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Old 18.08.2013, 22:11
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It is annoying when people start smoking on their balconies and though it would be fantastic in no one smoked in public places I doubt I will see that utopia in my lifetime. It is annoying having to close your windows during summer because the smoking neighbours have not thought about the people in the other apartments.

I was quite bemused by this comment:

"Quite right. The trouble is, a lot of non smokers have been brainwashed now with much successful campaigning, as well as smokers outcasted to a degree, that this self righteous beast grows within as they deem any whiff of cigarette smoke a deadly assassin."

I don't think there has been any brainwashing going on that I have seen. There are two big problems with smoking the fact that kills the person who smokes and that it damages the health of the people around them. I doubt you are going to disagree with that.

Luckily after years of non smokers having to extreme tolerance having to tolerate people smoking everywhere it is time for smokers to start thinking more about others and to moderate their smoking when they are in public. There needs to be change from areas where smoking is not allowed to having areas where smoking is allowed. That way where smoking is not explicitly allowed it will not be possible to smoke. That seems a sensible way of resolving the current tensions.

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Actually I do disagree with that.

It can kill those that choose to do it.

It certainly doesn't harm anyone if exhaled in open air, the concentration is too diluted. Alas it's no different to smelling your worst food smell, just more often than you'd prefer perhaps.

Of course there's been a brainwashing effort, more social engineering, people weren't so self righteous about smoke 10-15 years ago. They hide behind the health impacts but no one is subjected to enclosed greenhouse type conditions of passive smoke to render any health impacts which leaves the issue of smell. Sadly we all have objections to certain smells.
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I see what you did there, posted drivel with an image depicting the words whilst pointing the finger elsewhere. Very clever.
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Old 18.08.2013, 23:38
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I was quite bemused by this comment:

"Quite right. The trouble is, a lot of non smokers have been brainwashed now with much successful campaigning, as well as smokers outcasted to a degree, that this self righteous beast grows within as they deem any whiff of cigarette smoke a deadly assassin."

I don't think there has been any brainwashing going on that I have seen. There are two big problems with smoking the fact that kills the person who smokes and that it damages the health of the people around them. I doubt you are going to disagree with that.
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Actually I do disagree with that.

It can kill those that choose to do it.

It certainly doesn't harm anyone if exhaled in open air, the concentration is too diluted. Alas it's no different to smelling your worst food smell, just more often than you'd prefer perhaps.

Of course there's been a brainwashing effort, more social engineering, people weren't so self righteous about smoke 10-15 years ago. They hide behind the health impacts but no one is subjected to enclosed greenhouse type conditions of passive smoke to render any health impacts which leaves the issue of smell. Sadly we all have objections to certain smells.
Disagree all you may, just realize that sometimes, people coughing when people pass by who are actively smoking (or sit down next to them at the bus / tram / train stop, or walking out of a building into a cloud of cigarette smoke), are coughing because it actually irritates their breathing apparatus, rather than purely to try to make a point.

Maybe they haven't found all the links, I think it is more that it is nearly impossible to prove because of all the other irritants as well rather than that second hand cigarette smoke is harmless. I mean, it's pretty much a no-brainer I'd think - people who inhale through filters are at high risk for cancer, so why would people who are not so "fortunate" to have a filter less at risk? Yes, the concentration disperses, and when we're talking about someone walking down the street it's pretty miniscule risk (even though their cloud does make my breath catch sometimes), but if I remember right, the main argument in this thread has to do with the smoke entering people's apartment.

It seems like you'd have the choice be that non-smokers either must suffer with stifling heat and lack of air circulation or suffer with increasing levels of smoke in their own apartment. I am lucky, and have windows on two sides of my apartment, so a decent air flow happens when I have all the windows open - not everyone has that "luxury" though, plenty of people only have windows on one side and no natural air flow.
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

My first post in a smoking thread since I've become a (very happy) non smoker a few months ago...

OP, I think the only two possible options are: you either talk to them, or you suck it up. We can spend 10 pages posting about how much we like or don't like cigarette smoke, but that's irrelevant. What's relevant is that they are not breaking the law, and unless you make an arrangement, they can smoke on their balcony as they please. Why in the world people find it so hard to COMMUNICATE is beyond me. When I was a smoker, I worked out a specific spot with my neighbors where I could enjoy my cigarettes, and they wouldn't be bothered too much. Would they never, ever get a whiff of smoke? No, and guess what, the occasional whiff is is not going to kill anybody (I get the second hand smoke argument, for people who are locked up in a room full of smoke for a long time, everyday. The occasional whiff from a passer-by? I get you might not like it, but nope, not going to kill you, so stop being drama queens). On the other hand, was I always happy to move all the way to the smoking designated spot? Nope, but again, guess what, tough luck for me, it's called compromise and coexistence among adults.

So in conclusion, talk to each others, and enjoy your cigarette and your fresh air, in turns.

P.S. I really liked smoking as long as I did, but now that I am a non-smoker, I am so happy to be free from the personal hell that was the addiction/slavery to cigarettes.
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Old 19.08.2013, 07:47
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

We have a neighbour in a different building. They are on the 5th floor. Their building is at the back of ours with a car park in-between.
When we exit the front of our building at 06.30am every morning we can tell if our neighbour is outside smoking.. . . we can also tell at night time too but I guess during the day there are so many other smells (like cars) that we donít notice.

Dear OP, Unfortunately unless you chat to them the situation will not improve.
I feel for you though. My husband has issues with his lungs and as soon as he is in any contact with smoke it starts a coughing fit.

As an ex-smoker I feel particularly sensitive to the smell. . & tbh I donít mind so much the smell of "fresh" smoke. . . . but I wouldnít want it in my apartment. Even when I smoked & it was -20 outside I never smoked in my home.
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Somebody smoking too much below ? Give a lot of water to your plants ! The people below will retreat
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

I'm pretty much allergic to cigarette smoke and almost never went out and partied because of it, as it invariably left me a hoarse, half-blind mess with a terrible headache in the pre-smoking ban days. I never really drank so it wasn't a hangover. My downstairs neighbour recently posted a sign in the lift saying that she keeps finding cigarette butts in her plants and on her terrace. This pretty much sums up my problem with smokers, being completely oblivious to the fact that their addiction stinks and causes breathing problems to many and that cigarette butts are poisonous litter. Yet they still chuck the cigarette butts everywhere, including lakes and other people's property. If you want to stop the anti-smoker laws getting tighter, put a little more thought into your own behaviour. Having rights comes with having responsibilities.

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car - 1) you should at all times have both hands free to drive and not have any distractions (it says something to that effect in the road code) and 2) I often see parents / adults smoking in cars with small passengers in the back, so basically it's a gas chamber on wheels.
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

I feel I ought to point out that the OP was posted in 2006 so hopefully the problem is well and truly sorted out by now.

Despite this some of the recent responses contain some good advice for people who may be in a similar situation. Please don't turn it into yet another smoking/anti smoking thread. There are plenty of those already.
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Peg is close, I will correct people on anything they seem to be misunderstood on, providing I am knowledgeable on the subject. Smoking and the dangers of is a particular favourite, as I am pretty damn confident no body here as invested as much time as I in researching and studying it. This is supported and this is evidenced by all the errors in what they write. I like to research anything that tends to grapple public opinion or be of controversy.

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Disagree all you may, just realize that sometimes, people coughing when people pass by who are actively smoking (or sit down next to them at the bus / tram / train stop, or walking out of a building into a cloud of cigarette smoke), are coughing because it actually irritates their breathing apparatus, rather than purely to try to make a point.
Chlorine in your eyes stings too, but your eyes are ok. People will survive irritants and can quickly remove themselves from such situations.

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Maybe they haven't found all the links, I think it is more that it is nearly impossible to prove because of all the other irritants as well rather than that second hand cigarette smoke is harmless. I mean, it's pretty much a no-brainer I'd think - people who inhale through filters are at high risk for cancer, so why would people who are not so "fortunate" to have a filter less at risk?.
This proves my first point, you do not understand how the toxins work, how the concentration dilutes with air etc etc, so it's misguided opinions that spread the misguided fear amongst the people.


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Yes, the concentration disperses, and when we're talking about someone walking down the street it's pretty miniscule risk (even though their cloud does make my breath catch sometimes), but if I remember right, the main argument in this thread has to do with the smoke entering people's apartment.
Smoke entering peoples apartments is an unfortunate byproduct of the way housing is arranged in Switzerland, but I doubt we will ever see the day, unless smoking is totally outlawed, that people can not smoke in or out of their own homes. I know it is a problem because my neighbours are big seafood lovers and the ones below love a charcoal BBQ so my house is always full of aromas on and off throughout any given day. Being retired they can fill the house with these smells often. Personally I prefer tobacco smoke smell to fish and coal but, I know everyones not the same. Perhaps if there was a concentrated effort to scaremonger me into the damaging effects of passive cooked fish and burning char coal I might feel more passionate but I have always benefited from a decent perspective of reality so perhaps not.

Now unless a person is on their balcony all day everyday right below your window and you have no other windows in your house I can appreciate the smoke might linger and be annoying. This must affect a minimal amount of people but maybe they will want to speak to a neighbour to work it out but it's a tough one.


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It seems like you'd have the choice be that non-smokers either must suffer with stifling heat and lack of air circulation or suffer with increasing levels of smoke in their own apartment. I am lucky, and have windows on two sides of my apartment, so a decent air flow happens when I have all the windows open - not everyone has that "luxury" though, plenty of people only have windows on one side and no natural air flow.
I wont reply to this comment, it is a massive over reaction much like a lot of these threads.
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I wont reply to this comment, it is a massive over reaction much like a lot of these threads.
Considering where we live, with all the rules about noise before and after this and that time, what days you can do yard work, what days you can do laundry, that your neighbors can actually complain - and have it listened to with validation - about what time you shower at night or allow your children to play noisily outside, I don't think complaints about SMOKE affecting the comfort within ones own domicile can possibly be an "over reaction" at all.

We all deserve to be comfortable within our homes, no?



So far as all your research goes, I don't give two figs. What I DO care about is how often walking, however briefly, through a cloud of smoke (let alone how bad it is sitting waiting for public transport, especially on when it's raining), makes me cough, sometimes hard enough to be in danger of losing my breakfast, sometimes hard enough to make me thankful for studious attention to kegel exercises.

Risking giving themselves cancer AND triggering my asthma at the same time? I can not see how anyone can possibly say that is anywhere near "harmless" for anyone.
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Considering where we live, with all the rules about noise before and after this and that time, what days you can do yard work, what days you can do laundry, that your neighbors can actually complain - and have it listened to with validation - about what time you shower at night or allow your children to play noisily outside, I don't think complaints about SMOKE affecting the comfort within ones own domicile can possibly be an "over reaction" at all.

We all deserve to be comfortable within our homes, no?



So far as all your research goes, I don't give two figs. What I DO care about is how often walking, however briefly, through a cloud of smoke (let alone how bad it is sitting waiting for public transport, especially on when it's raining), makes me cough, sometimes hard enough to be in danger of losing my breakfast, sometimes hard enough to make me thankful for studious attention to kegel exercises.

Risking giving themselves cancer AND triggering my asthma at the same time? I can not see how anyone can possibly say that is anywhere near "harmless" for anyone.
Ahh so you have a preexisting condition that makes you potentially more sensitive? That kind of answers your questions.

Considering all the rules you list, you are right, but, then there is no rule on being not allowed to smoke in your home or balcony as far as I am aware. You have links?

Now if I said I don't give two figs I would get all sorts of abuse. Asthma is triggered by a variety of things, perfume, pollen, dust, pet dander, moulds, chemicals, and passive smoke. Why you so focused on the smokers?

It is also suggested asthma attacks can be triggered by other more simpler things such as cold air, extreme emotional arousal such as anger or fear, and physical exercise. In some people, asthma can even be triggered by certain medications, such as aspirin and other non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs.

I wonder whether your extreme emotional arousal of anger is triggering your attacks than the smoke itself? Or perhaps, at a congested bus stop in the rain it is the combination of smoke, dust on clothers, perfume and cold air all in one? Have you noticed how 99% of the other non smokers do not break into fits? I must say, I have not seen anyone have a fit at a bus stop in passive smoke.
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Now if I said I don't give two figs I would get all sorts of abuse. Asthma is triggered by a variety of things, perfume, pollen, dust, pet dander, moulds, chemicals, and passive smoke. Why you so focused on the smokers?
Most of the things you list are natural and unavoidable. I can control how much dust there is in my house, no one can control how much pollen is in the air. Same goes with pet dander and mold - I can control what's in my house, even as it is naturally occurring, I can not control what I encounter out and about, neither can anyone else.

Smoke on the other hand, is completely controllable - by someone, not me, but someone.


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I wonder whether your extreme emotional arousal of anger is triggering your attacks than the smoke itself? Or perhaps, at a congested bus stop in the rain it is the combination of smoke, dust on clothers, perfume and cold air all in one? Have you noticed how 99% of the other non smokers do not break into fits? I must say, I have not seen anyone have a fit at a bus stop in passive smoke.
Nope, no "extreme emotional arousal" triggering asthma issues when near smokers - UNLESS it makes me cough in the first place, I don't care that much. I sit with friends who are smoking since I enjoy their company - and we tend to arrange ourselves so that the smoke is as least likely as possible to be in my face. (More likely culprit here is how mad I get when my in-laws fail to tell me that they or the boys are sick with cold / flu and I wind up with a few weeks of bronchial problems after spending time with them and catching whatever lovely germs they passed around - now THAT could fall under "extreme emotional arousal") Meanwhile, for some reason pot smoke doesn't make me cough the same, and usually neither does pipe or cigar smoke.
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Now if I said I don't give two figs I would get all sorts of abuse. Asthma is triggered by a variety of things, perfume, pollen, dust, pet dander, moulds, chemicals, and passive smoke. Why you so focused on the smokers?

It is also suggested asthma attacks can be triggered by other more simpler things such as cold air, extreme emotional arousal such as anger or fear, and physical exercise. In some people, asthma can even be triggered by certain medications, such as aspirin and other non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs.

I wonder whether your extreme emotional arousal of anger is triggering your attacks than the smoke itself? Or perhaps, at a congested bus stop in the rain it is the combination of smoke, dust on clothers, perfume and cold air all in one? Have you noticed how 99% of the other non smokers do not break into fits? I must say, I have not seen anyone have a fit at a bus stop in passive smoke.
To be fair this post is about smoking so . . my guess is thatís why she focused on it.

Asthmatics tend to focus on things they can change.. not wearing perfume, special duvets for dust etc.. but you cannot stop someone else smoking.

I donít suffer from asthma but sometimes when walking past someone the smoke can catch in the back of my throat & cause coughing. . . or if I was sick recently & spend time near or around smokers I feel crap again for the following two days.

Iím not suggesting banning smoking outdoors & I have no issues with smokers enjoying their smokes outside a bus stop, pub, restaurant etc . . but please donít think the coughing is linked to just asthmatics.

The vast majority of smokers are quite considerate so for me its generally not a big issue.
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Most of the things you list are natural and unavoidable. I can control how much dust there is in my house, no one can control how much pollen is in the air. Same goes with pet dander and mold - I can control what's in my house, even as it is naturally occurring, I can not control what I encounter out and about, neither can anyone else.

Smoke on the other hand, is completely controllable - by someone, not me, but someone.




Nope, no "extreme emotional arousal" triggering asthma issues when near smokers - UNLESS it makes me cough in the first place, I don't care that much. I sit with friends who are smoking since I enjoy their company - and we tend to arrange ourselves so that the smoke is as least likely as possible to be in my face. (More likely culprit here is how mad I get when my in-laws fail to tell me that they or the boys are sick with cold / flu and I wind up with a few weeks of bronchial problems after spending time with them and catching whatever lovely germs they passed around - now THAT could fall under "extreme emotional arousal") Meanwhile, for some reason pot smoke doesn't make me cough the same, and usually neither does pipe or cigar smoke.
Well lets wait for that someone to fix everything. In the meantime, try to stay healthy and avoid the dangers.
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To be fair this post is about smoking so . . my guess is thatís why she focused on it.
I know what the threads about, I am just wondering why out of the whole extensive list of causes for asthma attacks that the crusade is against smoking when there are other causes, many in fact.

It may or may not have something to do with the successful shift of public opinion over the last 10-15 years, who knows.
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It may or may not have something to do with the successful shift of public opinion over the last 10-15 years, who knows.
I think the shift of public opinion has changed with good reason. . . .
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I think the shift of public opinion has changed with good reason. . . .
Oh so do I. I think the recent changes to bring about bans in public houses, restaurants, outside buildings, enclosed train stations etc is a welcome move and people are generally more aware of others in regards to smoking. This can only be a good thing.

The negative fallout from it though is millions of people armed with misinformation or poorly understood facts which they then take out of context and incorrectly apply to situations where the facts become baseless in the argument they are making. This is sometimes more dangerous than the issue itself.
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The negative fallout from it though is millions of people armed with misinformation or poorly understood facts which they then take out of context and incorrectly apply to situations where the facts become baseless in the argument they are making. This is sometimes more dangerous than the issue itself.
How is it "More Dangerous"?

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How is it "More Dangerous"?

(Genuine question & not looking for conflict)
Because people start to form incorrect opinions based on misinformation, start protests or campaigns to influence more people, teach and influence others be it their own children or people around them, who then go on to do the same etc etc.

People today fear the middle east because of misinformation.

People some decades ago, and some still now, fear Jews because of misinformation.

The right trigger and enough hate can result in disastrous consequences.
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

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Because people start to form incorrect opinions based on misinformation, start protests or campaigns to influence more people, teach and influence others be it their own children or people around them, who then go on to do the same etc etc.

People today fear the middle east because of misinformation.

People some decades ago, and some still now, fear Jews because of misinformation.

The right trigger and enough hate can result in disastrous consequences.
What would be the disastrous consequences of smokers being a bit more considerate?
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

Im going to hold my tongue on this one, because I am a smoker and enjoy it.

But, just one thing, your neighbours must be smoking a hell of a lot of cigarettes for it to infiltrate your apartments and clothes in your cupboards etc.

Peg, you can sit with friends who smoke for a few hours but can't sit at a bus stop with a smoker for a few minutes? That's a bit odd.
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