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Old 08.11.2014, 15:46
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Re: Switzerland: The most BORING place. WARNING: Long complaining rant...

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Nobody likes to be criticised by outsiders. Criticism has to come from within.

I think that's the same in most cultures.
I agree. Yet, if we are still talking about the OP, how was anything of that criticism? Non traditional aggressive response here. Pure question.
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Old 08.11.2014, 15:53
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I agree. Yet, if we are still talking about the OP, how was anything of that criticism? Non traditional aggressive response here. Pure question.
Well, BORING could be considered a criticism...
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Old 08.11.2014, 16:01
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I agree. Yet, if we are still talking about the OP, how was anything of that criticism? Non traditional aggressive response here. Pure question.
She got 14 groans for expressing her views on Switzerland.
To me she seems like a person who really tried to feel at home here, but for some reason she failed, and now is very unhappy.
At least she knew (from her point of view of course) what she was talking about. It wasn't like making a compilation of EF posts and then decide her life based on it...
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Well, BORING could be considered a criticism...
Maybe I have lost my understanding of English. But boring is based on personal opinion. She made a ton of generalizations that gave me the impression she really isn't involved here. But I don't know the OP, so I can't make that pure of a judgment.


I don't find it boring here at all. But I figure the OP and I are in different economical and social classes. Anyone that brings up chocolate and watches in the reasoning of why they find it boring here, I feel doesn't really know much at all about the place.

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She got 14 groans for expressing her views on Switzerland.
To me she seems like a person who really tried to feel at home here, but for some reason she failed, and now is very unhappy.
At least she knew (from her point of view of course) what she was talking about. It wasn't like making a compilation of EF posts and then decide her life based on it...
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Because she made generalizations? I don't think so. I make generalizations as much as the next fellow, but, normally it is tongue in Cheek. I still do not understand why people are still generalizing so much. If she had met thousands and thousands of people here sure. But, none of us have. I did not groan her cause she complained, rather the content I object to. She complained, she also got 50 or so thanks. I have the right to disagree as much as she does to rant.

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Old 08.11.2014, 16:14
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Criticism has to come from within.
I liked the other message better, even despite the high sugar content
The criticism from within would be a collective introspection. It does happen, but I have no recollection of it in Switzerland in the almost 25 years I've known the country. Same for France, btw. - so you were right that it's not really culture specific.
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Re: Switzerland: The most BORING place. WARNING: Long complaining rant...

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Nobody likes to be criticised by outsiders. Criticism has to come from within.

I think that's the same in most cultures.
Well, that little Englander argument validates the OP's criticism in one fell swoop . The most objective criticism always comes from people who are 'outsiders' in one way or another for obvious reasons.

I've been reading this thread with great interest. The most constructive replies have come from those who understand, and possibly agree with, some of the points the OP was making. I think anyone who has come here as a foreigner will recognise the truth of some of her remarks.

The most dispiriting aspect to me, as a newbie, has been the knee-jerk criticism she's received from a handful of posters - a couple with nearly 30,000 posts between them.
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Old 08.11.2014, 16:51
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Well, that little Englander argument validates the OP's criticism in one fell swoop . The most objective criticism always comes from people who are 'outsiders' in one way or another for obvious reasons.

I've been reading this thread with great interest. The most constructive replies have come from those who understand, and possibly agree with, some of the points the OP was making. I think anyone who has come here as a foreigner will recognise the truth of some of her remarks.

The most dispiriting aspect to me, as a newbie, has been the knee-jerk criticism she's received from a handful of posters - a couple with nearly 30,000 posts between them.
Thanks heavens I'm not in the frame!
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Old 08.11.2014, 17:08
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Re: Switzerland: The most BORING place. WARNING: Long complaining rant...

I wonder when exactly did the OP find out that she is married to a rich soulless person?
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Old 08.11.2014, 17:28
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Nobody likes to be criticised by outsiders. Criticism has to come from within.

I think that's the same in most cultures.
Most people don't like to be criticised. But valid criticism should come from everywhere.

Enlightened organisations value criticism as a way to improve. Particularly external criticism which can give a different perspective.
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Old 08.11.2014, 17:51
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Re: Switzerland: The most BORING place. WARNING: Long complaining rant...

I do sympathize with your unhappiness at your situation. And why shouldn't you be able to let loose with a rant, just to ease some of your frustration? I thought your description of your feelings looking at Lake Zurich were quite poetic:
"Just looking out of the window at that bloody great big grey lake fills me with a kind of hopeless, dreary loathing." That really gets across how you feel.

You've obviously given some thought to the Swiss culture in order to have come up with your many theories. But I have to agree with those who've objected to the generalizations. You could have made a much stronger point without what I have to say are some rather cheap shots. Nonetheless, I hope you and your husband come up with some solution before your unhappiness and bitterness destroy your relationship. You are in this together, are you not? The best way to deal with your intense disappointment is for you and your partner to come to some agreement that you can both live with.

There are a couple of statements in your rant that I would like to take issue with. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a die hard Switzerland fan. But any culture deserves to be treated with respect. Especially if your are living on their turf.

Here's your comment about how the Swiss lack humor:

"And it does take a long time for them to crack a smile at any joke (just forget any english wordpuns). I tell my husband often how I miss a good laugh."

Are you out of your flippin' mind? You make puns with people whose native language is not English (oh, and on their territory) and then you have the chutzpah to complain that they don't laugh? What planet are you from?

Just one more thing.
"Mountains, lakes, winter sports blah blah blah - you know what? THERE ARE MOUNTAINS AND LAKES ALL OVER THE WORLD. This does not make a "paradise", as many Swiss seem to believe. I don't know how people can claim theirs is the best country in the world when they've had no experience living in other countries (much less got out of their little Swiss valley) to make such a comparison."

It is of course true that there are mountains and lakes all over the world. However, what many of us appreciate about Switzerland is that you can hop on a train or bus and be in those mountains in minutes. No hassles, no need to reserve months in advance. Want to spend some time in the gorgeous Canadian resort of Banff? Well, you'd better be prepared to reserve your spot at least a year in advance. For the really choice spots, two years.
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Old 08.11.2014, 18:31
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Most people don't like to be criticised. But valid criticism should come from everywhere.

Enlightened organisations value criticism as a way to improve. Particularly external criticism which can give a different perspective.
OK, let me put it another way: name a country in the world where you could sit on the train or bus and slag the country off and not expect one of your neighbours to take exception to it.
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Old 08.11.2014, 18:49
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OK, let me put it another way: name a country in the world where you could sit on the train or bus and slag the country off and not expect one of your neighbours to take exception to it.
The United Kingdom. Have you ever been on a British train? You certainly couldn't eavesdrop a conversation opposite, because of the awful noise.

Quite apart from that, we Brits are happy to laugh at ourselves, and at foreigners, and I don't believe that we're a touchy lot.
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Old 08.11.2014, 18:57
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Quite apart from that, we Brits are happy to laugh at ourselves, and at foreigners, and I don't believe that we're a touchy lot.
I disagree. We like to believe that we're open to criticism and able to laugh at ourselves, but it only really works if the source of the jokes or comments is one of us.

The reality is that Brits are as touchy as anyone else when it comes to national pride.
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Old 08.11.2014, 19:07
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The reality is that Brits are as touchy as anyone else when it comes to national pride.
How dare you say such a thing!
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Old 08.11.2014, 19:24
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OK, let me put it another way: name a country in the world where you could sit on the train or bus and slag the country off and not expect one of your neighbours to take exception to it.
My wife will do so freely, and not care.

But she's a real Swiss, not a paper one like me.

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Old 08.11.2014, 19:47
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OK, let me put it another way: name a country in the world where you could sit on the train or bus and slag the country off and not expect one of your neighbours to take exception to it.
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I disagree. We like to believe that we're open to criticism and able to laugh at ourselves, but it only really works if the source of the jokes or comments is one of us.

The reality is that Brits are as touchy as anyone else when it comes to national pride.
Bollocks. Utter bollocks. I'm a Brit and I couldn't give a toss what anybody says negatively about the island of monkeys. In fact I often find that I'm in agreement when a criticism is levelled against Britain.
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Bollocks. Utter bollocks. I'm a Brit and I couldn't give a toss what anybody says negatively about the island of monkeys. In fact I often find that I'm in agreement when a criticism is levelled against Britain.
And you're, er, how many Brits, exactly?
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We get it, you are miserable and depressed with your own life, but please bear in mind that many of us LOVE this country, have an AMAZING quality of life, AWESOME friends, and wouldn't want to live anywhere else. Speak to your husband and if necessary get some counselling, it seems that you (and the occasional other in the thread) may need it.

I think, she is a fraud (mind the date of the post here - 6 years ago!!: http://www.justlanded.com/deutsch/Sc...e-still-boring)
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Re: Switzerland: The most BORING place. WARNING: Long complaining rant...

If there is a country which allows people to burn its national flag and to insult its values, it's Switzerland. One doesn't have to try Afghanistan to discover that Switzerland, after all, is an easy country. Problem is that Americans - like Germans, but those 2 categories are +- the same, both germanic folks with the only difference that Germans are romanized in usi e costumi - are sometimes very difficult persons (and yes, Faltrad, the reason why Swiss have difficulties with Germans is that the Swiss don't expect someone so similar and with quite no language barrior being so difficult in comprehension, btw. same kind of problem with some Italians in Ticino). Of course a newbie to a country has to make the step to "discover" people of a place and their culture, which in the beginning might not be that easy, depending on many factors. But who told you that the few persons one has been hanging around with make a good sample of all a population? There are millions out there OP is judging without knowing them even. And of course hubbie hasn't done his duty on that issue, Odile was right, as he didn't expect Switzerland to be at least initially difficult for an Anglo-Saxon, who culturally spoken in the eyes of a Continental European is a monkey, coming right out of Fingal's cavern.

Btw. how come one thinks to be always aware of a person's nationality, even before opening the mouth? Why do people think they know exactly of which nationality is a person who has offended him? I normally don't tell everybody I encounter what nationality I have (why should I?), and to those who say 'Might be the fashion style' or pronunciation one is recognized from, I reply: Go look somewhere you don't have to speak a lot and you have to wear sport suits or whatever, do Judo e.g., and you see if it is your stereotype or theirs, if it's your ingroup-outgroup Thing or not.
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