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Old 17.03.2008, 05:52
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Roundabout driving - Mirror Signal Manoeuvre

What is it about the Swissies approach when driving on roundabouts. Why don't they signal when they are driving around a roundabout to indicate what lane they will take. I have recently become more aware of the problem! They spend all that money at driving school and they don't teach them how to approach and drive through a roundabout.
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Old 17.03.2008, 06:42
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What is it about the Swissies approach when driving on roundabouts. Why don't they signal when they are driving around a roundabout to indicate what lane they will take. I have recently become more aware of the problem! They spend all that money at driving school and they don't teach them how to approach and drive through a roundabout.
I thought so too so I asked a driving instructor I met at a works do - and guess what, they are taught that if turning right then indicate as you approach the roundabout. If not, only indicate prior to the turn off being taken as any other signals may be "confusing".

So, if they aren't indicating it is safe (usually) to assume that they are continuing around the roundabout.
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Old 17.03.2008, 07:23
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This is normal procedure as in UK highway code for example. You should be in the RH lane if you are turning right and LH for left or straight ahead - unless there are some bizzare oddities.

My personal favourite swiss traffic oddity is at Zürich airport approach, where you leave the motorway from the left lane, which is great except for the loons that are driving at high speed in that lane...

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if turning right then indicate as you approach the roundabout. If not, only indicate prior to the turn off being taken as any other signals may be "confusing".
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Old 17.03.2008, 07:56
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If not, only indicate prior to the turn off being taken as any other signals may be "confusing"
The fixed penalty for not signalling on a roundabout is CHF 100 if the police catch you. And even if you're travelling straight on you have to signal right as you exit the roundabout. The police in my commune regularly set up control points after roundabouts to check signalling. The queue of drivers pulled up is witness to how bad the signalling is.
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Re: Roundabout driving - Mirror Signal Manoeuvre

The roundabout in my village has been in existence for about four or five years now. I still see drivers stopping on it to let traffic from the right through!!
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The fixed penalty for not signalling on a roundabout is CHF 100 if the police catch you. And even if you're travelling straight on you have to signal right as you exit the roundabout. The police in my commune regularly set up control points after roundabouts to check signalling. The queue of drivers pulled up is witness to how bad the signalling is.

I often wondered if we in Switzerland get specially adapted cars, without indicators at all.........it's not only in the round about where this stuff happens

I got taught too, to indicate left when approaching the round-about to signal HELLO I WILL MAKE a 360° turn and always indicate right when u leave the round about,even if you go straight through it.
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Our Swiss neighbour was telling me once when I gave him a lift somewhere that roundabouts are a relatively new concept here so older people who have been driving for years aren't 100% sure how to treat them.

I find that the best thing is to give people plenty of room in case they make a sudden, unexpected move...
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I used to have this discussion with my better half all the time when we were in Finland, there you ONLY indicate on the roundabout if you are taking the first exit, anything else is considered confusing and is likely to get you a ticket.
When we came to CH and I saw the standard of driving I assumed it was the same here so was surprised by the earlier posting saying that they are actually taught to use signals on the roundabout.
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This is normal procedure as in UK highway code for example. You should be in the RH lane if you are turning right and LH for left or straight ahead - unless there are some bizzare oddities.

My personal favourite swiss traffic oddity is at Zürich airport approach, where you leave the motorway from the left lane, which is great except for the loons that are driving at high speed in that lane...

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This is exactly how I was taught in the UK.

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Indicate right if you will take the first exit (in right hand lane where applicable) otherwise no indication on approaching the roundabout but signal right before your exit.

It makes sense if you think about it, otherwise you are indicating that you will be turning left onto the roundabout against the direction of the traffic.
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Old 17.03.2008, 09:53
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I got taught too, to indicate left when approaching the round-about to signal HELLO I WILL MAKE a 360° turn
I was taught that too - be courteous to other drivers and let them know you're staying on the roundabout until the third or fourth exit. I did it here too until the Police told me I shouldn't. It's the kind of "confusing" signalling Swissbob was referring to.
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I got taught too, to indicate left when approaching the round-about to signal HELLO I WILL MAKE a 360° turn and always indicate right when u leave the round about,even if you go straight through it.
It's the same in Australia.

If you're turning left (would be right, here), you indicate left (right) on entry and exit.
If you're going straight through, you don't indicate on entry and indicate left (right) on exit.
If you're turning right (left), you indicate right (left) on entry and while traversing the roundabout, then change to indicate left (right) between the last exit and the one you're taking.

Not only have I never found this at all confusing, the idea of NOT indicating on both entry and while on the roundabout strikes me as the "confusing" option, probably leading to accidents - especially when dealing with large, multi-lane, 5+ exit roundabouts (or do they not have them here ?).
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Re: Roundabout driving - Mirror Signal Manoeuvre

As a north american, i at first hated the roundabouts. It seemed so confusing at the time. But, I have learned to love the excessive use of yield signs and roundabouts in leiu of the many stop signs/stop lights I am used to back in N.A.

But really, I don't think most drivers really adhere to the roundabout rules. Seems as though it's just a free for all. Get your car in when you can. And forget it if it is rush hour. There is a line of about 30 cars deep coming from one side. If on another you can't even get in.
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Re: Roundabout driving - Mirror Signal Manoeuvre

By indicating left you are assuming the last exit will be to your physical left, what if the roundabout has 2 exits, one that is to your right and one is directly ahead, would you still indicate left?
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Seems as though it's just a free for all. Get your car in when you can. And forget it if it is rush hour. There is a line of about 30 cars deep coming from one side. If on another you can't even get in.
The perfect description of Place de l'étoile
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Re: Roundabout driving - Mirror Signal Manoeuvre

Hmm sure I was taught to indicate coming up to the roundabout if I was doing a 360 and always indicate when coming off....
my specific issue are that the inner lane on the bigger roundabouts is useless, everyone, no matter which way they are going stick in the outside lane and just cruise round....also why are the roundabouts so damn tight....I almost need to handbrake turn round some of them.


Signals and position.
When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
  • signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
  • keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave
When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
  • signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
  • keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
  • signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want
When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise
  • select the appropriate lane on approach to the roundabout
  • you should not normally need to signal on approach
  • stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
  • signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want
This is UK of course, so change left to right.

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Re: Roundabout driving - Mirror Signal Manoeuvre

when i first came here you didn't see any roundabouts so they are new to the swiss plus what is confusing is when they indicate when going round a corner if there happens to be a side road coming off the main road.
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Re: Roundabout driving - Mirror Signal Manoeuvre

On the road between Schinznach Bad and Schinznach Dorf there is a crossroads.
I really wish there was a roundabout as I have no idea what to do.
Who has priority? Is it right to left or who gets there first?
People just seem to wait and try and agree using eye contact. Even the swiss seem to have difficulties on this junction. Both roads are of a similar importance.
It has got to the point that if there is more than one other car, I just veer off the first right and do a U turn further down the road and then turn first right back at the junction. (this is if I want to just go straight through the crossroads). It may sound stupid, but it seems the only sensible solution to avoiding a mishap.
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Old 17.03.2008, 11:57
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Re: Roundabout driving - Mirror Signal Manoeuvre

The rule is to just signal when you leave the roundabout. Also there's nothing wrong with driving an extra round if you have orientation problems in a confusing roundabout.

I think it would be too complicated to memorise for every car where he entered the roundabout so there is no additional information in signaling left or not signaling before exiting, visual obstacles are so common in Swiss roundabouts.

And yes, they are relatively new. They were first installed in the French speaking part of the country and have multiplied since.
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By indicating left you are assuming the last exit will be to your physical left, what if the roundabout has 2 exits, one that is to your right and one is directly ahead, would you still indicate left?
No, because you're going straight through. Straight through = no indicator on approach.

On approach, [you should] treat a roundabout just like you would any other intersection. If you're going to come off it left, indicate left. If you're going to come off it right, indicate right. If you're going straight through, don't indicate at all.
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Re: Roundabout driving - Mirror Signal Manoeuvre

[quote=EastEnders;190145]I often wondered if we in Switzerland get specially adapted cars, without indicators at all.........it's not only in the round about where this stuff happens
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Exactly my impression....I've often thought that indicators must be optional extras on Swiss cars and many buyers leave them off the list.
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