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noipv4 14.06.2014 22:45

Swiss airways rip-off
 
How is it possible that tickets from Zurich are so expensive on SWISS vs booking the same flight from Milan, which then includes a short duration local flight from Milan to Zurich and connecting to the same flight (LX 146).

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AJames 14.06.2014 22:57

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Tell me about it !

Cairo-Zurich-Geneva-Zurich-Cairo is cheaper than just Cairo-Zurich-Cairo.

And Cairo-Zurich-London-Zurich-Cairo is even cheaper. Even though the flight distance and times are longer.

And cheaper still, even though it is further away, is Cairo-Zurich-Barcelona-Zurich-Cairo !!!

And all of the above is based on flying only with Swiss !!!

It's crazy !!!:eek:

Tasebo 14.06.2014 23:06

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If flying from London to Zürich w/Swiss, compare the fare to Basel, via Zürich. It is quite often significantly less and one can just skip the included train transfer either direction. Its the markets, not the distances:rolleyes:

FMX 14.06.2014 23:08

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It's not only Swiss - most airlines use a similar commercial calculation.

The most convenient (here direct flight) = the most expensive.

If you look the starting price from MXP and from ZRH in Business, it's quite close.

Island Monkey 14.06.2014 23:13

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I know that with-in the travel classes, airlines have different fares of ticket. Some some business class fares are more expensive than others on the same flight.

It could be that they have so many of the lower fares reserved for passengers just booking the Zürich flight (and those have sold out) and they still have some left for connecting passengers. Airline ticketing is a mystery.

What you can't do is book from Milan, and get on in Zürich!

jmf 14.06.2014 23:21

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But, you can do it the other way around, get off in Zürich, provided you only have hand luggage :p

Island Monkey 14.06.2014 23:24

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Originally Posted by jmf (Post 2177266)
But, you can do it the other way around, get off in Zürich, provided you only have hand luggage :p

Not many people travel to India with only hand luggage!

You would still probably have problems. The crew would have to check that you didn't have checked baggage…. that info is with the ground staff in Delhi. Then the paperwork would all have to be changed. It might sound easy, but trust me it's a headache, and the ground staff would likely just say no!

Bernet83 15.06.2014 00:22

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Swiss air can still afford such behaviors because there is almost no easy jet and others low cost in ZH/CH but one day...

Faltrad 15.06.2014 00:31

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Are you for or against free market economy?

P.S. I travelled for two weeks in japan with hand baggage only. It cost me half an hour extra questions by the custom police, but that's another story.

Wallabies 15.06.2014 00:42

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Higher costs for flying out of Zurich is a pure reflection of market conditions. Calling it a swiss rip is evidence of not understating how the market works

fatmanfilms 15.06.2014 01:11

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Originally Posted by Wallabies (Post 2177311)
Higher costs for flying out of Zurich is a pure reflection of market conditions. Calling it a swiss rip is evidence of not understating how the market works


I am flying from LHR to Zh on Swiss tomorrow as I need to be in Zurich tomorrow night , I could be in geneva for half price on Monday or a quarter price on Tuesday but then I loose 2 days pay so Swiss is the cheapest & I don't have a 3 hour train journey :D

Tasebo 15.06.2014 01:29

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I've usually found the best value on Swiss by the time I factor in time traveling to/from airport (Zürich vs Geneva/Basel) and most frequent destination London (prefer City) BUT compared to many other airlines (national-flag-carrier types or budget) what drives me :msnmad: with Swiss is not being able to book decently priced one-way fares.

Flying Zürich-Oslo I can book o/w at a price affordable for a mortal on SAS (even if it turns out to be a codeshare flight) SAS does not fly Zürich-London so the only reasonable options for o/w are BA or EJet.

fatmanfilms 15.06.2014 01:47

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Originally Posted by Tasebo (Post 2177322)
I've usually found the best value on Swiss by the time I factor in time traveling to/from airport (Zürich vs Geneva/Basel) and most frequent destination London (prefer City) BUT compared to many other airlines (national-flag-carrier types or budget) what drives me :msnmad: with Swiss is not being able to book decently priced one-way fares.



Flying Zürich-Oslo I can book o/w at a price affordable for a mortal on SAS (even if it turns out to be a codeshare flight) SAS does not fly Zürich-London so the only reasonable options for o/w are BA or EJet.


When I was first in CH 20 years ago I paid 500-800 CHF to fly ZH to London on Friday night returning on Sunday night. It's cheaper today .......

Island Monkey 15.06.2014 01:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasebo (Post 2177322)
I've usually found the best value on Swiss by the time I factor in time traveling to/from airport (Zürich vs Geneva/Basel) and most frequent destination London (prefer City) BUT compared to many other airlines (national-flag-carrier types or budget) what drives me :msnmad: with Swiss is not being able to book decently priced one-way fares.

Flying Zürich-Oslo I can book o/w at a price affordable for a mortal on SAS (even if it turns out to be a codeshare flight) SAS does not fly Zürich-London so the only reasonable options for o/w are BA or EJet.

Too true! I don't know why Swiss have such high one way fares!

Wallabies 15.06.2014 02:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Island Monkey (Post 2177329)
Too true! I don't know why Swiss have such high one way fares!

Simple answer! Becasue they want you to book a return, chances are a return ticket is cheaper which is a age old bisoness model

dodgyken 15.06.2014 02:08

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As this hasn't been discussed before and the comment hasn't been made before, I won't make it again.

Airlines will try to steal other airlines from their hubs by offering cheap through flights. IE Stealing KLM customers from Amsterdam, AF from Paris, BA from LHR, LH from MUN or FRA, Alitalia from Milan etc etc.

It is nothing new

(IIRC transferring passengers have lower tax costs too)

Island Monkey 15.06.2014 02:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallabies (Post 2177331)
Simple answer! Becasue they want you to book a return, chances are a return ticket is cheaper which is a age old bisoness model

Well I don't book a return…. I fly with someone else!

Captain Greybeard 15.06.2014 02:35

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Zurich -> Toronto -> Zurich can cost up to 40% more than Zurich -> Toronto -> Chicago -> Traverse City, MI -> Chicago -> Toronto -> Zurich, no matter what airline. And, as alluded by others, don't think it's easy to book the whole long trip if you just want to go to Toronto. You'll be in serious troubles when you show up in Toronto for your flight back.

If I remember that right, a few years ago a lady sued Swiss International Airlines. She had booked Zurich -> Paris -> Zurich, but for some reason she couldn't make it to the first flight. A few days later she traveled to Paris by train. At the end of her stay, as she checked in for the flight home, she was confronted with the bill for the higher cost of the one-way trip and not allowed to board the plane without immediate payment.

She won the case, and she got reimbursed, but the spokesperson for Swiss said that, although the airline would not appeal, they would stick to that practice in all other cases, just as any other airline.

baboon 15.06.2014 02:53

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Originally Posted by Wallabies (Post 2177331)
Simple answer! Becasue they want you to book a return, chances are a return ticket is cheaper which is a age old bisoness model

Wrong answer. It's because they assume those booking singles are business travellers who will pay whatever it takes. Used to be universal, there's not many that still do it now.

blackbird 15.06.2014 05:55

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Originally Posted by Captain Greybeard (Post 2177338)
Zurich -> Toronto -> Zurich can cost up to 40% more than Zurich -> Toronto -> Chicago -> Traverse City, MI -> Chicago -> Toronto -> Zurich, no matter what airline. And, as alluded by others, don't think it's easy to book the whole long trip if you just want to go to Toronto. You'll be in serious troubles when you show up in Toronto for your flight back.

If I remember that right, a few years ago a lady sued Swiss International Airlines. She had booked Zurich -> Paris -> Zurich, but for some reason she couldn't make it to the first flight. A few days later she traveled to Paris by train. At the end of her stay, as she checked in for the flight home, she was confronted with the bill for the higher cost of the one-way trip and not allowed to board the plane without immediate payment.

She won the case, and she got reimbursed, but the spokesperson for Swiss said that, although the airline would not appeal, they would stick to that practice in all other cases, just as any other airline.


In most cases when you use a restricted ticket and miss the first leg of it the whole ticket becomes invalid, so the airline will charge you the difference to an unristrickted ticket

Guest 15.06.2014 09:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tasebo (Post 2177256)
If flying from London to Zürich w/Swiss, compare the fare to Basel, via Zürich. It is quite often significantly less and one can just skip the included train transfer either direction. Its the markets, not the distances:rolleyes:

Have you done this, though?

Flying London-Zurich-Basel would work if you left the flight at the Zurich stopover, provided you told them to take off your bags (or just had cabin baggage) but the return flight to London wouldn't work because you'd have to check in at Basel airport, i.e. you can't join the flight at the Zurich stopover.

st2lemans 15.06.2014 09:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by noipv4 (Post 2177245)
How is it possible that tickets from Zurich are so expensive on SWISS vs bbooking the same flight from Milan, which then includes a short duration local flight from Milan to Zurich and connecting to the same flight (LX 146).

They only are if you are so stupid as to fly business class. :rolleyes:

Tom

Guest 15.06.2014 10:20

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2177390)
They only are if you are so stupid as to fly business class. :rolleyes:

Tom

Typical comment from somebody who can't afford it........get over it ! ;)

st2lemans 15.06.2014 11:07

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Typical comment from somebody who can't afford it........get over it ! ;)
It's not a question of affording it. :rolleyes:

Tom

jmf 15.06.2014 11:07

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On short haul flights I also don't really see the point of business class. But on long ones boy, those beds!...

vvn_riessa 15.06.2014 11:11

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This happens not only for Zurich sadly it also happens for some city of the US like Atlanta. Was going to Atlanta from Zurich a couple years back and my flight straight to Atlanta was expensive. So I try to just look around and found out that if I take the exact same flight to Atlanta plus another flight from Atlanta to Miami is way cheaper than the direct flight to Atlanta :confused:. So I took the flight to Miami via Atlanta, spend a little holiday there, then take a local flight from Miami to Atlanta. Still cheaper than the initial direct flight :msncool:

ullainga 15.06.2014 11:32

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Have you done this, though?

Flying London-Zurich-Basel would work if you left the flight at the Zurich stopover
In this particular case, the Zurich-Basel leg is by train.

mirfield 15.06.2014 11:43

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Have you done this, though?

Flying London-Zurich-Basel would work if you left the flight at the Zurich stopover, provided you told them to take off your bags (or just had cabin baggage) but the return flight to London wouldn't work because you'd have to check in at Basel airport, i.e. you can't join the flight at the Zurich stopover.
They're talking about where the BSL-ZRH section is by train. That'd work OK.

rob1 15.06.2014 11:45

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Have you done this, though?

Flying London-Zurich-Basel would work if you left the flight at the Zurich stopover, provided you told them to take off your bags (or just had cabin baggage) but the return flight to London wouldn't work because you'd have to check in at Basel airport, i.e. you can't join the flight at the Zurich stopover.
errr no as the basel zurich or zurich basel section is by train and doesnt involve a baggage check in unless you wish to pay extra for the privilege at basel sbb.

GV_GV 15.06.2014 11:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Faltrad (Post 2177306)
Are you for or against free market economy?

P.S. I travelled for two weeks in japan with hand baggage only. It cost me half an hour extra questions by the custom police, but that's another story.

I would not want to travel with you ;)

axman 15.06.2014 12:27

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Originally Posted by Island Monkey (Post 2177268)
Not many people travel to India with only hand luggage!

You would still probably have problems. The crew would have to check that you didn't have checked baggage…. that info is with the ground staff in Delhi. Then the paperwork would all have to be changed. It might sound easy, but trust me it's a headache, and the ground staff would likely just say no!

Actually, no, I've done it a few times, check-in for one leg only and then discarding the final leg. Just told the checkin agent that I would be taking my bag out in ZRH, or SIN or KUL whatever, and all ok. I traveled around a lot for work and sometimes buy combinations of one way or return tickets, and when plans change sometimes it is cheaper to buy new tickets than changing or canceling old ones.

But once you miss one leg of the journey, your while ticket gets cancelled.

Island Monkey 15.06.2014 12:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2177424)
It's not a question of affording it. :rolleyes:

Tom

On long haul… I'd take business every time if I could afford it!

IPBlocked 15.06.2014 13:15

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Originally Posted by Island Monkey (Post 2177466)
On long haul… I'd take business every time if I could afford it!

Yes, but not in Swiss business unless all the other options were sold out. It's wildly over-rated.

Samaire13 15.06.2014 13:37

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Originally Posted by Island Monkey (Post 2177466)
On long haul… I'd take business every time if I could afford it!

yeah on long-haul I agree, but short-haul? :confused: It's not even "real" business class on short-haul and even if it were, it's hardly worth paying some 2000€ for a 1-hr flight? Seriously, even if I had three times as much money as I do now, I don't think I would pay that.

Murloc 15.06.2014 16:19

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I'd love to travel on business in overnight flights, those lie-flat beds do look comfy (only applies to certain airlines).
It's totally not worth it on flights during the day though.


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