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Old 07.11.2014, 12:23
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Re: Switzerland: The most BORING place. WARNING: Long complaining rant...

I've been trying to write a sensible response to the OP for the past twenty minutes, but I can't. There's just so much bilge, so much bile, so much pointless whinging that I have no idea where to start. Do people really move to Switzerland expecting it to be a warm, welcoming Alpine paradise of crisp snow, friendly cows and glitzy handbag shops?


I don't know if I've mentioned it before, but my wife and I live in Glarnerland. If you look up, it's one of the most beautiful places you can imagine. If you look down, it's a grubby, post-industrial backwater. We both absolutely adore it, whichever direction we look. The people round here are friendly and down to earth with a wickedly deadpan sense of humour. They're just like Yam Yams, but Swiss! These cold, soulless, rich people I keep reading about on EF simply don't exist down here.


Some of them are probably racist or xenophobic, but that's hardly unique in Europe or North America. Some of them are probably suspicious of outsiders, but, again, that's no different to most other places in the world.


Switzerland is not Canada. It is not the United States. It is not the United Kingdom. Expecting the people of another country to conform to the cultural expectations of a tiny subset of the population of an entirely different country is absurd. It's funny how the people who boast most about their "tolerance" and "open-mindedness" can't handle the fact that some people in Switzerland see the world in a different way to their chums back in Toronto or Los Angeles or London. Are we only prepared to tolerate cultures with values identical to our own? Doesn't sound very open to me.


I understand that many people don't have the option to leave Switzerland, so it's a bit insensitive to suggest that "if you don't like it, go home", but you can't expect to ever be happy in a place if you hate it. If you can't leave, learn to love it. Get out of the big cities. Enjoy the good stuff this country has got to offer. Shake off the bad stuff. I don't like the city of Zurich very much so - guess what? - I almost never go there! Easy. I found the Gold Coast to be a rather depressing place so - guess what? - I moved to somewhere less dreadful.


Nobody else can live your life for you. You can't expect to be happy all - or even most - of the time (I'm not from North America - can you tell? ). But there's no point being miserable all the time, either.


Switzerland has tons to offer, if only you open your eyes to see it. And the Swiss? Well, they're just people. Ever tried changing people?


Good luck!
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I don't know if I've mentioned it before, but my wife and I live in Glarnerland.
Not in the last fifty minutes, no.
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Old 07.11.2014, 12:30
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I don't know if I've mentioned it before, but my wife and I live in Glarnerland.
That's like st2lemans asking if he ever mentioned living in Ticino...

Ah, I see Faltrad was quicker.
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Old 07.11.2014, 12:54
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Anyone who finds Switzerland boring has never been to Ohio.

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Delaware county is nice though. The rest of the State not really.

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Re: Switzerland: The most BORING place. WARNING: Long complaining rant...

I'm rather disappointed that she didn't mention that Swiss can't get cigarette butts into the ashtrays on the train platforms.

Are we starting a pool on how much long she'll last here?
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Old 07.11.2014, 13:31
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Re: Switzerland: The most BORING place. WARNING: Long complaining rant...

I sometimes think of the place as one massive, very diverse city of 8 million.

It does help
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Old 07.11.2014, 13:33
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Re: Switzerland: The most BORING place. WARNING: Long complaining rant...

When do we let her in on the secret of wearing red shoes?
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Old 07.11.2014, 13:37
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When do we let her in on the secret of wearing red shoes?
Following the Swiss author Dürrenmatt, I'd rather say yellow shoes.




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Old 07.11.2014, 13:46
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Re: Switzerland: The most BORING place. WARNING: Long complaining rant...

When I meet new foreigners, I often ask them; did they come here for love or for the money, as I have never met anyone that came here for the mountains or the chocolate.

My advice is to move away from the richer parts of Switzerland, these people are very insular.

Why not start an English speaking club in your area? We have one here, it is about 15 years old & is attended by about half English speakers and half Swiss. We meet every 2 weeks, and enjoy each others company. We have several teachers, engineers, farmers, nurses, a diplomat, all sorts really, but we have a common wish to speak English socially.
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When I meet new foreigners, I often ask them; did they come here for love or for the money, as I have never met anyone that came here for the mountains or the chocolate.
You've met my OH many times and he defo came here for the mountains, the chocolate, cheese and skiing.... and NOT for money (it was indeed a very expensive move due to exchange rates falling dramatically).
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Re: Switzerland: The most BORING place. WARNING: Long complaining rant...

I haven't waded through all the pages, but it seems to me the person you should be discussing your unhappiness with is your husband. Truly discuss it, not just the occasional offhand comment. If it is truly this bad for you then you need a frank discussion about where your future life together lies - or even if it is going to be together because if you don't sort this out then the marriage will end up on the rocks eventually.
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Old 07.11.2014, 14:45
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I've been to Canada, it's BORING.
Canada is a bit too big to be boring.

We have misogyny (Look up "highway of tears")

... And we have parental leave for both parents (male or female)
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Old 07.11.2014, 14:56
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Re: Switzerland: The most BORING place. WARNING: Long complaining rant...

If:
current home = where you hang your hat
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current home = boring
then:
hat hanging = boring.

Point it...life is what you make of it. I too was affected by my perception of what was boring and what was 'different' for the first 1.5 years here. Then I took some local language courses and learned VERY VERY quickly that it was myself that needed the re-alignment.

One needs to accept that those who are perceived as boring are not you. Perhaps it is that this 'island' culture we live in causes people to have utterly satisfying home lives and that is why there is little need to be 'exciting'. who knows...just a theory.

I for one am no more bored or stimulated than anywhere else I've ever lived or visited. Each place is different and has its own values and faults. the trick is how to re-balance those things to create a new reality. Or at least a reality that is at least tolerable.

Oddly...some of my SWISS friends thought I was boring. But...that was just a matter of not being able to be fully express myself clearly in either their or my mother tongue. A non-native english speaker may be able to speak english..but it does not mean they can express themselves in it.
The opposite is true too. Again...finding the exact rift that sets one apart from their current surroundings is key. Solve this and I think you solve the boredom issue too.
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Old 07.11.2014, 15:12
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Canada is a bit too big to be boring.

We have misogyny (Look up "highway of tears")

... And we have parental leave for both parents (male or female)
and moose beer
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Old 07.11.2014, 15:23
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@zombieswiss

I'm sorry for your distress. Your integration would be a lot easier if you learn German / Swiss German. It usually takes 2 years to achieve German fluency.

Notice that you are not the first Anglophone finding it difficult to integrate into Swiss society. Take your time, make new Swiss friends. Please do not trash us. Swiss bashing will make things worse for you. We have ca. 20% foreigners in Switzerland. Some integrate very well, others don't.

See the attached document. This is an internal document from our Zurich, Lugano and Geneva based Trust company. You will see that you are not alone. Wishing you all the best.


I literally LoLd reading about those perceived as loudmouthed, bigmouthed and socialistic...
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Old 07.11.2014, 15:25
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The reason foreigners come here is for economic reasons (or because they are refugees of war & strife) - nothing to do with the so-called 'quality of life'.

I came here for family and work, but honestly, I was happier being poor and and selfish, living well away from this self-important little country. The worst thing is, I don't even feel guilty writing all these nasty things - that's what the dullness of Swiss life does to you: it turns you into a raving, mad person who writes horrible things on the internet.
You're in a bubble.
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Old 07.11.2014, 15:31
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Re: Switzerland: The most BORING place. WARNING: Long complaining rant...

Despite the fact that I don't agree with all (or perhaps even most) of the OP's sentiments toward CH, I do think that he/she should have every "right" to openly express negative feelings about CH and the Swiss here on the English Forum.

Simply because some of us have found paradise here in CH doesn't mean that everyone else will or should be expected to have similar experiences. And despite the OP's (perhaps naive) generalizations, I think it's natural that we all experience life here differently... particularly when you consider that we all originated from different parts of the world and reality is a state of constant relativity.

So, to the OP... I can only hope that, in time, your feelings about CH and the Swiss will change. Mine certainly have. I went through a long period of homesickness and culture-shock when I first moved here, and those feelings quickly mutated into resentment (because I felt trapped here). But thankfully, those feelings eventually changed for the better. And while I do still have a bit of a love-hate relationship for CH, I have come to feel that the benefits (e.g. low crime rate, etc.) of living here definitely outweigh the negatives.

I doubt that a true utopia exists anywhere. We cannot always change our surroundings, but sometimes more often than we realize, we do have the power to change our perspectives.

If CH is boring for you, then try to search inward and find something stimulating to focus on and direct all that energy into... like taking up a new hobby such as painting or writing a novel.

I hope you will find contentment here soon...
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I think we should have a whip-round and get the poor girl a ticket home.
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When I meet new foreigners, I often ask them; did they come here for love or for the money, as I have never met anyone that came here for the mountains or the chocolate.
I came here for the peace, quiet and solitude. Of course, with the F-18s flying overhead, the shooting range in the same village, fireworks and annoying kids upstairs, I'm moving to a quieter flat with better windows on the top floor.
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