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Old 17.03.2011, 21:24
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Re: You can tell a swiss driver

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On the contrary, they speed it up as they eliminate traffic lights and/or stop signs!

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Yes, they would do if they replaced traffic lights or stop signs.

But the reality is that they are placed in roads where there were no such hindrances. Meanwhile difficult junctions where a roundabout might help are left as they are...
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Old 17.03.2011, 21:26
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Re: You can tell a swiss driver

Here you only indicate when you exit the round about. I am not sure if it speeds things up as we have here about 4 pedestrian crossings at each roundabout !!
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Old 17.03.2011, 21:40
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Swiss road "law" is that you only signal when you are leaving a roundabout.
My general perception is that about 80% of people dont use their signals at all.
This also includes turning into a side road!!
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Old 17.03.2011, 21:48
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Swiss road "law" is that you only signal when you are leaving a roundabout.

Roundabouts are relatively new here and are designed to slow down traffic and make road use generally more difficult and dangerous for all concerned - like huge rocks in the middle to obscure a safe view of other traffic and kill anyone who misses to new obstacle in the road...
... no really...

I've never seen you so critical of Switzerland AbFab.
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My general perception is that about 80% of people dont use their signals at all.
This also includes turning into a side road!!
you live in Suisse Romande, that is normal


On the Röstiland they do signal, and also drive with the lights on during the day
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Old 17.03.2011, 22:14
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My general perception is that about 80% of people dont use their signals at all.
This also includes turning into a side road!!
I reckon 80% of people do use them here. The problem is that they use them so late in their manoeuvre that they are next to useless for the other road users who may benefit from them.

And, after talking to a few Swiss here - they really do not understand the concept of roundabouts and how their placement can remove ambiguity from right-of way decisions at difficult junctions and generally speed up traffic flow.
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Old 17.03.2011, 22:23
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And, after talking to a few Swiss here - they really do not understand the concept of roundabouts and how their placement can remove ambiguity from right-of way decisions at difficult junctions and generally speed up traffic flow.
Like this?

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Old 17.03.2011, 22:46
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I reckon 80% of people do use them here. The problem is that they use them so late in their manoeuvre that they are next to useless for the other road users who may benefit from them.

And, after talking to a few Swiss here - they really do not understand the concept of roundabouts and how their placement can remove ambiguity from right-of way decisions at difficult junctions and generally speed up traffic flow.
The ones who do use them try to save energy by only allowing them to blink once before turning them off again. Or maybe they are not trying to save energy but imply trying to accelerate their change to the next phase of existence.
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Because they never use their signals!!!! Drives me nuts at roundabouts

Is this something typically Swiss?

Did you try France ?

One explanation is that roundabouts have been introduced recently in Switzerland. Most drivers have not been educated in their use. There are leaflets at the police stations, but who goes there to pick them up ?
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Re: You can tell a swiss driver

Sorry, didn't read the whole thread.
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Old 17.03.2011, 23:02
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Re: You can tell a swiss driver

Forget the signals, have you noticed how the swiss charge INTO the roundabouts? Be they on a bike or in a 5 ton truck, they brake at the last possible millisecond, always giving me the shakes. Also, I've noticed that if there's me and a swiss at about the same distance from the roundabout, the swiss will not even flinch and proceed entering the roundabout at roughly the same speed, even though I'm also coming in.

On the flipside, I've noticed that 99% of the swiss are very accomodating in jam-situations, like when you're coming into a queue from a side street or into a jammed roundabout or waiting to go through a squeeze spot in a 30km/h residential area: they almost always make place for you or let you get in front of them or yield even if they have priority.

Also, quite often I get the thank-you wave when I yield (legal) priority, which I think is nice. Of course, I try to do the same but don't always remember
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Old 17.03.2011, 23:21
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Yes, they would do if they replaced traffic lights or stop signs.

But the reality is that they are placed in roads where there were no such hindrances. Meanwhile difficult junctions where a roundabout might help are left as they are...
Well, I guess here in Ticino we do things different than you northerners!

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Old 17.03.2011, 23:22
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Forget the signals, have you noticed how the swiss charge INTO the roundabouts? Be they on a bike or in a 5 ton truck, they brake at the last possible millisecond,
Why, how else should one do it?

It's a yield, not a stop!

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Old 17.03.2011, 23:23
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Did you try France ?

One explanation is that roundabouts have been introduced recently in Switzerland. Most drivers have not been educated in their use. There are leaflets at the police stations, but who goes there to pick them up ?
20+ years ago is recently?

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Yes, they would do if they replaced traffic lights or stop signs.

But the reality is that they are placed in roads where there were no such hindrances. Meanwhile difficult junctions where a roundabout might help are left as they are...
IN the Washington, DC area, they replace intersections with roundabouts, and then they double the number of traffic signals than there were before.
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Swiss road "law" is that you only signal when you are leaving a roundabout.

Roundabouts are relatively new here and are designed to slow down traffic and make road use generally more difficult and dangerous for all concerned - like huge rocks in the middle to obscure a safe view of other traffic and kill anyone who misses to new obstacle in the road...
You missed the other important component of Swiss roundabouts - pedestrian crossings on every exit, so you have to stop on the roundabout to let someone cross.

btw - 20% of drivers are probably not Swiss, so the title doesn't really work.

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Because they never use their signals!!!! Drives me nuts at roundabouts

Is this something typically Swiss?
So exactly how do you know they are Swiss, got a big sign on the back of their car have they ?

Switzerland has over 20% of non Swiss living here...
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Old 18.03.2011, 07:42
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btw - 20% of drivers are probably not Swiss, so the title doesn't really work.
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Switzerland has over 20% of non Swiss living here...
Keep up at the back, please!
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Old 18.03.2011, 07:45
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Re: You can tell a swiss driver

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So many?. Wow, that's a high proportion. Something should be done to control this, before it gets out of hand.
Is there someone we can vote for? ..... a political party, or something?
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