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the bottom of the dining room set. The woman (who lives upstairs), sounds as if she sits on a chair and pounds her feet on the floor in response to any sound we make. I know that noise is subjective, but I really don't think we are more noisy than any other family. We are seriously considering moving.
I'd complain to the landlord about the woman's feet-stomping (I'm serious) - that'll make it stop right away. I'd also ask the landlord to clarify to that lady that you're allowed to make any amount of noise during the day between 6 and 12 and 1 p.m. to 10 p.m. and that it's not acceptable for her to constantly complain. I'm pretty sure the landlord will be on your side in this respect.

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Currently have noisy upstairs neighbours. Had a problem when we first moved in as one of them played the drums. yep drums above your head 4 or 5 times day great! spoke to our landlord a couple of times and this has stopped. now they are just stomping around , playing music too loud and slamming doors and windows. probably best to speak to the landlord again but seriously thinking of doing a major late hour retaliation. What would the police be able to do? Seriously what powers do they have on noise disturbance? will move out in 3 months as its too noisy in the morning with loads of traffic going right past our bedroom window.
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What would the police be able to do? Seriously what powers do they have on noise disturbance? will move out in 3 months as its too noisy in the morning with loads of traffic going right past our bedroom window.
Do they make noise after 10 p.m.? If not, there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. If they're overly noisy after 10 p.m. the police will come by and tell them to stop. The second time they have to come by, they can fine them.


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Do they make noise after 10 p.m.? If not, there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. If they're overly noisy after 10 p.m. the police will come by and tell them to stop. The second time they have to come by, they can fine them.


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Hello thanks for your reply. The times they played the drums were all before 10pm so why did they stop if they were within their rights to make any noise? In England they have the environmental health services to deal with noise issues and can act on disturbances at any time of the day. I guess the Swiss must have some sort of equivalent. Any idea of the amount the police would fine someone? I do not want to try realiating at early hours but it is so tempting.
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Hello thanks for your reply. The times they played the drums were all before 10pm so why did they stop if they were within their rights to make any noise? I guess the Swiss must have some sort of equivalent. Any idea of the amount the police would fine someone? I do not want to try realiating at early hours but it is so tempting.
I don't know why they stopped. Oftentimes, playing instruments needs to be signed off by the landlord (check your contract and/or Hausordnung) - or perhaps they were just scared off by the landlord's calling them.

But as I said - as long as they don't make noise during the resting periods, they're allowed to do so.
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I don't know why they stopped. Oftentimes, playing instruments needs to be signed off by the landlord (check your contract and/or Hausordnung) - or perhaps they were just scared off by the landlord's calling them.

But as I said - as long as they don't make noise during the resting periods, they're allowed to do so.
thanks for your reply. in a way it doesn't matter why they stopped just that they did. maybe they are trying to be considerate. anyway does anyone know if there is an equivalent of environmental health in Switzerland. I simply cannot imagine that even in the day anyone can make any level of noise and no one can do anything about it. Seems a big gap for a civilized society. I suppose it maybe a case of taking out a personal lawsuit against the culprits
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...or maybe they were just being considerate. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Speaking as a musician of negligable talent, less is more

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Oftentimes, playing instruments needs to be signed off by the landlord (check your contract and/or Hausordnung) - or perhaps they were just scared off by the landlord's calling them.
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The woman (who lives upstairs), sounds as if she sits on a chair and pounds her feet on the floor in response to any sound we make. I know that noise is subjective, but I really don't think we are more noisy than any other family. We are seriously considering moving.
You may be making more noise than you realise. Typically you will get more noise from above than below. Put it this way have you heard of anyone complaining about people walking araound in apartments below them? Depends on lots of factors though construction and building materials I think are the main ones.
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thanks for your reply. in a way it doesn't matter why they stopped just that they did. maybe they are trying to be considerate. anyway does anyone know if there is an equivalent of environmental health in Switzerland. I simply cannot imagine that even in the day anyone can make any level of noise and no one can do anything about it.
I tried to find that out because I put an air-conditioning unit on our balcony. There are noise-protection laws, of course - but the maximum noise level allowed during the day (and that's the level of noise you hear in your apartment, not the noise the drum makes if measured directly next to it) is 60 decibel. During the night and during resting periods (usually from 12 p.m. to 1 p.m. and from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m.) it's 55. If you live in a mixed business and living area, the limits are even higher.

If you think what you hear is louder than 60 decibel, you might want to get that measured (by a certified company) - only then you can take legal action.

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Re: How to deal with Noisy neighbours

When I lived in Niederglatt I had really noisy neighbors above me. They'd scream and fight many a night. One night it was extra loud, it really made my stomach churn. I found it strange that it seemed louder from the direction of my balcony so I went out. I kid you not, the women was hanging more than half way over the balcony above and the feller was really trying to get her further. I did ring the police that night.It was peaceful for quite a while after as he was committed to the local psychiatric unit.
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When I lived in Niederglatt I had really noisy neighbors above me. They'd scream and fight many a night. One night it was extra loud, it really made my stomach churn. I found it strange that it seemed louder from the direction of my balcony so I went out. I kid you not, the women was hanging more than half way over the balcony above and the feller was really trying to get her further. I did ring the police that night.It was peaceful for quite a while after as he was committed to the local psychiatric unit.
Something very similar happened to me in my first flat share in Kleinbasel - the couple who lived below us were constantly fighting, day and night. One weekend I was in the apartment alone and I started hearing ceramics etc. getting thrown around in that apartment. As the screaming increased and after the guy shouted "leg das Messer weg" (put down the knife) I decided to call the police. They showed up in full protection gear and arrested the guy - I didn't see him for several weeks. The bad thing was that as far as I could tell it was the woman who threatened him, not vice versa. He was really tall, strong and he was black - I guess that was enough for the police to decide who was the culprit. The woman incidentally was white.

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I tried to find that out because I put an air-conditioning unit on our balcony. There are noise-protection laws, of course - but the maximum noise level allowed during the day (and that's the level of noise you hear in your apartment, not the noise the drum makes if measured directly next to it) is 60 decibel. During the night and during resting periods (usually from 12 p.m. to 1 p.m. and from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m.) it's 55. If you live in a mixed business and living area, the limits are even higher.

If you think what you hear is louder than 60 decibel, you might want to get that measured (by a certified company) - only then you can take legal action.

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ps: you find more info here: http://www.geschichteinchronologie.c...urch-Laerm.htm
thanks for finding that out. It's interesting that here in CH it's quantifiable whereas in England it is subjective. Works both ways I suppose. I can imagine some loonies delibarately winding people up by making low level noises. To be honest I think my neighbours are just being spiteful becuase we dared to complain about the drumkit (i assume it was a drumkit and not some sort of recording) and so are making more noise than normal doing everyday activities. A short while ago I was blanked when saying bonjour to them. The friendly Swiss eh?At this moment of typing trying not to get annoyed as above me it sounds as if they are moving furniture around or dropping medicine balls on the floor! Probably have to speak to the landlord again
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When I lived in Niederglatt I had really noisy neighbors above me. They'd scream and fight many a night. One night it was extra loud, it really made my stomach churn. I found it strange that it seemed louder from the direction of my balcony so I went out. I kid you not, the women was hanging more than half way over the balcony above and the feller was really trying to get her further. I did ring the police that night.It was peaceful for quite a while after as he was committed to the local psychiatric unit.
Sheesh must have been scary. I used to live next door to someone in England who got a bit crazy after his partner/girlfriend left and took their kids with them. Understandable to go abit off the rails. But starting to play Elvis songs at 1030pm so loud that everything on our joining wall vibrated. Great. Then getting verbally threatened after daring to confront him about it. Then things went downhill from that...
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...or maybe they were just being considerate. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Speaking as a musician of negligable talent, less is more

dave
Perfectly true. strange but in some ways i think you are right about the consideration. I have a couple of contradictory examples though.

My daughter who is nearly 3 so at the age where she is exploring everything dangerous or not. One evening she decided it was a good idea to poke her fingers into a cd player (this is an assumption as she was near the thing at the time, kids always seem to catch you out in the split seconds you take your eyes off them!) My daughter starting to cry and scream really loud. At the time we thought she may have got electrocuted as she was convulsing , this triggered my wife off and so it got pretty loud. So what did upstairs do? Start banging around and playing music. There was a ring on our doorbell too but no-one there when I answered it! With help from relatives who quickly popped round. It took quite a bit of time to get wife and daughter calmed down and thankfully no one was hurt.Following morning nothing mentioned, no knock at the door or enquiry. In England I would have fully expected a "What the f.. happened last night, everyone ok? type of conversation" Not a word.

Second one. My daughter again slepping okay then wakes up at around midnight starts to climp up and stand on her bed falls and my wife catches her by the arm. My daughter starts to sib and cry loudly on and off for nearly 4 hours. We couldn't see any physical damage but my daughter has never been a long crier (loud but not for ver short periods thankfully) Got quite scared as she would not calm down for more than a few minutes so
we took her to the nearest hospital. obviously we had to get changed get into our car and at 4 in the morning it must have been quite loud. Didn't hear anything from upstairs and again not a word said and no one popped around. I actually felt sorry for them on this occasion. maybe because there was no noise from them. Daughter was checked at hospital and found to be okay and they suspected that the catch by the arm wrenched a muscle or dislocated her shoulder and it righted itself. Typically the nurse and doctor were patronizing, is it in their training? P...d off my wife as she was speaking to them in French and struggling to get across what happened and after about 10 minutes the doctor started to speak almost perfect English as if holding deliberately back.

Do the neighbour actions make any sense to people? . I think the first incident response was one of the teenage sons having a strop and not understanding that kids in pain will scream a house down. I think it's a communication thing, I would like to find out how much noise they can hear from us and also get across how much we are receiving from them. But when they do not respond to a simple bonjour then I guess its an uphill struggle. It might have been better to start a new thread on this.
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Old 24.06.2008, 22:12
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I had no choice but to move...

A while back I had moved into a building which I was told was quiet. Well, I could even hear the vegetables being chopped through the thin walls. The neighbours were a nightmare. Every night heavy metal music blasted at full volume pounding, literally shaking the walls and their screaming fights were ongoing. Their apt was a duplex and forced to hear them from above and next door made things even more terrible. Indescribable really to explain how from morning to night I did not have one minute of peace and quiet.

My only recourse was to move, which I did.

Before I moved in the agent had reassured me that the construction was sound, and that the neighbours were quiet... When I returned the keys to her she was showing a prospective tenant the apt. Knowing full well what I had endured for those months she actually told this person that noise was not a problem.
Thanks for your input. The agents are shameless aren't they. Having nearly the same experience I know its mentally and physically draining I will post a new thread related to this
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Is there another way here ? I checked the rules for the place i'm in 22 - 6 is Nachtruhe but my neighbours aren't specifically breaking the rules that are there. However, having 1 guy below me getting up at 5-5.30 and another going to bed at 12-3am doesn't leave me much sleeping time . I've been hear 5 weeks and it was only on monday that i was woken up by my alarm clock for the first time and not the neighbours. (alarm clock is set to 6.30).

I am wondering if there is any legal case against the landlord? to my mind he's renting out a building as a Wohnung when its not suitable for that purpose. Its not habitable by the number of families that he's put in there. I suppose those that winning wouldn't make a change that would help . Best to move.

I feel so bad for my wife & child - they're not even here yet and they'll have to go through all the hassles of packing and moving just to come here and not even get a good nights sleep! Crazy.

i'm even thinking of sleeping on the balcony to see if its quieter....
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Is there another way here ? I checked the rules for the place i'm in 22 - 6 is Nachtruhe but my neighbours aren't specifically breaking the rules that are there. However, having 1 guy below me getting up at 5-5.30 and another going to bed at 12-3am doesn't leave me much sleeping time . I've been hear 5 weeks and it was only on monday that i was woken up by my alarm clock for the first time and not the neighbours. (alarm clock is set to 6.30).

I am wondering if there is any legal case against the landlord? to my mind he's renting out a building as a Wohnung when its not suitable for that purpose. Its not habitable by the number of families that he's put in there. I suppose those that winning wouldn't make a change that would help . Best to move.

I feel so bad for my wife & child - they're not even here yet and they'll have to go through all the hassles of packing and moving just to come here and not even get a good nights sleep! Crazy.

i'm even thinking of sleeping on the balcony to see if its quieter....
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Is there another way here ? I checked the rules for the place i'm in 22 - 6 is Nachtruhe but my neighbours aren't specifically breaking the rules that are there. However, having 1 guy below me getting up at 5-5.30 and another going to bed at 12-3am doesn't leave me much sleeping time . I've been hear 5 weeks and it was only on monday that i was woken up by my alarm clock for the first time and not the neighbours. (alarm clock is set to 6.30).

I am wondering if there is any legal case against the landlord? to my mind he's renting out a building as a Wohnung when its not suitable for that purpose. Its not habitable by the number of families that he's put in there. I suppose those that winning wouldn't make a change that would help . Best to move.

I feel so bad for my wife & child - they're not even here yet and they'll have to go through all the hassles of packing and moving just to come here and not even get a good nights sleep! Crazy.

i'm even thinking of sleeping on the balcony to see if its quieter....
I feel for you really as I've been it a very similar situation for 4 months before coming here to Switzerland. mentally and physically tiring. If you are working it maybe wise to inform your employers of the situation. I was getting very short tempered, nearly fell asleep at my desk and hallucinated a bit (kept hearing music when there was clearly nowhere it could come from and vision affected) I let my employer know and they were very sympathetic, it helps to get it off your chest to someone too. Try not to let affect your relationship with wife and child. I am ashamed to say that for me i ended up taking too much out on my wife. Very stressful time. My advice do your best to move out asap. If you have got the money see if you can rent somewhere else. you and your familys health is the most important thing. good luck
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We have those neighbours in Norway as well. It's bloody kids yelling and shouting their ears off all night long.
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Re: How to deal with Noisy neighbours

I am sorry to hear that you all had to go through noisy neighbours. Come on do not be so super sensitive. I now live next to a road and there is noise whole night long and I have to sleep with closed windows even when it is extremely hot. Worst is even with closed windows I can still hear the noises but now I used to it. First 2 days could not sleep, after a week I could sleep but frequently the sleep was broken. Now, I am so used to the traffic noise that I might not be able to sleep without lullaby from traffic sounds .

I think some people also have extra sensitive ear or may be just jealous that they cannot make 'such' noises .

Some people have special gifted ear. I still remember one time a neighbour 4 storey below came and knocked door to complain about the noises and she was saying we were disturbing her sleep. How the hell can she hear us 4-storey down when we were just chatting (not shouting, singing or dancing). We thought that she was just sleepless and trying every door to find out who was awake so that she can go in can complain. Some people like to complain! May be that makes them feel superior.
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