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Old 19.08.2013, 13:28
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What would be the disastrous consequences of smokers being a bit more considerate?
The question being addressed was how is spread of misinformation more dangerous.

As for your question, which does not relate to the quote or post being addressed, there is no disastrous consequence of smoker being more considerate. But how more considerate do they need to be? I mean, people were told they were being killed (over reaction and statistical manipulation but there is a weak argument there), so the smokers were told to go outside, so we did.

Smokers now smoke outside, but thats not enough, they need to be completely away from humanity?

Smokers can only operate within the laws stipulated and common decency they possess. They smoke outside and most, I should think, will not rock up next to people and start smoking in a crowded area. What I see more often than not is a crowded area rock up on me whilst smoking, go figure. I won't apologize for that, but then, they don't tend to start having fits around me either.

The home issue is personal one, case by case I guess. I opted for a big balcony and smoke on it. No complaints thus far. If a smoker lives near you and smokes outside and it gets in your house, speak to them. But how you speak to them will often determine your success in finding a compromise. Attacking their habit and exaggerating on your health impact will likely not help matters. Afterall, they are within their rights to smoke inside our outside their apartment / on their balcony and will likely deem you as a misinformed, overreacting whiner, which may very well be more accurate.
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Old 19.08.2013, 13:32
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Afterall, they are within their rights to smoke inside our outside their apartment / on their balcony.
I don't say anything to my neighbour about his smoking. You're right, it's his right to smoke.
But, to be honest, he looks so ill from smoking and drinking and lack of exercise that I can't imagine he'll be a neighbour for too much longer, anyway (if statistics are anything to live by).
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Old 19.08.2013, 13:36
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I don't say anything to my neighbour about his smoking. You're right, it's his right to smoke.
But, to be honest, he looks so ill from smoking and drinking and lack of exercise that I can't imagine he'll be a neighbour for too much longer, anyway (if statistics are anything to live by).
Maybe he is depressed if he is indulging so much and not taking care himself either. Maybe you can help?

Fortunately, I am not a big drinker, just red wine mainly, and I work out everyday so look damn good if I do say so myself . I also chose to have a property with no road access and steep steps to prepare my legs for ski season each year.

You can be a smoker and in great shape by the way.

EDIT: Of course I could be fitter if I did not smoke. But I am not looking to run marathons or triathlons or anything so that required level is of no interest to me. Likewise, I have doubt about how healthy being THAT fit is on the body itself.
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Old 19.08.2013, 13:40
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Maybe he is depressed if he is indulging so much and not taking care himself either. Maybe you can help?

Fortunately, I am not a big drinker, just red wine mainly, and I work out everyday so look damn good if I do say so myself . I also chose to have a property with no road access and steep steps to prepare my legs for ski season each year.

You can be a smoker and in great shape by the way. ;)
While you're young, perhaps.
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Old 19.08.2013, 13:43
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Sometimes I'll be sitting on our balcony at half past twelve or one o' clock in the morning and I'll get a waft of smoke from the floor below. I find it quite comforting and imagine the chap downstairs having a quiet moment at the end of the day, looking out into the darkness at the same stars and shadows of the mountains that I can see, enjoying his last cigarette before going back inside to bed.

He's a busy man with his own business (he's a mechanic, I think), married with a small kid. His house is full of life and noise from shortly after dawn till quite late into the evening. It's great - they won't be getting any complaints from us - but I can see the attraction of spending a few silent minutes on the balcony with a fag before turning in for the night.

Why would I - or anyone else - begrudge him that?
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Old 19.08.2013, 13:56
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Old 19.08.2013, 14:24
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Im going to hold my tongue on this one, because I am a smoker and enjoy it.

But, just one thing, your neighbours must be smoking a hell of a lot of cigarettes for it to infiltrate your apartments and clothes in your cupboards etc.

Peg, you can sit with friends who smoke for a few hours but can't sit at a bus stop with a smoker for a few minutes? That's a bit odd.
Yep I think your right. If some one is having a smoke now and then I cant see it being an issue, certainly not offensive. I guess iif theres more than one and both are chain smoking..

But I dont know what is happening in this situation
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Old 19.08.2013, 15:24
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Im going to hold my tongue on this one, because I am a smoker and enjoy it.

But, just one thing, your neighbours must be smoking a hell of a lot of cigarettes for it to infiltrate your apartments and clothes in your cupboards etc.

Peg, you can sit with friends who smoke for a few hours but can't sit at a bus stop with a smoker for a few minutes? That's a bit odd.

Most often it isn't like that at a bus stop, but if I've been sick recently, it is. Most often, my asthma is under control (heck, I live up on the 5th floor with no lift, it HAS to be under control), but sometimes (especially if I've been sick), it isn't. These times are when the coughing as I've described happens. (This would also be why I don't go out when I am sick, and why I get pissed when people don't warn me that they're sick when we are planning to spend time together.)
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smoking rates in switzerland are disgusting compared to the rest of the world

while other countries are enacting tougher anti-tobacco laws (plain packaging, ban in parks/beaches/5 yards from within buildings, ban at schools, ban in terraces) ,

switzerland does nothing.

for all you addicts out there - you really think it's about 'freedom' or big tobacco lining their pockets with a cancer causing addictive product marketed towards teenagers that kills 1 out of 2 users.

Suckers.

For all you who think it's a problem - make your voice heard. Switzerland should be a leader in this, not one of the worst countries in the world.
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Tough day at the office?

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switzerland does nothing.
Nonsense.
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Old 21.08.2013, 23:00
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Re: Smoking in the balcony :-O

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...nken--30261277

This is at least a step in the right direct of imposing a further increase in taxes and the price of cigarettes.

Astart but a long way short of adequate they should push the price to 20CHF a packet not a measily 11CHF
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smoking rates in switzerland are disgusting compared to the rest of the world

while other countries are enacting tougher anti-tobacco laws (plain packaging, ban in parks/beaches/5 yards from within buildings, ban at schools, ban in terraces) ,

switzerland does nothing.

for all you addicts out there - you really think it's about 'freedom' or big tobacco lining their pockets with a cancer causing addictive product marketed towards teenagers that kills 1 out of 2 users.

Suckers.

For all you who think it's a problem - make your voice heard. Switzerland should be a leader in this, not one of the worst countries in the world.

Fairly stiff smoking bans have come into effect, so that to say that nothing is done is simply wrong. Add to this that you need a majority of the citizens in a vote to get ahead.

Further on, smoking is banned at schools

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and THIS listing shows that it is not as bad in reality

http://haetten-sie-gewusst.blogspot....chem-land.html

what your statistic shows however is that many CH smokers are exceedingly intensive smokers

But the share of the smokers is clearly below 25%

and far lower than in Germany, not to speak of Austria
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Fairly stiff smoking bans have come into effect, so that to say that nothing is done is simply wrong.

Further on, smoking is banned at schools

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You must have a very weak definition of 'fairly stiff'. Switzerland can't even pass a full ban on smoking in public places. The rest of the EU ( which is behind australia/new zealand/canada/usa ) is trying to pass a plain packaging law and ban flavored tobacco.

And by 'banned at schools' I meant 'banned at universities'. Colleges in the states are starting to ban tobacco on university campuses (yes, including walking around anywhere outside on school grounds).

Another example for Switzerland to follow.

You seemed to have missed the point entirely.
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smoking rates in switzerland are disgusting compared to the rest of the world

while other countries are enacting tougher anti-tobacco laws (plain packaging, ban in parks/beaches/5 yards from within buildings, ban at schools, ban in terraces) ,

switzerland does nothing.

for all you addicts out there - you really think it's about 'freedom' or big tobacco lining their pockets with a cancer causing addictive product marketed towards teenagers that kills 1 out of 2 users.

Suckers.

For all you who think it's a problem - make your voice heard. Switzerland should be a leader in this, not one of the worst countries in the world.
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You must have a very weak definition of 'fairly stiff'. Switzerland can't even pass a full ban on smoking in public places. The rest of the EU ( which is behind australia/new zealand/canada/usa ) is trying to pass a plain packaging law and ban flavored tobacco.

And by 'banned at schools' I meant 'banned at universities'. Colleges in the states are starting to ban tobacco on university campuses (yes, including walking around anywhere outside on school grounds).

Another example for Switzerland to follow.

You seemed to have missed the point entirely.
I don't know of any other places where the people in democratic votes passed smoking bans.

Smoking is prohibited
in offices
in public buildings
in hospitals
in schools incl universities
on trains and trams and buses
in closed rail stations
in bars and restaurants and cafés (except the Fumoirs)

There was no point to have missed, as there is NONE
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Smoking is OUT and a NO-GO for the health and it is a nuisance to everybody around the smokers. I had one of them at home... Bäh...
Who the f... still smokes in 2013?!

I would never again have a relationship with a smoker! Or he would have to stop smoking for my sake. Kissing is ugly, as if one would kiss an ashtray.

To you smokers: find another hobby! Something else to relax you when you are nervous: Yoga, Meditation...

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To you smokers: find another hobby! Something else to relax you when you are nervous: Yoga, Meditation...

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WOw, I was a smoker.....

Obviously you never smoked. Maybe you just weren’t important enough for the guy to stop.

All joking aside, you comment is naive at best.

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I know... and I am glad I never smoked cigarettes or weed...

Chocolate is better...
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