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Old 30.04.2014, 18:44
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OT, but the poor guy went on a massive restrictive diet, and lost half his weight in about 8 months. He now has a healthy BMI, but looks like he aged 15 years and is just the ghost of his former self.

I saw him at Leman centre coop, and he actually scared me!
he did lose weight but this was after surgery so he must still treat himself despite the massive diet. and his wife makes some damn fine ice cream so i'm sure it's not all lentils and sprouts, which is ok by me

i actually saw him today (he's pretty much everywhere)- was eating in the same place as him and he certainly lost a ton of weight, but unfortunately wears the same clothes as before. so there's a lot of pulling and grunting going on...

anyway- he was also a open legged metro sitter, i might add. so, if you think there's hope for proper etiquette on public transport, at least in lausanne. think again
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It's called "breathing space", I believe.


Absolutely agree- but I am sure that if the train is full and people are standing- you'd move your bag without being asked- wouldn't you
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Old 30.04.2014, 18:51
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he did lose weight but this was after surgery so he must still treat himself despite the massive diet. and his wife makes some damn fine ice cream so i'm sure it's not all lentils and sprouts, which is ok by me

i actually saw him today (he's pretty much everywhere)- was eating in the same place as him and he certainly lost a ton of weight, but unfortunately wears the same clothes as before. so there's a lot of pulling and grunting going on...

anyway- he was also a open legged metro sitter, i might add. so, if you think there's hope for proper etiquette on public transport, at least in lausanne. think again
I wonder if our version of 20min is as bored as the other one..We might read your story on the way to work tomorrow.
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Old 30.04.2014, 21:56
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Re: Get your bag off my seat

Back in the direction of the original topic, I was on a train once which had a long stop in Bern during a busy period and was alone on a group of 4 seats.
Soon, a woman came with her bags and courteously asked if there were 2 free seats. I said, "yes" so she took the two opposite me. But, instead of sitting, she simply "reserved" the two seats by depositing her bags and then went away through the train to fetch a friend with whom made some arrangement.
Well, the train began to fill up; the seat next to me was soon taken, and then it began. Everyone who passed looking for a seat asked if the two seats opposite me were taken.
After what seemed an eternity of repeating "sorry, the seats have been taken by another passenger" I gave up and put her bags on the luggage rack and the seats were then immediately taken.
The woman returned some time later with her friend and saw her bags on the rack and all four seats taken.
She took it very well actually but probably because she did not know with whom to remonstrate !
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Old 03.05.2014, 16:45
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Re: Get your bag off my seat

if I remove the bag every time someone approaches, they will sit there, if I leave it on, maybe they'll ask somebody else to remove their bag first and I get to keep more space. I especially don't like sitting next to men taller than 1.70 m because it ends up with my left leg and his right leg pushing against each other by gravity and when walking to the station I get sweated already, no need for added heat transmission. The thing about men sitting with legs wide open is due to gravity. I guess omen can't understand this because their pelvis has a different shape. I'd have to actively keep my muscles tensed to keep the legs straight forward, unless the seat is shaped to contain them (never on commuter trains) or I can stretch them forward (impossible if someone is sitting in front of you), so it's uncomfortable having people both on the side and in front.

Of course when it reaches the point where there are more passengers than seats, all places get taken.
People just ask, or stop and look at you and make a gesture. I don't understand what the problem with this is, it takes 0 effort to coordinate and this way you don't have to move the bag away every time somebody approaches in case they might want to sit there but might be scared to ask (basically no one).

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Old 04.05.2014, 21:11
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No, you didn't do it! Of course you didn't, did you???



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It's not the first, and I am sorry to say it won't be my last unpleasant experience here.

I boarded a train at Solothurn on a Saturday morning around 10 am. The platform was full of soldiers, and so we were all trying to find somewhere to sit down. Next to me was a slim middle aged woman holding her newspaper up, so I could not see her face, and with her legs across the spare empty seat.

I assessed the situation: she was intent on keeping the spare seat free. So I just sat down on her legs. She was furious! She was spitting the venomous German words out!

I bet she doesn't try that trick again!
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The thing about men sitting with legs wide open is due to gravity. I guess omen can't understand this because their pelvis has a different shape. I'd have to actively keep my muscles tensed to keep the legs straight forward, unless the seat is shaped to contain them (never on commuter trains) or I can stretch them forward (impossible if someone is sitting in front of you), so it's uncomfortable having people both on the side and in front.

Of course when it reaches the point where there are more passengers than seats, all places get taken.
People just ask, or stop and look at you and make a gesture. I don't understand what the problem with this is, it takes 0 effort to coordinate and this way you don't have to move the bag away every time somebody approaches in case they might want to sit there but might be scared to ask (basically no one).
Disclaimer: I'm a man. But I don't like contact with the lady seating next to me (regardless of attractiveness). Like almost anyone else, I'd rather have the seat next to me free.

While I know what you mean with the gravity and relaxing the leg muscles. This depends on how you position your feet.

For example if you position your feet slightly wider than hip width, toes point slightly inside, the legs will actually "fall inside" rather than outside. If you are sitting down right now try it.
I don't think it is to do with the pelvis shape (I may be wrong), possibly it is just that wearing skirts has "trained" women to know this and practice it?
No one reasonable is suggesting the men take the "knee touching" stance that ladies with short skirts (usually) adopt, that would indeed cramp up the genitals.

Some seats are just uncomfortable.

I agree that people that want to take the seat can just politely ask or sign towards it. As long as the person is not pretending (pretending to sleep or any other "dirty" tricks) I don't think people are right to complain about the bag, I agree that moving it every time someone passes just for the chance someone wants to take it is usually not the way to go.
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Old 04.05.2014, 23:03
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Re: Get your bag off my seat

I have found that the King Long busses here on Malta are designed for (let me put this delicatly) people of Chinese size. Honest to god, in the beginning I tried to fit in one of the two molded plastic seats in a row but there is simply not enough space but then I found that the slight rise between two seats will fit just nicely in the crack of my butt and that makes them very comfortable indeed, as in one seat per cheek, I get dirty looks in the morning when taking two seats in a full to the burst King Long and Slammer is just waiting for the first bugger to demand that I pay two tickets.
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Old 05.05.2014, 13:16
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Re: Get your bag off my seat

If it is busy and there are only a couple of 'free' seats, I always target the seat with the bag rather than the empty one. If there are two seats with bags I go for the window seat rather than isle. I mean, there must be something very special about these seats, or that person right?
I don't really ask, just pointed looks and hover.... sometimes if the offender is extreamly interested in their book/iPad/phone/navel, I will say excuse me (in whatever language) before I start to slowly sit down. Not managed to land on a bag yet though as strangely, they become hyper aware and fast as soon as a bottom is descending.
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Old 05.05.2014, 13:27
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The thing about men sitting with legs wide open is due to gravity. I guess omen can't understand this because their pelvis has a different shape. I'd have to actively keep my muscles tensed to keep the legs straight forward, unless the seat is shaped to contain them (never on commuter trains) or I can stretch them forward (impossible if someone is sitting in front of you), so it's uncomfortable having people both on the side and in front.
Aw, that is just too quaint! You think that women's knees just naturally fall together when they sit and we don't have to use our leg muscles to keep them there?
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Old 05.05.2014, 15:26
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Re: Get your bag off my seat

I was on a VERY full train at the weekend. After walking from one end of the carriage I got on in to the other (passing quite a few bags and seats on feet), I met a load of people coming in the opposite direction with still more people on the platform waiting to board the train. Seeing that every seat was going to be occupied I decided to just turn around and take the first available seat which of course had a bag on it. I asked the lady on the seat beside the bag if that seat was free and she, after first trying to ignore me, picked up the bag and moved on to that seat herself (inside seat beside a window). I then noticed that she had a small suitcase on the ground also but rather than move the suitcase to the small luggage compartment just opposite the two seats, she instead squeezed into the seat and spent the next 2 hours with her legs rubbing against mine!
I would have offered to move the bag for her but she was quite elderly and one of those people who clearly feels that she needs and is entitled to occupy two seats, even when the train is very full.
I know SBB inspectors are entitled to fine people who occupy more than one seat on packed trains but I've yet to see it happen.

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Interesting to see how "bags on seats" has migrated to "the biomechanics of nut dangling".
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You think that women's knees just naturally fall together
It's by no way naturally. It's more years of training to avoid surprise sexual intercourse.
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Re: Get your bag off my seat

I was on the tram on friday, it had been raining heavily all day and the floor was so wet I had to put my bag on the seat next to me. a woman came and asked me to remove my bag so she could sit down. I asked her why she had to sit next to me when the two seats opposite me and pretty well the whole carriage was empty. she screamed at me in swiss german - thankfully I had to leave the next stop so there was no chance of escalating the incident.
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Old 05.05.2014, 16:13
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I was on the tram on friday, it had been raining heavily all day and the floor was so wet I had to put my bag on the seat next to me. a woman came and asked me to remove my bag so she could sit down. I asked her why she had to sit next to me when the two seats opposite me and pretty well the whole carriage was empty. she screamed at me in swiss german - thankfully I had to leave the next stop so there was no chance of escalating the incident.
I would say you had a lucky escape. Never linger around a screamer.

Did she seriously do a proper scream, as in eardrum busting decibels?

I'd have had problems keeping a straight face and not saying, Michael Winner style, "Calm down, dear!"
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I would say you had a lucky escape. Never linger around a screamer.

Did she seriously do a proper scream, as in eardrum busting decibels?

I'd have had problems keeping a straight face and not saying, Michael Winner style, "Calm down, dear!"
haha, it was loud, fierce and direct so I just walked away which is good for me as I usually (foolishly) engage people like this
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I was on the tram on friday, it had been raining heavily all day and the floor was so wet I had to put my bag on the seat next to me. a woman came and asked me to remove my bag so she could sit down. I asked her why she had to sit next to me when the two seats opposite me and pretty well the whole carriage was empty. she screamed at me in swiss german - thankfully I had to leave the next stop so there was no chance of escalating the incident.
Sounds like she is one of those who deliberately sit on a bag-seat, even when others are free, just to make a point. A friend of a friend does exactly the same thing.
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Re: Get your bag off my seat

Well, what about the newer bendy buses in Zürich which have seats at the front which are crazily 1.5 person width?

Its just embarrassing all round. Sometimes the person occupying the seat is uncomfortable, not knowing if it is a seat for two or not. Sometimes the standing passengers have to decide. And totally worst of all, if two people actually try to sit on it. Although thats hilarious as well as embarrassing. What a weird seat!

What is the most common way in Swiss German to ask if a seat is free. Is it something like "Darf ich mal hier sitzen?"
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Well, what about the newer bendy buses in Zürich which have seats at the front which are crazily 1.5 person width?

Its just embarrassing all round. Sometimes the person occupying the seat is uncomfortable, not knowing if it is a seat for two or not. Sometimes the standing passengers have to decide. And totally worst of all, if two people actually try to sit on it. Although thats hilarious as well as embarrassing. What a weird seat!

What is the most common way in Swiss German to ask if a seat is free. Is it something like "Darf ich mal hier sitzen?"
Those seats are for one person only. They are for people with bags or small children. Ask if the seat is free by saying "Ist da noch frei?"
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Well, what about the newer bendy buses in Zürich which have seats at the front which are crazily 1.5 person width?

What is the most common way in Swiss German to ask if a seat is free. Is it something like "Darf ich mal hier sitzen?"
My skinny teenage son calls these Fat Bloke Seats, 2 of him or 1 of me or his dad can fit on them.

We say something along the lines of, "Ist dass noch frei?" and head directly for the seat, leaving only a tiny pause for reply/bag to be retrieved.

Some of the rudest I have seen were 2 English speaking women who occupied a set of 4 seats on our busy local tram, by plonking their chubby rear ends on the middle bits of the seats and then evenly distributing their ample amounts of shopping around them. They were black affronted when I asked them to move their bags, first in German and then loudly in English, and then wriggled in next to them. I got death stares and muttering all the way home. I must admit, normally when I ask Swiss people, there has been a reluctance to move the bag on occasion, but they don't usually give me evils for the rest of the journey, it's like they spun the wheel and lost the seat hogging game, c'est la vie.

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