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Old 28.04.2014, 20:01
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Re: Such idiots in Swiss politics-Ueli Maurer

Maurer has a problem in the svp because he's perceived as being a spineless softie with no capacity for original ideas or even towing the party line. The party would much rather have somebody like Blocher or at least somebody more like him represent them in the Bundesrat. Maurer thus has to prove he's as much an attack dog as the rest of them. This is the sort of drivel that he comes up with to try and make a point. I doubt he's even fooling his own core supporters though, let alone the rest of his party.
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Whatever. He made a joke, it was mildly amusing to some and offensive to others as most humor is. Hardly worth talking about unless you've got a pretty thin skin - I've certainly said worse in public, and managed to avoid getting hanged.
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Old 28.04.2014, 20:11
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Well I can think of a whole slew of politicians from around the globe that make non "pc" remarks. In public....you just said it is OK to talk Sh*t behind people's backs or in private, but not in public. That makes no sense.
Whether one agrees with the statement made or not, what defines a politician, is one who represents a group of people, publicly. If that group of a people, say, are for donkeys running the country with a slight hatred for the Jewish population, how else do they represent their base other then slighting Jews and talking about the greatness of donkeys?
Don't we all have a public and a private opinion? I at least don't always voice what I think of certain things in e.g. at work/in a business environment. That's why I'm saying - he can think and in a private environment maybe also say what he wants, but as a politician, he has a different responsibility.

It's not like I can't follow your argument, I can, and I see what you mean, but I still disagree to some extent.

But I still think being political in the sense of trying to push your own agenda (of course all politicians do) is not the same as being politically correct. And sometimes it's more about HOW things are said rather than WHAT is said. And like many other prominent examples, Ueli too just doesn't seem to find appropriate ways to voice his opinions. Or he has awful PR advisors

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Who knows how his wife feels about what was said. Does it matter? If a woman had said it, you would have a laugh, and talk about how far we have come ( I am only assuming). I personally do more then my fare share of the household chores when I am working less then my partner. How would that be inappropriate if she said that?
I'd find it equally inappropriate for a woman to make a statement like that about her husband. And it's not about the fact that his wife is a housewife, of course there's nothing wrong with that (neither would anything be wrong with being a househusband of course) - that is not what bothers me in any way. Of course maybe he just wanted to say something about that, but he did in a (to me) bad way - and we're back to the "how" rather than the "what".

But of course it's always a matter of perspective as communication simply isn't objective.
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Old 28.04.2014, 20:12
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well the question is-does he really regard his wife as a household object?
I think that is completely irrelevant, nor do I care for his personal relationship, really.

Saying something like this as a public persona, though...nice.
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Old 28.04.2014, 20:16
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Don't we all have a public and a private opinion? I at least don't always voice what I think of certain things in e.g. at work/in a business environment. That's why I'm saying - he can think and in a private environment maybe also say what he wants, but as a politician, he has a different responsibility.

It's not like I can't follow your argument, I can, and I see what you mean, but I still disagree to some extent.

But I still think being political in the sense of trying to push your own agenda (of course all politicians do) is not the same as being politically correct. And sometimes it's more about HOW things are said rather than WHAT is said. And like many other prominent examples, Ueli too just doesn't seem to find appropriate ways to voice his opinions. Or he has awful PR advisors



I'd find it equally inappropriate for a woman to make a statement like that about her husband. And it's not about the fact that his wife is a housewife, of course there's nothing wrong with that (neither would anything be wrong with being a househusband of course) - that is not what bothers me in any way. Of course maybe he just wanted to say something about that, but he did in a (to me) bad way - and we're back to the "how" rather than the "what".

But of course it's always a matter of perspective as communication simply isn't objective.
I say the exact same thing in front of people I hardly know, I do not know, I know from work, am friends with, and at home. And on this forum.


So, is it safe to say you are two faced?
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Old 28.04.2014, 20:21
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I say the exact same thing in front of people I hardly know, I do not know, I know from work, am friends with, and at home. And on this forum.


So, is it safe to say you are two faced?
Good for you. I don't. And no, this has nothing to do with being two-faced.
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Old 28.04.2014, 20:23
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Good for you. I don't. And no, this has nothing to do with being two-faced.
But did you not say, that in public you say one thing, and in private you say another?
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Re: Such idiots in Swiss politics-Ueli Maurer

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In a meeting today he asked how many commodites one has at home.He answered the question himself - "By us not many . Of course the wife,who does the housework! "
These Swiss politicians are just so out of touch with reality.
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Old 28.04.2014, 20:39
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But did you not say, that in public you say one thing, and in private you say another?
I said that I don't state some of my personal opinions in e.g. the workplace as they have nothing to do with my work and are irrelevant and/or inappropriate for that specific environment.

And this Ueli story here is, for me, the exact same principle.

But I'm not arguing about this any further. Call me two-faced or whatever else you like, it's your opinion and that's fine.
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Old 28.04.2014, 20:51
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I said that I don't state some of my personal opinions in e.g. the workplace as they have nothing to do with my work and are irrelevant and/or inappropriate for that specific environment.

And this Ueli story here is, for me, the exact same principle.

But I'm not arguing about this any further. Call me two-faced or whatever else you like, it's your opinion and that's fine.
Ok, I am calling you two faced. Everyone happy.
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But did you not say, that in public you say one thing, and in private you say another?
That is in no way two-faced. You choose your audience. For most sane people that is normal.

It's perfectly acceptable to discuss your fantasies and kinks with your wife, but it would be inappropriate to drop them into a job interview.
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In a meeting today he asked how many commodites one has at home.He answered the question himself - "By us not many . Of course the wife,who does the housework! "
These Swiss politicians are just so out of touch with reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga8jc1RmtiU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzVE...has_verified=1

The sad thing is that Giacobbo's parody is smarter than the original.
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That is in no way two-faced. You choose your audience. For most sane people that is normal.

It's perfectly acceptable to discuss your fantasies and kinks with your wife, but it would be inappropriate to drop them into a job interview.
Absolutely. And I think confloozed may have confused honesty and total lack of tact, although I do prefer people to be honest and try to be so myself, there are times where "not saying something" is more helpful than "shoving the truth down people's throat". "Not saying something" is not the same as being two-faced and I learned the hard way that a word spoken without thinking has the potential to really hurt others and destroy friendships. I think it is delusional to go through life thinking that "true friends accept all I have to say" because, let's be honest, not all our thoughts are fit for human consumption.

As for the Maurer comment, I think it was idiotic, but the reaction of certain feminists is just as embarrassing. If an idiot says something stupid, I merely see it as proof of my estimation of that idiot. So it doesn't really matter.

On the other hand, Roland Müller, head of the association of employers just took a huge dump on women as a whole, declaring that salary inequality was simply down to women's "personal attitude", which apparently prevents them from working as hard as men. More specifically, their view that working hours should be regular means that they put in less time overall and those pesky pregnancies means women should really be grateful that they get hired at all. Now THAT I cannot accept, as it affects me in real terms, this general suspicion that I will get pregnant and ruin it for everyone and not getting paid the same as my colleague because I have to pick my (hypothetical) child up from daycare by six.

How many marriages would still function if both partners decide that career > private life? Who is supposed to have kids if women should not get pregnant and take time off to rear children? Is it worth taking the gamble of not working and hoping that your partner will indeed provide for you until your children are in their teens and then that you will find a job again? I know too many single mams to consider this a worthwhile gamble.
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Old 28.04.2014, 21:56
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Do you have an ample tree near your house and a Coop Bau und Hobby within walking distance? I can help you with that if need-be.
Only because you still have my tie-down straps!

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Don't we all have a public and a private opinion?
Umm, no.

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I at least don't always voice what I think of certain things in e.g. at work/in a business environment.
I and my co-workers ALWAYS do.

The last vote could have been predicted for some (some pro, some con), but many that I would have expected to vote no voted yes, and with good reason according to them (and I agree with them).

And we are talking engineers and such, NOT subsistence workers.

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On the other hand, Roland Müller, head of the association of employers just took a huge dump on women as a whole, declaring that salary inequality was simply down to women's "personal attitude", which apparently prevents them from working as hard as men.
Women, or in this case the housewives, do work hard too. It's just that their work is unpaid
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Re: Such idiots in Swiss politics-Ueli Maurer

I actually thought it was quite a funny remark but then again I'm not begging to be offended, I grew up in an era when some could make a joke without being branded with a label.

Oh and by the way.

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In a meeting today he asked how many commodites one has at home.He answered the question himself - "By us not many . Of course the wife,who does the housework! "
These Swiss politicians are just so out of touch with reality.
This idiot won more elections and more public votes than any other. He knows that many vote according to the ar.... and the pen-.... and not with the brain.

He therefore is very much in touch ... ; ... with the reality of his clientele. That I basically agree with you unfortunately does not mean that we are right, as we both at the bottom line (ar... line) are WRONG
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Maurer has a problem in the svp because he's perceived as being a spineless softie with no capacity for original ideas or even towing the party line. The party would much rather have somebody like Blocher or at least somebody more like him represent them in the Bundesrat. Maurer thus has to prove he's as much an attack dog as the rest of them. This is the sort of drivel that he comes up with to try and make a point. I doubt he's even fooling his own core supporters though, let alone the rest of his party.
YES, in REAL politics he is up for compromise, he is on good terms with centrists like Mrs Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf and SocialDemocrat Alain Berset. Since he has become Bundesrat I several times (Gripen included) found myself among his supporters. Amazingly enough I some time ago defended him against some dedicated SVP followers
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