Bad manners from Forum members [Marketplace no-shows]

[John_H]

It's not just EF.. I help admin a buy/sell group on Facebook with 13k members and it's by far the biggest complaint. Daily reports of no shows at home or people travelling to meet people that don't show up. Second to that is people advertising something at xx price and having more than one person interested so they try and get the people to bid higher.

Little can be done about it though, admin powers are limited on both EF and Facebook, ban the people? But sometimes it's "he said this..she said that".. There's just not enough time to get involved in arguments. If a couple of people point the finger at the same person, they get removed or if I don't like something i see in public, likewise.

But thankfully it's the exception no? I've bought and sold loads on EF and Facebook with zero issues.

[Nil]

	Quote:	John_H
	It's not just EF.. I help admin a buy/sell group on Facebook with 13k members and it's by far the biggest complaint. Daily reports of no shows at home or people travelling to meet people that don't show up. Second to that is people advertising something at xx price and having more than one person interested so they try and get the people to bid higher. Little can be done about it though, admin powers are limited on both EF and Facebook, ban the people? But sometimes it's "he said this..she said that".. There's just not enough time to get involved in arguments. If a couple of people point the finger at the same person, they get removed or if I don't like something i see in public, likewise. But thankfully it's the exception no? I've bought and sold loads on EF and Facebook with zero issues.

I start selling on the Facebook buy and sell here in Basel so I don't have this assle anymore. So far I had only one no show in there but at least I know who it is and avoid this person. Here, people hide behind their nickname and they can abuse this. I also tend to start conversation on Facebook groups now as people are more honest and they don't troll or say abuses like here.

[rob1]

	Quote:	Nil
	I start selling on the Facebook buy and sell here in Basel so I don't have this assle anymore. So far I had only one no show in there but at least I know who it is and avoid this person. Here, people hide behind their nickname and they can abuse this. I also tend to start conversation on Facebook groups now as people are more honest and they don't troll or say abuses like here.

Me too but have been dicked about there also.

As in the post above have seen popular items being priced up . There was a camera recently.. seller wanted 95chf then they seller says it's reserved for someone that's prepared to pay 115... nice!!

[19Monica]

I'm currently emptying my house and giving away stuff and selling stuff for cheap on a free and cheap local site. I got called a c*nt because I wouldn't wait around for someone to collect free Primark curtains. She's the c*nt!

[porsch1909]

Oh gosh. Trying to sell things on EF is a nightmare. My advice is to never hold anything for anyone.

One guy just moved to Zurich. Talked on the phone and he said that he'd buy most of my stuff because the price is good. I said to him to email me a list asap and I can do a good price. I even said I will rent a mobility at his expense. He just never got back to me. No PM nothing.

One other guy came to my place. Definitely taking my wardrobe. Maybe my washing machine. Said he will let me know about the washing machine in the morning after they ask the agency if it's allowed.

5pm the next day comes and he says his wife wants all new things.whole day of advertising wasted.

I sold my PS3 3 times. Cancelled twice. One time the person missed their train. So I went home. Then they said that I should come closer to them to deliver it.

Put the PS3 on Ricardo and it sold for a higher price within a day with buy it now.

In fact sold all my things on Ricardo that didn't sell here or on anibis. Sure Ricardo costs... But people actually collect and the items actually sell!

[Mrs. Doolittle]

	Quote:	porsch1909
	In fact sold all my things on Ricardo that didn't sell here or on anibis. Sure Ricardo costs... But people actually collect and the items actually sell!

You can have aggravation with Ricardo too but overall I think most Ricardo users stick to the rules. Also, in my experience it seems most Ricardo buyers already have the transport issue figured out when they have bought an item that must be picked up. That is not the case here. I am still sitting with sold items which have not been picked up because the buyer could not figure out how to collect it. There are enough EF members offering transport services that it shouldn't be impossible to arrange but it costs money.

[jmf]

My dealings with EF in this respect have generally been positive. However, over time I've learned some "rules" (not EF-specific mind you, they also apply to other "free" ad boards such as OLX or gratis-inserate):

1. The more questions one asks about an item, the less likely to buy it. People have asked me incredible amounts of irrelevant questions about stuff, only to stop at some point and not answer me anymore.

2. The more complicated questions one asks about an item, the less likely to buy it. Measurements, weight, even chemical composition (!) were questions I've been asked at some point or another. Of course, end result was either radio silence or "not interested anymore".

3. The more complicated one makes the delivery process or meeting point/time, the less likely to buy it. Meet somewhere obscure, at some weird hour, even send things before getting any money. Hell, I've had a guy make me load up some very bulky items in the car, drive to Germany to deliver them for him and call me 5 minutes before I got there to tell me he's not interested anymore.

4. The more in the future the agreed-upon time/date of finalizing the deal, the less likely it is to go through. Many "wait for me until next week", "i've sent the money today...[a week later]oh I actually didn't send it" etc.

In the end, since I'm not selling diamonds or anything, the process I've come to is pretty simple:
1. Pick-up only for strangers.
2. For people I already had contact with and are cool, treat them like friends: I'll deliver (within a reasonable distance), give (usually) a week of no-questions-asked money back guarantee etc

[porsch1909]

	Quote:	Mrs. Doolittle
	You can have aggravation with Ricardo too but overall I think most Ricardo users stick to the rules. Also, in my experience it seems most Ricardo buyers already have the transport issue figured out when they have bought an item that must be picked up. That is not the case here. I am still sitting with sold items which have not been picked up because the buyer could not figure out how to collect it. There are enough EF members offering transport services that it shouldn't be impossible to arrange but it costs money.

The highest bidder on my washing machine is someone based in Pontarlier with 2 feedbacks...one of which is negative

Fingers crossed

[Mrs. Doolittle]

	Quote:	porsch1909
	The highest bidder on my washing machine is someone based in Pontarlier with 2 feedbacks...one of which is negative Fingers crossed

Stay positive. The negative comments on Ricardo can also be as a result of a "tit-for-tat situation". I have a negative comment as a buyer which was given to me by the seller after I gave her a negative comment. She deserved it. I didn't deserve one back.

The seller tried to conceal the fact that the door on the play kitchen I bought was broken by taping it shut supposedly to help me with transport. I thought, what a nice person, so thoughtful. I did not have a reason to undo the tape. I paid what I bid and off we went.

Later when I removed the tape I discovered the door was broken and would not stay shut. And that is why she got a negative comment. She was angry and gave me one back.

The fact is had she been honest I probably still would have bought the kitchen but not at that price.

[Nina123]

I have not read the entire thread, but the title of the thread was something I was also thinking about the other day. I had bought an article from an EF user who claimed in the EF ad that it was new and was never used, even though it was bought a while ago.
I went ahead and bought it only to realise that not only was the item used (it was easy to figure that out), but it was actually not in good working order! I only got around to using the product a few days after the purchase.
Several messages sent to the user went unanswered, even though I can see that person logs in quite frequently

[Richdog]

	Quote:	Nina123
	I have not read the entire thread, but the title of the thread was something I was also thinking about the other day. I had bought an article from an EF user who claimed in the EF ad that it was new and was never used, even though it was bought a while ago. I went ahead and bought it only to realise that not only was the item used (it was easy to figure that out), but it was actually not in good working order! I only got around to using the product a few days after the purchase. Several messages sent to the user went unanswered, even though I can see that person logs in quite frequently

Report it to the moderators, give full details, and maybe they can have a polite word with them on your behalf.

[jmf]

Btw, doesn't vBulletin (the forum software) support trader ratings? I guess it would be a nice thing to have.

[Richdog]

	Quote:	jmf
	Btw, doesn't vBulletin (the forum software) support trader ratings? I guess it would be a nice thing to have.

Yeah, that would actually be pretty damn good... I know a few sites that use it with good success.

[Nina123]

	Quote:	Richdog
	Report it to the moderators, give full details, and maybe they can have a polite word with them on your behalf.

Nah..that is ok. It wasn't a lot of money, but just that I felt angry and very disappointed as I wasn't expecting this from the wonderful users of EF. Will take it as a lesson learnt, and not take everything written here at face value.

[porsch1909]

I got a classic today. Someone wants to buy my mattress. A 160cm wide mattress. Give them my address and they say how will they get the mattress from my address to theirs bearing in mind they don't have a car.

Probably something they should have thought about before wanting to buy it?

[Patsycat]

There is one lady on Glocals who used to arrange restaurant meet ups.

She got so pissed off with no shows, that they were eventually put on a Black List.

Imagine booking a restaurant for 30 people and only 20 turn up? That, in my eyes, is rude and disrespecting of the lady and of the restaurant who have blocked 30 seats.

And for the furniture sales, why do people show an interest when they aren't? So rude. Need a bloody reality check.

As for the mattress - tell them to get a bloody van or take the bus. Or shove it up.....

[Richdog]

	Quote:	porsch1909
	I got a classic today. Someone wants to buy my mattress. A 160cm wide mattress. Give them my address and they say how will they get the mattress from my address to theirs bearing in mind they don't have a car. Probably something they should have thought about before wanting to buy it?

Goodness grief... the lack of basic common sense in many people is shocking.

[SOBEIT]

	Quote:	porsch1909
	I got a classic today. Someone wants to buy my mattress. A 160cm wide mattress. Give them my address and they say how will they get the mattress from my address to theirs bearing in mind they don't have a car. Probably something they should have thought about before wanting to buy it?

Next, they will be asking you to transport it free of charge!

[porsch1909]

	Quote:	SOBEIT
	Next, they will be asking you to transport it free of charge!

Well I have a car but I'm not getting a 160cm mattress in it!

[Belgianmum]

	Quote:	porsch1909
	Well I have a car but I'm not getting a 160cm mattress in it!

You'd have to scrape a few feet of snow off it first.