the smell of cigarette smoke drifting into our office. Upon looking out the window, we saw 4 men smoking at the entrace to the building, which happens to be under our window.

Grrrrr

Not only is the smell of smoke very unpleasant in an office, but one of my pet hates is having to walk past a bunch of smokers in order to get into my building. Surely these people must know that it looks bad for the company if they are smoking at the entrance? Not to mention the litter of cigarette butts at the entrance door??
An example of how curing one problem can lead to others. Banned from the inside the building the smokers now congregate in one place which concentrates the problem for those in the vicinity and who are sensitive to cigarette smoke. If you think it's bad now just wait for Summer when the good weather will tempt even more outside into the sunshine. It's now not just an opportunity to smoke but an opportunity to socialise. But we non-smokers can't have it both ways and unless someone does something to address the smokers' interests then I don't see how we can deny the smokers their last refuge. I hear the EU is thinking of legislating so that smokers can't smoke within a few metres of a doorway to a public building but that only passes on the problem somewhere and to someone else.

Much as I would like to see a cigarette free world myself, I share the planet with folks who see things differently and if we expect them to comply with increasing restrictions we should provide them with somewhere to smoke which works for them and non smokers alike so we can all co-exist happily together. I worked in an office in Tokyo where smokers were provided an airconditioned room with a coffee machine. The extraction fan worked really well and although there was an undeniable aroma in the room it didn't permeate the rest of the floor it was on and was far from the rather squalid smoking booths you see in some airports which aren't pleasant even for those who enjoy a smoke. I believe the air was filtered before it exited into the atmosphere. Result, no crowds of smokers and the building's entrance. Not all buildings can accommodate this so perhaps other solutions have to found. All us non smokers can take the moral high road and say smoking is bad for you so everybody should stop smoking but some concessions have to be made for those who see the world differently for their benefit and for ours.
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The guy upstairs has a balcony but doesn't smoke on it... ..smokes in his kitchen.. ..he also likes his weed so I thought that was pretty courteous of him to leave the balcony areas smoke-free, especially with kids.

Anyway, I occasionally have a cig if I go out & will always go outside no matter what the policy is of the place I'm in, call me self-righteous but I can't believe the ignorance of some smokers. Smoking with kids around & even big cigars. I understand how offended some people can get & how it makes others really angry. As usual the Swiss are dragging their feet again but the laws will change here to the non-smokers advantage like in the UK & your neighbour will probably have to go for a walk to have a fag
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We have new neighbours down our appartment, 2 ladies, one very sick, she doesn't go outside of her flat. They do smoke on their balcony, and the smoke is coming right in my balcony and windows and of course inside the house. It's the same as if they were smoking in my house. YARK!!!!

My mother in law told me to not worry, when the baby will be there, they will suffer with the cries, screams, etc... But it will not make me feel good since I will have to deal with it myself.
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I feel very sorry for you especially that I'm a first time mom. This is very tough for pregnant woman (it might affect your pregnancy) and later for your baby as she/he has to be exposed to smoking whole day long on daily basis.....

For sake of your baby, you really have to do something to stop it....move to some place else unless you're ready to do it aggressively (or in subtle way).....

- buy a big ventilator. suck the smoke around your balcony and turn the exhaust pipe downward and release the exhaust gas back down smokers normally don't like to smell smoke except from their own mouths

- get a few plants close to balcony (have it leaned against the rail) and 'water' it drastically till water drip every time you smell the smoke..make sure the drip is containing earth (or sometimes with colored water)

- buy an automatic motor attached with a hammer. Set the timer...every time you go out, make it hammer against the floor until you're back...drive them nut until they initiate to cut a deal.

- put your speaking against the floor, make a blast music right on top of their living room, master bed room. Sound conducts best through solid !!


.... yeah yeah I know it's mean....and yes, i get offensive when I think about how bad this is to a pregnant woman and a baby !!
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

It's great when someone can see both sides of an argument. It is then obvious that they don't have any investment in that argument.
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Bloody hell Muffin! I'd rather have you as a friend than an enemy.
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So I went to them on sunday to explain the situation, I was very nice, smilling, cute, calm, etc. I'm pregnant, and I have my house who smell very bad because of their smoke. I am concern of my health as a pregnant woman and of the baby who will born. I don't want to live in the smoke. They told me they don't want to smoke in the house because of the smell. Something I do understand but it is ME who have the smell in my house.

I want to be able to open my windows, and go on my balcony. I can be reasonnable, and compromise, but it seems impossible from their side. The sick lady is the worst one, she is very defensive and fight against everything. I really respect their rights to smoke, but I ask to have the right to not have smoke in my house. What I will do this summer? Go inside everytime they will come out to grill one? Keep my windows close? I really want to find a solution, and sadly, the law is on their side, I can't do anything if they want to be a pain instead to try to have good relationship with their neighbours...
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So it's make me very angry and frustrated because I can't do anything about it. They ruins my quality of life in my house...

My mother in law told me to not worry, when the baby will be there, they will suffer with the cries, screams, etc... But it will not make me feel good since I will have to deal with it myself.

I was thinking to walk around the house with my shoes in wood... they make a looooooot of noise...
Try putting some of the nicotine gum in their mailbox. Or, enroll on their behalf to a "quit smoking" mailing list, so they get lots of information mailed to them about stopping to smoke.

I do understand your pain. My girlfriend smokes, and I have quit.
The smell is quite pungent, but don't fear for your health too much, at the point the smoke reaches you from a level under you it's pretty much no longer in doses high enough to be toxic it just stinks.

You could try planting Jasmine on your balcony this grows really thickly and the flowers smell fantastic, they will no doubt overpower the hopefully dissipated smoke smell...of course this is seasonal, but it should work for you through the warmer months.

The thing that amazes me, is that if this lady is so ill, why is she still smoking?! Maybe drop some literature in her mail box about how smoking lowers your immune systems ability to process other diseases...

http://www.smoking-cessation.org/con...ffectsbody.asp

Translate this into a german website and drop it in their mailbox

I would stay away from "stink" or "noise wars" as they tend to escalate...
Although if you want to go the stink option, a few well disguised hidden prawn heads will smell quite nasty when summer hits...although you get the smell from this too....
Or you could target elsewhere, my brother for example, put prawn heads in a nasty neighbours hubcaps on their car. So their car stank like rotting fish...but the smell was nowhere near him...

Good luck.

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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

Some thoughts:
  • In my view, Swiss laws are way too liberal regarding smoking in public, particularly indoors (in restaurants, clubs etc.). Hopefully, this will change soon.
  • I think that smoking in private will not be illegal anytime soon, be it indoors or outdoors. So you'll probably have to accept your neighbors' smoking habits. You can sue them, but I doubt you'll have any success in court.
  • I think it's legitimate that your neighbors prefer smoking on the balcony instead of inside. The proprietor will also prefer it this way.
  • For those looking for a new flat: I'd recommend looking for a flat equipped with an air circulation system (that's not an air-con system, as these are usually not allowed for flats in Switzerland). New properties built in recent years are usually equipped with such a system. It keeps the air in your flat fresh and clean even with windows closed. That's also a plus if you happen to live at a busy street or in a noisy environment or if you suffer from hay fever. Unfortunately, such flats aren't easy to get and they tend to cost quite a bit more than average flats (but it's really worth it for added comfort and flexibility).
  • If possible, I'd recommend to do some outdoor sports out in the green (golfing, jogging, cycling, inline skating, hiking etc.). Or go for a swim in the lake/river or for a walk in a nearby park or forest from time to time. That's probably much healthier than staying inside and worrying too much about all the potential dangers in life
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Reason for writing above, which seemed to upset a few people, is the fact that the poster, in 2 of her posts, used the words me, myself, I, 56 times (my flat - nor OUR flat, I pay not WE pay) which always gives the impression of an egocentric personality.

What if he is single?
And does not have an imaginary friend? Or God does not speak to him?
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Reason for writing above, which seemed to upset a few people, is the fact that the poster, in 2 of her posts, used the words me, myself, I, 56 times (my flat - nor OUR flat, I pay not WE pay) which always gives the impression of an egocentric personality.
Actually, if you were to examine life on a subatomic level, and given that intelligence is merely life experiencing itself through a stimuli/feedback loop then in fact.....

You -ARE- the centre of the universe, as you are a being experiencing at that juncture of the feedback loop. Are we one of the whole, or whole of the one. Or am I just rambling?

Or did Xenu do it?
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

Think of a good compromise and take it to your landlord. In my experience the Swiss normally go direct to the landlord rather than approaching neighbours themselves. Apart from owning the place the landlord is neutral so is the best mediator.

They will be obliged to at least talk to the person. Maybe you could suggest they don't smoke there between 8pm and 7am or something so you can at least open your windows in the evening. If you do decide to move, again speak to your landlord first and explain your motives for moving.

The Swiss are normally pretty good at compromise (at least I think so) so it amazes me they still get the smoking issue wrong in some places. Efforts such as smoking areas on open platforms and tram stop would be a start, and it amazes me that in Zürich HB they have ashtrays at every entrance to the sub levels forcing everybody to walk through a cloud of smoke, they only need to move them a few meters away to improve things.
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what's the problem of you? who cares about the no. of time of using 'me and myself" in the thread? It's a complaint corner and is expected to have a lot of 'me feeling' phases especially the poster is a victim ! Do not justify your harsh comment and lecture! You were not the one who inhale the smoke everyday and carrying the baby. Might be you deserve to be groaned by so many people.

funny thing is that when i wrote my thread last night, I was thinking that i will be very much likely to receive a groan from you....as your very harsh statement to the poster really 'impressed' me a lot.
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Bloody hell Muffin! I'd rather have you as a friend than an enemy.
haha, I wonder how much it is able to be executed, probably just worth a few smiles but hopefully it makes the poster feel better that she is supported. I could tell she started with good courtesy, tried her every best to resolve the issue and ended up to accept that 'it's life'. Yes, I have to admit that i could be hostile when it comes to smoking or animal cruelty, other than that, I'm a very sweet person, (note : this is a self advertising , hehe, )
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It's great when someone can see both sides of an argument. It is then obvious that they don't have any investment in that argument.
My guess is with an attitude like that you get yourself into a lot of arguments, right? If all you are interested in is investing in the argument for argument's sake then I take your point.
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

Thanks to all,

Me, Myself and I really appreciated your suggestions. I don't take the moving suggestion as an option since I'm ( oh, pardon, I mean we are) here since a short time. I enjoy the neighbourhood and like many of you said before, I have no garanti to find something else where it will be smoke free from neightbours.

I also don't want to deal with a moving again. It was already a challenge at this time of the pregnancy.

Now I'm not gonna explain if psychologically I have some issues with my mama, and if I was raised as a single kid in a cocoon. If I used the Me, Myself and I (can't believe I have to explain that one.... ) I was talking for myself, not for my husband. I don't have to put myself behind the WE to give my opinions and my feelings on the subject. And he doesn't need me to express his opinion if he wants too...

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